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Old 07-08-2016, 01:41
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Why bother with this if you are then going to police people's views and conversations. We know what we are watching, we're hardly expecting Aled Jones on songs of praise.
If biggins made the shower remark to Katie then it was at worse crass, but offensive ?
If he pointedly said to her " you deserve a nazi shower" or some such then that would be expressly personal and therefor offensive. But here's the rub..... Having to watch people dry humping in the sun and grabbing at their supposedly erect knobs is far more offensive to me than any opinion that anybody could ever voice. An opinion is just that and there is no need to assume that every one is being delivered as fact. Get a grip big brother..... Sanction people's actions as harshly you you do their opinions.
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:51
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Why bother with this if you are then going to police people's views and conversations. We know what we are watching, we're hardly expecting Aled Jones on songs of praise.
If biggins made the shower remark to Katie then it was at worse crass, but offensive ?
If he pointedly said to her " you deserve a nazi shower" or some such then that would be expressly personal and therefor offensive. But here's the rub..... Having to watch people dry humping in the sun and grabbing at their supposedly erect knobs is far more offensive to me than any opinion than anybody could ever voice. An opinion is just that and there is no need to assume that every one is being delivered as fact. Get a grip big brother..... Sanction people's actions as harshly you you do their opinions.
No pun intended?
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:55
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Why bother with this if you are then going to police people's views and conversations. We know what we are watching, we're hardly expecting Aled Jones on songs of praise.
If biggins made the shower remark to Katie then it was at worse crass, but offensive ?
If he pointedly said to her " you deserve a nazi shower" or some such then that would be expressly personal and therefor offensive. But here's the rub..... Having to watch people dry humping in the sun and grabbing at their supposedly erect knobs is far more offensive to me than any opinion that anybody could ever voice. An opinion is just that and there is no need to assume that every one is being delivered as fact. Get a grip big brother..... Sanction people's actions as harshly you you do their opinions.
I made the same thread earlier.
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Old 07-08-2016, 01:58
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I made the same thread earlier.
Sorry I didn't spot that....... Great minds eh?
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Old 07-08-2016, 02:09
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Why bother with this if you are then going to police people's views and conversations. We know what we are watching, we're hardly expecting Aled Jones on songs of praise.
If biggins made the shower remark to Katie then it was at worse crass, but offensive ?
If he pointedly said to her " you deserve a nazi shower" or some such then that would be expressly personal and therefor offensive. But here's the rub..... Having to watch people dry humping in the sun and grabbing at their supposedly erect knobs is far more offensive to me than any opinion that anybody could ever voice. An opinion is just that and there is no need to assume that every one is being delivered as fact. Get a grip big brother..... Sanction people's actions as harshly you you do their opinions.
The warnings are clickbait. Just to keep people watching. Something Channel 5 bought in because they have no faith in the entertainment value of their show so they have to pretend that the episode is really offensive. The thing is that when they do it for every episode it loses it's shock value, especially when the majority of shows have nothing shocking in them whatsoever.

Worth remembering that channel 4 never had any warnings before any of the Jade/Shilpa race row episodes, but that still went global, none of channel 5's fake offence has.
It's a bit pointless warning us about offensiveness and then not showing any of it.
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Old 07-08-2016, 02:22
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Sorry I didn't spot that....... Great minds eh?
No need to apologise, I was just agreeing with you.
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Old 07-08-2016, 02:33
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Why bother with this if you are then going to police people's views and conversations. We know what we are watching, we're hardly expecting Aled Jones on songs of praise.
If biggins made the shower remark to Katie then it was at worse crass, but offensive ?
If he pointedly said to her " you deserve a nazi shower" or some such then that would be expressly personal and therefor offensive. But here's the rub..... Having to watch people dry humping in the sun and grabbing at their supposedly erect knobs is far more offensive to me than any opinion that anybody could ever voice. An opinion is just that and there is no need to assume that every one is being delivered as fact. Get a grip big brother..... Sanction people's actions as harshly you you do their opinions.
I'm finding their constant warnings at the start of every segment offensive.

