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Old 07-08-2016, 19:24
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you can still verbally abuse someone in BB and get away with it , as long as you don't use certain words which pc deems 'offensive' .
Do you have a copy of this list of offenses? Or is it just a family oral tradition?
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:25
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You actually think that Biggins maliciously intended to upset her? Really?!
Who the hell thinks making a joke about being sent to the showers to a Jewish person is funny?

Of course it's bloody malicious at the very least.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:27
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I've had personal experiences of being in a workplaces where we've likened the place to a nazi regime, or taken the mickey out of the boss for not being there because they're busy putting their jackboots on. Everyone got it was a joke.
Including the Jews? I'm guessing there weren't any, and I'm hoping that if there were, you wouldn't have made a joke like that in front of them.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:29
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Who the hell thinks making a joke about being sent to the showers to a Jewish person is funny?

Of course it's bloody malicious at the very least.
You often find one way they try to justify saying something offensive is to say "It was just a joke"

While I'm not saying Biggins is a bully you find in BB and real life some of the most nasty people say stuff to intentionally upset or hurt someone and then claim it was a joke.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:32
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Offence on behalf of someone who is not offended is pointless. If Katie and Biggins laughed about thiss joke together then who is anyone else to be offended on her behalf. If she was and he apologised and she felt better and decided to move on, why can't people not involved. Interesting that nobody in the house was up in arms but people who werent there are hysterical.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:33
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You often find one way they try to justify saying something offensive is to say "It was just a joke"

While I'm not saying Biggins is a bully you find in BB and real life some of the most nasty people say stuff to intentionally upset or hurt someone and then claim it was a joke.
I agree.

It's then implied that the person on the receiving end is in the wrong for not laughing.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:37
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Who the hell thinks making a joke about being sent to the showers to a Jewish person is funny?

Of course it's bloody malicious at the very least.
As a joke, I thought it was crass and unfunny and he was deservedly warned over it. But I certainly wouldn't eject him from the house over it.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:42
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Offence on behalf of someone who is not offended is pointless. If Katie and Biggins laughed about thiss joke together then who is anyone else to be offended on her behalf. If she was and he apologised and she felt better and decided to move on, why can't people not involved. Interesting that nobody in the house was up in arms but people who werent there are hysterical.
What about other Jewish people who may have beem offended about the joke just because it was directed at them does not mean it wasn't offensive.

The Anti Bisexual stuff he said wasn't directed at anyone in the house or any one Bisexual person doesn't mean it wasn't offensive.

Plus Katie may have just said she was OK with it for a quiet life she knows how popular Biggins is (maybe was) in the UK and thought going against him would make her hated.


I would point out I was a Biggins fan I have been all my life snd I wanted him to win CBB one of my very very few nitpicks with Porridge was I thought he wasn't in it enough but he was in the wrong here.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:03
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What about other Jewish people who may have beem offended about the joke just because it was directed at them does not mean it wasn't offensive.

The Anti Bisexual stuff he said wasn't directed at anyone in the house or any one Bisexual person doesn't mean it wasn't offensive.

Plus Katie may have just said she was OK with it for a quiet life she knows how popular Biggins is (maybe was) in the UK and thought going against him would make her hated.


I would point out I was a Biggins fan I have been all my life snd I wanted him to win CBB one of my very very few nitpicks with Porridge was I thought he wasn't in it enough but he was in the wrong here.
All Jewish people wouldn't be offended though. Some would. All bisexuals are not up in arms either. So, where is the line to be drawn. Particularly in relation to big brother. Are people with opinions and a sense of humour not to be booked in future? Im guessing that talking about anything that's not related to sex is to be banned in case people are offended.

Things have gone on in that house and been shown on TV this series that zre far worse than anything said by Biggins,i n my opinion. Bear drawing a penis next to Aubrey's name in nominations was vile. The shouting out about tits in the "interview" with James was disgusting. The whole lack of civility from that reality lot is more offensive than Biggins having what he considers to be a joke.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:08
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Including the Jews? I'm guessing there weren't any, and I'm hoping that if there were, you wouldn't have made a joke like that in front of them.
I think they should stop teaching all history in schools and showing documentaries just in case someone Jewish finds out what happened you know... back then. Keeping it in code, thanks the lord that nobody else died back in the old days when that guy with that moustache (not Super Mario, the other one) acted like a complete rotter.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:13
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As a joke, I thought it was crass and unfunny and he was deservedly warned over it. But I certainly wouldn't eject him from the house over it.
He was given 3 chances to stop. He didn't

Like it or not he knew what he was signing up for and broke them despite being warned 3 times.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:19
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Who the hell thinks making a joke about being sent to the showers to a Jewish person is funny?

