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well i identify as BiSexual and was not offended in the slightest. yeah his comments were abit bizarre but people say bizarre things all the time, it was just ramblings of an old man.
WHY is everyone so offended by everything these days ?! this show will not last much longer if the current climate continues to descend into PC madness. |
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I'm of the mind that people should say what they want and then suffer the consequences that follow. However I feel like we're at a point in time now where people should just know better than to talk such utter garbage without facts to back it up! How could anyone say that and think it won't make a fuss?
And I know there is that debate about "just an opinion" and all that nonsense, but what I heard when he was rambling on was basically that bisexual people were the catalyst of the AIDS crisis... And to me, that is not an opinion, it's just a total line of shit. So, I'm not really sorry he was kicked out. Had he not previously expressed his negative "opinion" of bisexual people then maybe you would let it go, but taking into consideration what he said before, it's a pretty clear pattern of ridicule against a set group of people. That's not OK. I also think what he said that upset Katie should be broadcast as well. I'm fine with BB kicking people out, but I'm not fine with them protecting the HMs from themselves. If they say it and it's relevant, they should show it. |
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It's not hate speech.
It's an ignorant theory that like lots of conspiracy theories has grains of fact and a lot of stupid mixed together. You can't say his intention was to persuade people to hate bisexuals. People need to realise idiots are everywhere and they have a right to express their opinions as much as anyone else. |
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While I agree with that, the problem is, in the context of the current desperately low-brow C/BB, if no one challenges 'contentious' remarks - and as far as we're aware, no one did - then it looks like BB is condoning them. They also have to be seen to abide by broadcasting rules.
In a better BB, Biggins' remarks could have been used in a useful way - where BB eg. turned them into a discussion point - but, as it is, no one in there seems bothered and/or can be arsed to take his views on because they're all too self-involved and/or busy looking out for themselves or, in the case of a few of them, too stupid to even understand why his remarks are problematic. If I'd been in there, I would've talked with him about it & ask him why he was saying that - I haven't said once that he should have been kicked out of the house, I've not said it makes him a horrible person, or that peoples should be censored, just that I think his comments are unfair discrimination. I can't believe that not one person appeared to have a discussion with him about it, or tell him that he was undoubtedly going to cause offence to a lot of people by making such a sweeping statement!! There seems to be so many people here that are just attacking others, it's not nice - you don't have to be nasty to make your opinion heard.
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While I agree with that, the problem is, in the context of the current desperately low-brow C/BB, if no one challenges 'contentious' remarks - and as far as we're aware, no one did - then it looks like BB is condoning them. They also have to be seen to abide by broadcasting rules.
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I don't like such censorship. I don't have to agree with people's views but I'd rather be made aware of them, that way I know what I'm up against.
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It's baffling me how some people are making out that Biggins got evicted for our sins or something. There's free speech and there's hate speech, thank god BB realised Biggins was doing the latter.
As a homosexual man I was massively offended by what he said. He displayed a warped prejudice towards bisexuality, whist perpetuating destructive (and incorrect) beliefs regarding HIV/AIDS. For a gay man to stand there and let Renee call it "GRID" is disgraceful, and what's worst is he will have lived through the adverts and propaganda on TV in the 80's, he'll have seen how the disease was used as a weapon by the media to isolate and prejudice the gay community. A huge prejudice which evidently still exists some three decades later. On top of that what he said made no sense. So in his mind some cult of bisexuals went over to Africa, porked the monkeys, then came back over to commit incest? He said "spread to their families families" which to me highlighted his ignorance even further, since the virus can't be spread through saliva etc, only blood and sexual fluids. So either he thinks bisexuals are all incestuous/druggies who share each others needles, or he hasn't even been bothered to research the most damaging thing to happen to the LGBT community in history. Given the context of what he said about "gay people being appreciated" or something before the epidemic, he sounded more inconvenienced for his career than the thousands of deaths of gay and bisexual men alike. To be honest there was a thread here speculating if Bear is a psychopath, but youwere all looking in the wrong place. "Free speech" only goes so far. The things he's said have been proven to be wrong and outdated, the only thing to be gained from him saying those things is more damaging prejudice. So anyone who thinks Biggins shouldn't have been evicted, do kindly evict yourself from this forum as well. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Porked the monkeys?? really?? I find THAT highly offensive.
