The whole series is full f double standards. They should either show everything that warrants a warning or not show it at all. Not pick and choose what gets aired. We pay the fees. We should decided 
Why is it ok to air stuff that causes offence to bisexuals, but not jews?
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Originally Posted by karl_kennedy:
“Indeed, a detail that some seem happy to overlook as long as it fits their agenda....”
“Indeed, a detail that some seem happy to overlook as long as it fits their agenda....”
Its classed as the same thing in those countries though so i am not sure what you mean about people's agendas.
There's always a huge amount of hypocrisy with prejudice. Most people are prejudiced in some way but they'll turn a blind eye to their own scapegoats while demanding justice for others. CH5 are much the same.
Originally Posted by Davidsaid:
“Its classed as the same thing in those countries though so i am not sure what you mean about people's agendas.”
“Its classed as the same thing in those countries though so i am not sure what you mean about people's agendas.”
Absolutely, they don't go "Oh ok, you sleep with members of the opposite sex too - so we won't behead or stone you to death then"
I'm shocked at how many people are just saying it's ok to bash whole sections of society because it's an opinion... Then when I give my opinion that as a bisexual woman it's not ok to bash me for my sexual preferences, I get bashed... There seems to be this attitude that bisexuality's some vague, in-between, Not-Really-A-Proper-Sexuality anyway... Crazy.
having a go at the bisexuals is well down the pecking order of nasty prejudice compared to anti-semitism in the BB house, same as women, you can pretty much say what you like about women and not get thrown out, you can even say stuff about epilators and vaginas 
Originally Posted by Pinglet78:
“Absolutely, they don't go "Oh ok, you sleep with members of the opposite sex too - so we won't behead or stone you to death then"
I'm shocked at how many people are just saying it's ok to bash whole sections of society because it's an opinion... Then when I give my opinion that as a bisexual woman it's not ok to bash me for my sexual preferences, I get bashed... There seems to be this attitude that bisexuality's some vague, in-between, Not-Really-A-Proper-Sexuality anyway... Crazy.”
“Absolutely, they don't go "Oh ok, you sleep with members of the opposite sex too - so we won't behead or stone you to death then"
I'm shocked at how many people are just saying it's ok to bash whole sections of society because it's an opinion... Then when I give my opinion that as a bisexual woman it's not ok to bash me for my sexual preferences, I get bashed... There seems to be this attitude that bisexuality's some vague, in-between, Not-Really-A-Proper-Sexuality anyway... Crazy.”
Biggins seems to think so, I wonder what he'll blame on the bisexuals next, they are coming over here and nicking his panto jobs?
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“Biggins seems to think so, I wonder what he'll blame on the bisexuals next, they are coming over here and nicking his panto jobs?”
“Biggins seems to think so, I wonder what he'll blame on the bisexuals next, they are coming over here and nicking his panto jobs?
”
Its behind you........ and in front of you.
Originally Posted by karl_kennedy:
“Indeed, a detail that some seem happy to overlook as long as it fits their agenda....”
“Indeed, a detail that some seem happy to overlook as long as it fits their agenda....”
Not true, do you really think the lawmakers in countries which have the death penalty for acts of homosexuality turn around and say, ok, we know you slept with a man but we're gonna turn a blind eye because we know you sleep with women too?
Originally Posted by Goggle girl:
“According to Biggins, he thinks that CBB may have been trying to protect his career by not airing it.”
“According to Biggins, he thinks that CBB may have been trying to protect his career by not airing it.”
The biggest shock in amongst all this is that Biggins still actually had a career to protect.
Originally Posted by PabloJ:
“[1] Bisexuality is a form of behavior, not an ethnicity or gender.
People who like having sex with men & women are no more a "community", a "minority" or an "identity" than people who like both Star Trek and Star Wars.
[2] There isn't thousands of years of "anti-bisexual" persecution and slaughter culminating in the single worst genocide in humanity's history - the holocaust. There also isn't ongoing hate-speech and conspiracy theories against bisexuals by the Far Right, the Militant Left and Radical Muslims.”
“[1] Bisexuality is a form of behavior, not an ethnicity or gender.
People who like having sex with men & women are no more a "community", a "minority" or an "identity" than people who like both Star Trek and Star Wars.
[2] There isn't thousands of years of "anti-bisexual" persecution and slaughter culminating in the single worst genocide in humanity's history - the holocaust. There also isn't ongoing hate-speech and conspiracy theories against bisexuals by the Far Right, the Militant Left and Radical Muslims.”
Bisexuality is an orientation actually.