Ditto with those cretins lying in the garden talking about sex all the time. Can they all all be removed too?
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:22
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All TV shows have to adhere to OFCOM regulations and if they are deemed to have failed they can be cautioned, fined or even taken off the air. As a reality show BB often has content that can sail close to the wind of OFCOM regulations in terms of general offensive language, confrontation and personal opinions. That's why there is a blanket warning at the start. However, if the same person is repeatedly expressing opinions that could be deemed highly offensive by groups of people then that is a whole different ball game. The broadcaster has to take steps to protect themselves and ensure that a successful complaint to OFCOM is not made against them. IMO that is what the CBB production team have done and they were right to do it. Biggins didn't just make one remark he made three. Biggins was not just chucked out after the first remark he was warned at least twice before that he needed to rein in what he was saying but he ignored those warnings. The two instances that were shown were pretty ignorant and bigoted. The one that seems to be related to Jews hasn't been so I can only presume it is even more offensive. I BB can't show the comments he is making because they are offensive then are not representing the true Biggins and if the guy goes on an wins it and it comes out afterwards then there would be a legitimate argument that they had mislead voters. Yes, I know BB hasn't got a brilliant track record in terms of impartial edits that promote certain housemates but if they let it go with Biggins it would be up there with the worst examples in the past. Just because they haven't censured and exposed previous contestants it does not mean that it is wrong to do it in this case, just hypocritical. They have to protect their backs in terms of OFCOM complaints and that is what they have done.

BB doesn't make the regulations OFCOM does. BB has an obligation to comply with the regulations. Biggins was warned repeatedly but chose to ignore the warnings. Freedom of speech is a personal right and if you are down the pub with your mates you can be as ignorant and bigoted as you want to be. However, when your views are going out to millions of people there has to be additional censure. If you are bisexual, an aids sufferer or a Jew why should someone be allowed a public forum to spout crass, insensitive and down right uneducated opinions about subjects that may effect you deeply and personally with no come back and for a big fat fee. Yes people who are offended can turn the telly off but why should potentially thousands of people have to do that when the real solution is to take an overpaid has been loose cannon 'celebrity' with opinions from the 1980s out of the CBB house.
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:33
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BB doesn't make the regulations OFCOM does.
Ofcom have far too much unregulated power and have done for a long time, they can pick and choose when to fine shows and use it as an extortion racket. They go after small shows and impose harsh sentences on them because they know they don't have enough money to fight it and they let the huge shows, like ones owned by Simon Cowell, off with just a light slap on the wrist

It's no wonder TV is falling so far behind the internet when we have unelected moral censors like Ofcom telling us what we are allowed to see and hear as if we are children and they know best

BB and C5 are an embarrassment all of themselves. They couldn't make it more obvious that they are shit-scared of 'causing offence' and Ofcom getting involved judging by all those warnings at the end of every ad break. Heavily sanitised show where nobody is allowed to express an opinion some viewer might not like, so much for 'reality' TV
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:34
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I think they should have a swear jar. £5 for every F word and £50 for every C word which is deducted from their fee. The amount of swearing on BB is atrocious!
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:36
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All TV shows have to adhere to OFCOM regulations and if they are deemed to have failed they can be cautioned, fined or even taken off the air. As a reality show BB often has content that can sail close to the wind of OFCOM regulations in terms of general offensive language, confrontation and personal opinions. That's why there is a blanket warning at the start. However, if the same person is repeatedly expressing opinions that could be deemed highly offensive by groups of people then that is a whole different ball game. The broadcaster has to take steps to protect themselves and ensure that a successful complaint to OFCOM is not made against them. IMO that is what the CBB production team have done and they were right to do it. Biggins didn't just make one remark he made three. Biggins was not just chucked out after the first remark he was warned at least twice before that he needed to rein in what he was saying but he ignored those warnings. The two instances that were shown were pretty ignorant and bigoted. The one that seems to be related to Jews hasn't been so I can only presume it is even more offensive. I BB can't show the comments he is making because they are offensive then are not representing the true Biggins and if the guy goes on an wins it and it comes out afterwards then there would be a legitimate argument that they had mislead voters. Yes, I know BB hasn't got a brilliant track record in terms of impartial edits that promote certain housemates but if they let it go with Biggins it would be up there with the worst examples in the past. Just because they haven't censured and exposed previous contestants it does not mean that it is wrong to do it in this case, just hypocritical. They have to protect their backs in terms of OFCOM complaints and that is what they have done.

