^Oh dear... Difficult to know where to begin in the face of such profound ignorance.

[1] Being Jewish is both an ethnicity AND a religion.
In fact, there are as many Jews who are Atheist / Non-religious as those who practice Judaism.

[2] Where did I mention lesbian, gay or transgender? I specifically talked about individuals who are bisexual.
You're conflating things and getting muddled.

I'm Jewish and would be fine if the comment was shown, we know something was said and I understand that it was made as a joke, even if it is in bad taste. As people have said though, the nazis did not only target Jews and it is quite offensive to various groups in society. I think they have to be careful because of ofcon and legal issues.

As people pointed out, jokes are made about Jews on family guy and so on (along with other groups) and that's part of edgy humour. I don't get offended by it, but a joke about gas chambers etc is a bit extreme.

Agreed, But just to be clear, (in case anyone is thinking it) it isn't like some Jewish conspiracy thing. Literally I think its simply because CH5/BB are total *****holes and have no idea what they are doing.

Buenos dias. Don't call me ignorant because I don't agree with you. I read your post about bisexuals and you said that bisexuals do not get persecuted. Sharia law did not mention bisexuals, no but bisexuals sleep with men - whether they are gay or bisexual is not relevant when somebody has been caught and stoned to death. If a bisexual is caught with a man he does not get let off because he sleeps with women, also. I am not confuddled. My reason for bringing up lesbian and transsexuals is because they too are part of the LGBT community, along with gays and bisexuals. They are not seperate. You said they are a behaviour and a community, so therefore that applies to the others, also. You said bisexuals do not get persecuted but you omitted lesbian and transgender. . No, the LGBT community have not been part of something as huge as the holocaust, it was mass genocide. Nobody is saying that. Does it have to be, well this group are worse off than this group so we will ignore them? People are being persecuted in the Middle East and that is a fact, there is a prejudice against the LGBT community to this day, that is a fact. And so, I do not think that BB should have omitted the jewish joke and aired the other comments and they should be consistent. I do not think Biggins should have been ejected, either.

The race issue is a huge debate, and a lot of jewish people would say they do not refer to themselves as a race. Myself included. Yes, there is a biological link, I am not denying that BUT, what makes me Jewish is more than that. to quote Ostrer, “[T]here is no rigorous genetic test for Jewishness, nor would the geneticists who have conducted studies in recent generations propose that one should be created,” Ostrer writes. “Moreover, such a test would not replace the religious definition of who is a Jew.” The Israeli Law of Return, for example, doesn’t have a genetic requirement.

And even if such a test existed, it would need constant updating. Because even though Jews have maintained certain common genetic traits for millennia, those traits are likely to change at a rapid pace in the coming years. Jews are intermarrying at increasing rates. One of the genetic studies Ostrer quotes found that about 30 to 50 percent of couples that include Jews are now interfaith, compared to one in 200 couples per generation, on average, over much of human history. And people with a predilection for diseases that might have killed them before they passed on their genes are living longer, thus keeping certain traits in the Jewish gene pool at higher rates than would be expected from natural selection over time. Today’s Jews “are making spousal choices and using genetic information for disease treatment, disease prevention, and embryo selection to determine who future Jews will be,” Ostrer writes.

Jewish genetics, in other words, will change over time just as Judaism’s spirituality, social values, and culture have changed over the centuries. All of those characteristics help answer the question of what makes someone Jewish, but what made someone Jewish a thousand or even a hundred years ago is likely not how someone asking that question in a hundred years will answer it. Ostrer quotes Albert Einstein, who said in 1955 that his “relationship to the Jewish people has become my strongest human tie.” He also wrote: “In the philosophical sense there is, in my opinion, no specific Jewish outlook.”

This guy Ostrer interests me. I'm going to read up on him.

Thanks.

Yes, he is interesting. Well, he basically says there is a biological basis for Jewishness but he is nuanced, which I like. But like all researchers, there are ardent critics!

I was born an Italian Roman Catholic, in Italy where I grew up. I converted and married a Jewish Rabbi. His family are holocaust survivors from his mothers side. She cant watch holocaust or certain WW2 documentaries because of how many of her family died in the holocaust so to her it would have been incredibly upsetting and offensive. I believe she would have that right to be upset.
Judaism is my faith not my race.
My sexuality is bi sexual.
Both of these things are part of me but by no means define me.

I just think its sad we are arguing over who has more to be outraged at. When both are wrong. One is worse than the other so the other is less? Is that seriously were we are now?

I agree with you and I was not saying what is better than the other, I was trying to argue your point, maybe you read it and it did not seem clear , but that is what I meant. The same with race. I guess it depends on each person you speak to, we all define who we are as individuals. I know some who regard it as a race, and some who do not. And sure, I should have said, I am talking about myself here, so I take that one on the chin. Well, the second point is that the poster mentioned people not being persecuted for being bisexual, but for the gay aspect of their relationship, which I also understand, but do we need to be technical where prejudice is concerned? He then called me ignorant. I suppose I can understand that, having challenged him first, but nowhere did I call him any names. I am fiercely protective of my sister, who is bisexual . And she has experienced hate where she worked because of who she was dating and it was a very nasty time for her. My point is that no, it was not the holocaust, no she did not get stoned, but hate is hate, and being harassed at your own workplace because of who you are dating is hate and she suffered the mental health consequences because of that. At no point did anyone say, well you date men also so I will give you a free pass. I did not say that one is less sad than the other. I don't know if that point came across, but it was there amongst the overly passionate speech. Thanks for your input

Well posted


Nobody is killed for being bi-sexual, They are killed for homosexual behaviour.
You cannot be serious

They're not given a free pass for sleeping with the opposite sex, though.

Alice Roberts would disagree. Next to The Incredible Human Journey book.

http://www.alice-roberts.co.uk/books.html

Bisexuality includes homosexual behaviour.

Exactly.

But it's only the homosexual behaviour they are persecuted for.

Exactly that. It is not separate, they are part of the same community. Hate is hate. I did not know we had to divide hate up into groups, where one is less important than the other.

No I see what your saying. I have experienced prejudice from both the gay and straight community for being bi. Some are surprised I am faithful in my marriage, some say I am in the closet.
However I have experienced outright hatred for being Jewish. Someone held a knife to my husbands throat while accusing him of killing Jesus! We have security for Shabbat on the advice of the police. But his position means we are "obvious" Jews so I suppose we would experience some of that. But scary to think that happened in the UK.

Now there has never been a holocaust on the scale that killed so many Jews not just in WW2 but other times when Jews were slaughtered in history, like there has on any other community but that doesn't mean either is acceptable.

Lets say it is less (I am saying it is but for the sake of argument). I give this example a lot. 2 men are in hospital. One man has lost both his legs while the other has only lost 1. I am sure it is of no comfort to the man who has only lost 1 that its just 1. That other man having lost 2 legs doesn't mean his 1 leg loss hurts any less.

But people who aren't straight do face hate that's very true. Bi people even more so in some ways as for some of us lots from both communities wont accept us.
Like you said hate is hate. Doesn't matter who its against its wrong period. No point arguing who has more reason to be offended. People need to stop worrying about what race, sexuality,faith, disability etc. Hate is hate as bigots are bigots.