And the LGBT group is a community that they belong to.
Originally Posted by CLL Dodge:
“But the Jewish comment was a bad joke.
The 2nd bisexual comment was an accusation of causing continuing mass deaths.”
“But the Jewish comment was a bad joke.
The 2nd bisexual comment was an accusation of causing continuing mass deaths.”
I suspect the Jewish comment was just a bad joke, because one of his very best friends is Jewish, Joan Collins.
Originally Posted by Davidsaid:
“But gays and bisexuals are being killed all over the world for being gay or bisexual.
I dont think jews are to the same extent.
Take history out of the equation for a moment then tell me why, in this day and age it is ok to show someone on tv persecuting one but not the other.”
“But gays and bisexuals are being killed all over the world for being gay or bisexual.
I dont think jews are to the same extent.
Take history out of the equation for a moment then tell me why, in this day and age it is ok to show someone on tv persecuting one but not the other.”
I don't think it is possible to take history (and still relatively recent history) out of the equation in this case.
With the sheer number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust, chances are that virtually every Jew alive now, at least if of Western European descent, had a relative affected. Either they were sent to a concentration camp and survived, or were executed, or they spent years in hiding or had to flee their country of birth to start again.
Therefore, making a comment, even one made in gest without intending to hurt, which specifically references the way these executions were carried out is going to be offensive and stir up feelings of horror, anger, upset, grief or even fear.
Genuinely, if your Gran or Great Gran had been murdered in such a way, would you take the attitude of 'taking history out of it'?
By the way, Jews are still very much being persecuted or murdered in many places, including the Middle East. Though it has to be said, they do their fair share of persecuting and murdering Muslims back over there.
Whilst of course there is hate crime against the LGBT community in all countries and some do still have the death penalty and that is in no way acceptable and should be fought against, it is not, as far as I'm aware, being carried out in a genocide way as it was in Nazi Germany and anywhere they occupied.
Of course, it is worth remembering that Jews were not the only people they persecuted, they also hated homosexuals, gypsies and the disabled. But they weren't as successful in that area, partly because they weren't as easy to identify as Jews.
Originally Posted by Pinglet78:
“Absolutely, they don't go "Oh ok, you sleep with members of the opposite sex too - so we won't behead or stone you to death then"
I'm shocked at how many people are just saying it's ok to bash whole sections of society because it's an opinion... Then when I give my opinion that as a bisexual woman it's not ok to bash me for my sexual preferences, I get bashed... There seems to be this attitude that bisexuality's some vague, in-between, Not-Really-A-Proper-Sexuality anyway... Crazy.”
“Absolutely, they don't go "Oh ok, you sleep with members of the opposite sex too - so we won't behead or stone you to death then"
I'm shocked at how many people are just saying it's ok to bash whole sections of society because it's an opinion... Then when I give my opinion that as a bisexual woman it's not ok to bash me for my sexual preferences, I get bashed... There seems to be this attitude that bisexuality's some vague, in-between, Not-Really-A-Proper-Sexuality anyway... Crazy.”
I do absolutely agree with you. There does seem to be this awful attitude, as summed up by Biggins and Renee, that bi-sexuality is a lifestyle choice taken either because people want to have their cake and eat it or because they are scared to 'properly' come out and they are letting the Gay community down by behaving this way.
It is ignorant and bigoted and I know from 2 friends of mine who are bi-sexual how hurtful and isolating they find it.
Originally Posted by PabloJ:
“^They're being killed for being gay... not because they have sex with the opposite gender too.
As of 2016, there are exactly 10 countries which have the Death Penalty simply for being gay. All 10 use Islamic law (sharia) which only has stipulations against homosexual behavior. There are no stipulations about those who 'swing both ways'.”
“^They're being killed for being gay... not because they have sex with the opposite gender too.
As of 2016, there are exactly 10 countries which have the Death Penalty simply for being gay. All 10 use Islamic law (sharia) which only has stipulations against homosexual behavior. There are no stipulations about those who 'swing both ways'.”
There are a lot of countries too i.e. Uganda, they used to have the death penalty but changed it to life in prison for being homosexual. Other countries where it's not illegal but you will be killed if found out you are gay. Not all of them have Sharia law, or are Muslim countries.
From experinces of what happened in the football world over the last couple of years i would think that some sponsors do not play around when it comes to any negitive talks about Jews or anything to do with anti-semitism. I don't blame Ch5 for protecting their earning potential.
But i have to be careful mentioning that as apparently some people claim that could also be close to the wind of "stereotyping".