BB doesn't make the regulations OFCOM does. BB has an obligation to comply with the regulations. Biggins was warned repeatedly but chose to ignore the warnings. Freedom of speech is a personal right and if you are down the pub with your mates you can be as ignorant and bigoted as you want to be. However, when your views are going out to millions of people there has to be additional censure. If you are bisexual, an aids sufferer or a Jew why should someone be allowed a public forum to spout crass, insensitive and down right uneducated opinions about subjects that may effect you deeply and personally with no come back and for a big fat fee. Yes people who are offended can turn the telly off but why should potentially thousands of people have to do that when the real solution is to take an overpaid has been loose cannon 'celebrity' with opinions from the 1980s out of the CBB house.
That's part and parcel of freedom of speech in any democracy. I'm as irritated as the next person by crass, insensitive and uneducated opinions but once you talk about censure, you are into the area of shutting down any opinions you don't agree with.
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:38
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I think their warnings are deliberately OTT to slightly take the piss out of the fact they have to do it. It's a kind of satire.
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:41
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Ofcom have far too much unregulated power and have done for a long time, they can pick and choose when to fine shows and use it as an extortion racket. They go after small shows and impose harsh sentences on them because they know they don't have enough money to fight it and they let the huge shows, like ones owned by Simon Cowell, off with just a light slap on the wrist

It's no wonder TV is falling so far behind the internet when we have unelected moral censors like Ofcom telling us what we are allowed to see and hear as if we are children and they know best

BB and C5 are an embarrassment all of themselves. They couldn't make it more obvious that they are shit-scared of 'causing offence' and Ofcom getting involved judging by all those warnings at the end of every ad break. Heavily sanitised show where nobody is allowed to express an opinion some viewer might not like, so much for 'reality' TV
Do you honestly believe from what you have seen of what Biggins has said that this iegiitimate opinion??? I'm a for freedom of speech in debating differences of opinion but it has to be based on some sort of basis in fact. It also has to be done in an environment where people with alternative opinion have an equal platform to present their views and the CBB house is not that place.
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:43
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I think their warnings are deliberately OTT to slightly take the piss out of the fact they have to do it. It's a kind of satire.
They seem to have escalated and gone off the scale. I don't remember anything like this amount of dire warnings at the start of every segment on CBB a year or two ago.
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Old 07-08-2016, 03:47
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Do you honestly believe from what you have seen of what Biggins has said that this iegiitimate opinion??? I'm a for freedom of speech in debating differences of opinion but it has to be based on some sort of basis in fact. It also has to be done in an environment where people with alternative opinion have an equal platform to present their views and the CBB house is not that place.
I found Biggins' joke about the Holocaust crass, insensitive and unfunny myself. However that does not mean I believe he should be censored and vilified over it and certainly not by a bunch of charlatans and hypocrites like the BB producers : people have been making crass and unfunny jokes for centuries (and I don't even particularly like Biggins, I find him a bombastic oaf in the main).
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:02
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Do you honestly believe from what you have seen of what Biggins has said that this iegiitimate opinion??? I'm a for freedom of speech in debating differences of opinion but it has to be based on some sort of basis in fact.
This doesn't make any sense, what are you trying to say here?

It also has to be done in an environment where people with alternative opinion have an equal platform to present their views and the CBB house is not that place.
Why isn't CBB the place? Biggins states his opinions on the show and then his housemates and the viewing public can choose to agree or disagree, this is how it should work, without the censorship. Only being able to share your opinions in 'designated environments' sounds too much like that 'safe space' bullshit you find at ultra-lefty universities which is just another way of shutting down free speech
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:05
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That's part and parcel of freedom of speech in any democracy. I'm as irritated as the next person by crass, insensitive and uneducated opinions but once you talk about censure, you are into the area of shutting down any opinions you don't agree with.
There is and should be a difference between personal opinion and public opinion. Personal opinion is what you say at work, home and in a social setting with your mates and anything goes. You may piss off a few people and lose a few Facebook friends but it's all contained to a small group of people. Public opinion is what goes out to all and sundry, potentially to millions of people. IMO there has to be additional filters on this because you are broadcasting your views to people you don't know how much offense your comments may cause and also in the realm of reality TV it's not a level playing field. If it's a legitimate public debate then there are people on both sides who are equipped with the information to put up a proper argument for their opinion and they each have an equal opportunity to do so. That's not the case in CBB, Biggins has had the opportunity to air opinions that are not shared by a lot of people but there has been no real come back to that because the other housemates either don't have the information to form a counter argument or the personal dynamics mean they don't want to challenge him. Personally I think that is a dangerous precedent because to some people watching who don't see a counter argument they may take what Biggins has said as fact. Its freedom of speech for Biggins but not freedom of speech for those who may feel differently. Not a level playing field.
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:06
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Ofcom have far too much unregulated power and have done for a long time, they can pick and choose when to fine shows and use it as an extortion racket. They go after small shows and impose harsh sentences on them because they know they don't have enough money to fight it and they let the huge shows, like ones owned by Simon Cowell, off with just a light slap on the wrist