Of course it's bloody malicious at the very least.
Have you never had banter with friends? I'm guessing not
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:24
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It's just banter. People I've known a week should just accept my jokes about AIDS caused by men unhappily married to women and cleverly making light of my great grandmother fleeing for her life from Poland.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:35
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I think they should stop teaching all history in schools and showing documentaries ....
No you don't. Stop being silly.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:45
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Have you never had banter with friends? I'm guessing not
I have plenty of banter thanks but thankfully telling Jewish people they'll be sent to the shower isn't most decent people's idea of banter.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:46
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It's just banter. People I've known a week should just accept my jokes about AIDS caused by men unhappily married to women and cleverly making light of my great grandmother fleeing for her life from Poland.
Exactly and don't forget it's your fault if you don't find it funny.
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Old 07-08-2016, 20:56
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He was given 3 chances to stop. He didn't

Like it or not he knew what he was signing up for and broke them despite being warned 3 times.
To stop what though? It's not as if he was consciously thinking "I'm going to say something controversial now, even though it may get me into trouble with the producers". As far as he is concerned, he was just nattering away.

It's very hard to second guess what the nuts up in the control tower are going to find offensive. Given the amount of warnings they're handing out these days, it seems every series from now on is going to have HMs ejected for expressing an opinion about anything controversial.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:39
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It's just banter. People I've known a week should just accept my jokes about AIDS caused by men unhappily married to women and cleverly making light of my great grandmother fleeing for her life from Poland.
I have plenty of banter thanks but thankfully telling Jewish people they'll be sent to the shower isn't most decent people's idea of banter.
The Big Brother house is the perfect environment to exchange conflicting ideas. If offensive opinions are not heard, how can they be countered? The censoring of speech, under the guise of sensitivity to 'feelings', infantilizes conversation.

In the case of Nazi joke - do you seriously believe that, to satiate his need to inflict maximum trauma & flaunt his seething contempt for Katie, he chose to reference the holocaust? It was, obviously, a bad gag. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:47
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The Big Brother house is the perfect environment to exchange conflicting ideas. If offensive opinions are not heard, how can they be countered? The censoring of speech, under the guise of sensitivity to 'feelings', infantilizes conversation.

In the case of Nazi joke - do you seriously believe that, to satiate his need to inflict maximum trauma & flaunt his seething contempt for Katie, he chose to reference the holocaust? It was, obviously, a bad gag. Nothing more, nothing less.
I agree and find it infuriaing that conversation is always cut short so as to look at drunk !people squaring up to each other and slavering over each other.
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Old 08-08-2016, 17:47
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I didn't understand what he meant either and thought it was all a fuss over his bisexual opinions, It completely went over my head and
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Old 08-08-2016, 17:57
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Political correctness is about awareness as much as respect.

I think the reason a lot of people have a problem with it is not so much that they want to offend or hurt, more that they're just not aware of why something they see as reasonable - harmless even - may be very offensive to another person, hence the up-in-arms, 'free speech!!!' response when someone takes offence.

PC is most of all about education.
Spot on
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Old 08-08-2016, 18:09
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Clint Eastwood got in trouble lately for speaking about the pc world
It's never ending . People take one thing and stretch it into something else
People can't say anything anymore or joke .
But biggins said a lot of other stuff .so he deserves to get the chop..
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Old 08-08-2016, 18:20
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It seems to me that there's only ONE reason you would say to a Jew "You'd better be careful, or they'll take you to the showers".

If he'd said that to, say, Emma Willis she'd be puzzled as to what he was on about. Saying it to Amy Levine, on the other hand, and there would be no mistake as to his intention; namely to make a Jew/shower connection.

Surely that HAS to be a deliberate intention to cause offence; the "joke" wouldn't work if he'd said it to an Atheist , Christian or Muslim.

Common decency surely dictates that you don't make "shower" jokes at Jews, in the same way that you wouldn't make "jokes" about Kenny Lynch's name to Kenny Lynch, or any black person.
Yeah, "lynch" .... just a bit of banter!


It wasn't an offensive "joke", it was an offensive remark, and there IS a difference.

THE POINT:
Political Correctness gets a lot of stick on this here Internet, but why should it be considered a bad thing to try and avoid causing offence, even if unintended offence.
If i step on someone's foot I apologise for the hurt caused, even if I didn't mean to step on their foot.


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As Darkus Howe used to say on dear old Channel4, "what say you?"
It is a shame that people who have such strong views on PC are selective about what is offensive.

There are always threads on here every year about someone who is disliked for their behaviour being mentally ill. That's the polite version as the derogatory and offensive terms are also used. Yet there is never a big uproar about calling people who are really unwell, have no cure in the cases of the more severe illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia and have a terrible quality of life. Instead their is riddicule and we are likened to the vilest of creatures.

Yes PC is about education ....let any of you cast the first stone who haven't used the word mad, lunatic, moron or idiot. ...Men in white coats or laughed at someone in psychosis talking to "themselves" ...more likely the voices or someone next to them.

Go on laugh ....because that is funny unlike the shower joke right?
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