But i have to be careful mentioning that as apparently some people claim that could also be close to the wind of "stereotyping".
Originally Posted by PabloJ:
“[1] Bisexuality is a form of behavior, not an ethnicity or gender.
People who like having sex with men & women are no more a "community", a "minority" or an "identity" than people who like both Star Trek and Star Wars.
[2] There isn't thousands of years of "anti-bisexual" persecution and slaughter culminating in the single worst genocide in humanity's history - the holocaust. There also isn't ongoing hate-speech and conspiracy theories against bisexuals by the Far Right, the Militant Left and Radical Muslims.”
“[1] Bisexuality is a form of behavior, not an ethnicity or gender.
People who like having sex with men & women are no more a "community", a "minority" or an "identity" than people who like both Star Trek and Star Wars.
[2] There isn't thousands of years of "anti-bisexual" persecution and slaughter culminating in the single worst genocide in humanity's history - the holocaust. There also isn't ongoing hate-speech and conspiracy theories against bisexuals by the Far Right, the Militant Left and Radical Muslims.”
Good posting
Originally Posted by Davidsaid:
“But gays and bisexuals are being killed all over the world for being gay or bisexual.
.”
“But gays and bisexuals are being killed all over the world for being gay or bisexual.
.”
People are killed for homosexual relations.
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Of course, it is worth remembering that Jews were not the only people they persecuted, they also hated homosexuals, gypsies and the disabled. But they weren't as successful in that area, partly because they weren't as easy to identify as Jews.”
“Of course, it is worth remembering that Jews were not the only people they persecuted, they also hated homosexuals, gypsies and the disabled. But they weren't as successful in that area, partly because they weren't as easy to identify as Jews.”
I think they considered themselves quite successful. Very many who weren't Jewish were also killed, there can be various numbers on the internet but even those aiming for lower figures say 5 million. It depends whether people only include those sent to concentration camps as well. It included many different groups of people, much more than you list.
Because some people you are allowed to offend, others not so much.
White people for example you are free to say whatever you want about them unchallenged.
Apparently there is some leeway as to what you can say about bisexuals as well. That said it's clearly not a free for all as Biggins was warned about his comments.
Blacks and gays, not so much. If you try to criticise people from either of these backgrounds on tv you are obligated to be outnumbered by social justice warriors telling you how bigoted you are.
Technically it's allowed but only if presented with heavy handed opposition.
And finally there are the Jews who cannot be criticised in any way shape or form in mainstream media.
It doesn't matter if there are a thousand zionists and sjw's poised to counter your arguments.
What is not allowed is not allowed.
White people for example you are free to say whatever you want about them unchallenged.
Apparently there is some leeway as to what you can say about bisexuals as well. That said it's clearly not a free for all as Biggins was warned about his comments.
Blacks and gays, not so much. If you try to criticise people from either of these backgrounds on tv you are obligated to be outnumbered by social justice warriors telling you how bigoted you are.
Technically it's allowed but only if presented with heavy handed opposition.
And finally there are the Jews who cannot be criticised in any way shape or form in mainstream media.
It doesn't matter if there are a thousand zionists and sjw's poised to counter your arguments.
What is not allowed is not allowed.
Originally Posted by Davidsaid:
“I am a bit wary posting this, but i find it pretty insulting that bb aired two things that were negative towards bisexuals yet they did not air the thing about jews.
Why do you think this is, and is it right that the two should be differentiated against?
In my opinion both should have been shown because biggins was not ejected on monday for saying whatever it was about jews, so it must not have been offensive enough to merit an ejection..”
“I am a bit wary posting this, but i find it pretty insulting that bb aired two things that were negative towards bisexuals yet they did not air the thing about jews.
Why do you think this is, and is it right that the two should be differentiated against?
In my opinion both should have been shown because biggins was not ejected on monday for saying whatever it was about jews, so it must not have been offensive enough to merit an ejection..”
They don't just eject people straightaway they need to get the information first.
Originally Posted by starry:
“I think they considered themselves quite successful. Very many who weren't Jewish were also killed, there can be various numbers on the internet but even those aiming for lower figures say 5 million. It depends whether people only include those sent to concentration camps as well. It included many different groups of people, much more than you list.”
“I think they considered themselves quite successful. Very many who weren't Jewish were also killed, there can be various numbers on the internet but even those aiming for lower figures say 5 million. It depends whether people only include those sent to concentration camps as well. It included many different groups of people, much more than you list.”