It's no wonder TV is falling so far behind the internet when we have unelected moral censors like Ofcom telling us what we are allowed to see and hear as if we are children and they know best

BB and C5 are an embarrassment all of themselves. They couldn't make it more obvious that they are shit-scared of 'causing offence' and Ofcom getting involved judging by all those warnings at the end of every ad break. Heavily sanitised show where nobody is allowed to express an opinion some viewer might not like, so much for 'reality' TV
And who are these people working for Ofcom that makes them arbiters of the UKs morals ? Who picks them and on what grounds can they be fired ? Do you have to be extremely moral to work in Ofcom ?
How can I get a job there ?
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:07
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Because even with the warning people are still sobbing to Ofcom. BB get complaints if a certain twist doesn't favour a particular HM. There is no point in them trying to appease the audience because theres always some petty bullshit they want to complain about
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:28
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And who are these people working for Ofcom that makes them arbiters of the UKs morals ? Who picks them and on what grounds can they be fired ? Do you have to be extremely moral to work in Ofcom ?
How can I get a job there ?
Check Ofcom's website, I'm sure it has a list of their staff. Ofcom appoint their own staff which is another example of their bias. I assume the government can fire Ofcom staff but they never do because Ofcom are in the government's pocket, Ofcom have zero independent oversight. Yes, 'morals' and a love of censorship is needed to work as a moral censor. You can get a job there by being friends with someone who already works there
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Old 07-08-2016, 04:33
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There is and should be a difference between personal opinion and public opinion. Personal opinion is what you say at work, home and in a social setting with your mates and anything goes. You may piss off a few people and lose a few Facebook friends but it's all contained to a small group of people. Public opinion is what goes out to all and sundry, potentially to millions of people. IMO there has to be additional filters on this because you are broadcasting your views to people you don't know how much offense your comments may cause and also in the realm of reality TV it's not a level playing field. If it's a legitimate public debate then there are people on both sides who are equipped with the information to put up a proper argument for their opinion and they each have an equal opportunity to do so. That's not the case in CBB, Biggins has had the opportunity to air opinions that are not shared by a lot of people but there has been no real come back to that because the other housemates either don't have the information to form a counter argument or the personal dynamics mean they don't want to challenge him. Personally I think that is a dangerous precedent because to some people watching who don't see a counter argument they may take what Biggins has said as fact. Its freedom of speech for Biggins but not freedom of speech for those who may feel differently. Not a level playing field.
Totally agree.
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Old 08-08-2016, 00:06
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I found Biggins' joke about the Holocaust crass, insensitive and unfunny myself. However that does not mean I believe he should be censored and vilified over it and certainly not by a bunch of charlatans and hypocrites like the BB producers : people have been making crass and unfunny jokes for centuries (and I don't even particularly like Biggins, I find him a bombastic oaf in the main).
This pretty much sums things up for me.
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Old 08-08-2016, 00:12
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It's just part of the sensationalism that they use now, ejections could even be seen as part of that too. Though spitting in food for me is too much.
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Old 08-08-2016, 00:15
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It's just part of the sensationalism that they use now, ejections could even be seen as part of that too. Though spitting in food for me is too much.
It's too much for most people.... I couldn't believe that others witnessed it and not one thought to put her straight. Manky bitch!
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Old 08-08-2016, 01:28
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We've been told we would have been offended by Biggin's shower comment but we have been denied the proper context in which it was said, how the housemates reacted and who may have challenged it. It's actually quite insulting to the audience.

No point putting the warnings if they're selective with what offensive things they show or indeed what things Endemol feel we would be offended by. Right back to the days of Shilpa Shetty the greatest offence caused was actually how BB was, or wasn't, handling it.

Biggins has gone but did any of us really feel that comfortable with tonight's show and the manner in which Bear spoke to Frankie or Lewis handled Heavy D?

I'm mature enough to see Biggins make a prat of himself with his chip on shoulder dislike of bisexuals and dismiss it as it doesn't dominate the entire show. The antagonism from Bear and Lewis is dominating the show and the producers are allowing this to continue and presenting it as entertainment.
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