Yes but the ultimate aim of the Nazis was to exterminate all jews and they very nearly succeeded
Originally Posted by starry:
“I think they considered themselves quite successful. Very many who weren't Jewish were also killed, there can be various numbers on the internet but even those aiming for lower figures say 5 million. It depends whether people only include those sent to concentration camps as well. It included many different groups of people, much more than you list.”
“I think they considered themselves quite successful. Very many who weren't Jewish were also killed, there can be various numbers on the internet but even those aiming for lower figures say 5 million. It depends whether people only include those sent to concentration camps as well. It included many different groups of people, much more than you list.”
Yes I know it does. I should have made it clearer that I was naming only some of the other people the Nazis targeted alongside Jews although i do think that Jews were their primary target. Buut the fact that it wasn't Jews alone, in some ways makes any reference to the death chambers even worse re them not allowing it to be shown for fear of causing offence - it was not just Jews that were affected, therefore not just Jews that would be offended. Though that said, i would find it offensive even if it was 'just' Jews as a Gentile. I would find any joke about mass extermination of any race or group offensive, whether I am part of them or not.
I did also mean to make clear (but probably wasn't) that i wasn't just referring to people that were sent to concentration camps, it's almost impossible to say how many people died whilst in hiding or trying to flee persecution, plus of course the millions that died around the World fighting to stop it although most didn't know the full horror of it at the time and it was more about self protection from Invasion.
That's why you can't really take the history out of it when discussing the matter in my opinion
Originally Posted by chameleon212:
“Because some people you are allowed to offend, others not so much.
White people for example you are free to say whatever you want about them unchallenged.
Apparently there is some leeway as to what you can say about bisexuals as well. That said it's clearly not a free for all as Biggins was warned about his comments.
Blacks and gays, not so much. If you try to criticise people from either of these backgrounds on tv you are obligated to be outnumbered by social justice warriors telling you how bigoted you are.
Technically it's allowed but only if presented with heavy handed opposition.
And finally there are the Jews who cannot be criticised in any way shape or form in mainstream media.
It doesn't matter if there are a thousand zionists and sjw's poised to counter your arguments.
What is not allowed is not allowed.”
“Because some people you are allowed to offend, others not so much.
White people for example you are free to say whatever you want about them unchallenged.
Apparently there is some leeway as to what you can say about bisexuals as well. That said it's clearly not a free for all as Biggins was warned about his comments.
Blacks and gays, not so much. If you try to criticise people from either of these backgrounds on tv you are obligated to be outnumbered by social justice warriors telling you how bigoted you are.
Technically it's allowed but only if presented with heavy handed opposition.
And finally there are the Jews who cannot be criticised in any way shape or form in mainstream media.
It doesn't matter if there are a thousand zionists and sjw's poised to counter your arguments.
What is not allowed is not allowed.”
Agreed.
Originally Posted by PabloJ:
“[1] Bisexuality is a form of behavior, not an ethnicity or gender.
People who like having sex with men & women are no more a "community", a "minority" or an "identity" than people who like both Star Trek and Star Wars.
[2] There isn't thousands of years of "anti-bisexual" persecution and slaughter culminating in the single worst genocide in humanity's history - the holocaust. There also isn't ongoing hate-speech and conspiracy theories against bisexuals by the Far Right, the Militant Left and Radical Muslims.”
“[1] Bisexuality is a form of behavior, not an ethnicity or gender.
People who like having sex with men & women are no more a "community", a "minority" or an "identity" than people who like both Star Trek and Star Wars.
[2] There isn't thousands of years of "anti-bisexual" persecution and slaughter culminating in the single worst genocide in humanity's history - the holocaust. There also isn't ongoing hate-speech and conspiracy theories against bisexuals by the Far Right, the Militant Left and Radical Muslims.”
And your point? LGBT community have less right to sympathy because they are not a race or gender? Really? That's bull. CBB cannot pick and choose which is more offensive, like they pick and choose who gets evicted. Also , you are saying Judaism is a race. Race is a genetic distinction and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. Being Jewish is a religion, but is it a race? No.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“Yes but the ultimate aim of the Nazis was to exterminate all jews and they very nearly succeeded”
“Yes but the ultimate aim of the Nazis was to exterminate all jews and they very nearly succeeded
”
They didn't conquer the world so they couldn't really come as close as you say. And if they could they would have killed all disabled people, gays and some other groups too.
The truth to me is that ethnicity as defined by both Nazis and Jewish people is surely false anyway, we all came from Africa originally and are simply the same species. All kinds of people have used claims of racial difference to stress superiority, even some of those that call themselves Jewish in the past. It's better when people put aside the fear of difference, however some political/religious power holders see that as undermining their own status.
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