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The more I think about all this the more I become confused. Biggins is a seasoned BB fan - he is often on the show - he fully understands how it all works. In a couple of days he managed to offend half the viewing population. It just is not sitting well at all - I'm not a suspicious person but
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() https://www.worldofcruising.co.uk/ch...saga-sapphire/ A bit convenient that he can now fulfil his contract with Saga??? |
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Yes Biggins said some stupid things and should have known better, but I'm not sure he should have been evicted. I would have thought Bear is more likely to cause offence in general with his aggressive and unpredictable behaviour. We have to be so "politically correct" these days and be seen to do the right thing ....
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Biggins actually said bisexual people had sex with monkeys in Africa??
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It's baffling me how some people are making out that Biggins got evicted for our sins or something. There's free speech and there's hate speech, thank god BB realised Biggins was doing the latter.
As a homosexual man I was massively offended by what he said. He displayed a warped prejudice towards bisexuality, whist perpetuating destructive (and incorrect) beliefs regarding HIV/AIDS. For a gay man to stand there and let Renee call it "GRID" is disgraceful, and what's worst is he will have lived through the adverts and propaganda on TV in the 80's, he'll have seen how the disease was used as a weapon by the media to isolate and prejudice the gay community. A huge prejudice which evidently still exists some three decades later. On top of that what he said made no sense. So in his mind some cult of bisexuals went over to Africa, porked the monkeys, then came back over to commit incest? He said "spread to their families families" which to me highlighted his ignorance even further, since the virus can't be spread through saliva etc, only blood and sexual fluids. So either he thinks bisexuals are all incestuous/druggies who share each others needles, or he hasn't even been bothered to research the most damaging thing to happen to the LGBT community in history. Given the context of what he said about "gay people being appreciated" or something before the epidemic, he sounded more inconvenienced for his career than the thousands of deaths of gay and bisexual men alike. To be honest there was a thread here speculating if Bear is a psychopath, but youwere all looking in the wrong place. "Free speech" only goes so far. The things he's said have been proven to be wrong and outdated, the only thing to be gained from him saying those things is more damaging prejudice. So anyone who thinks Biggins shouldn't have been evicted, do kindly evict yourself from this forum as well. Also you mention the deaths of gay and bisexual men being less important to him than his career, he hasn't given that appearance however you have certainly given the appearance that bisexual women, women and children who have died are of no consequence to you. At least Biggins said "family" which encompasses everyone and all genders.....I honk you may be a bigot yourself as in my experience a lot of gay men are to women ....especially bi ones . |
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Yes Biggins said some stupid things and should have known better, but I'm not sure he should have been evicted. I would have thought Bear is more likely to cause offence in general with his aggressive and unpredictable behaviour. We have to be so "politically correct" these days and be seen to do the right thing ....
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It's not hate speech.
It's an ignorant theory that like lots of conspiracy theories has grains of fact and a lot of stupid mixed together. You can't say his intention was to persuade people to hate bisexuals. People need to realise idiots are everywhere and they have a right to express their opinions as much as anyone else. I really dislike this 'overegging' what Biggins actually said - it's the opposite of having a debate about the issues, it's just slinging mud. As far as I saw Biggins appeared to think that men had gone over to Africa (on business or something) had sex with the local women, who were infected, came back to the USA and infected their wives and ALSO went into the gay community and infected them. It's not pleasant, and it's not totally accurate, but it's not BEYOND all understanding is it? Aids certainly started in Africa and did spread everywhere, and sex, particularly unsafe sex, did spread it, although it was only one of the ways it happened. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. Biggins certainly seems to have a bee in his bonnet about bisexuality, but surely the points should be discussed, and not some total ban on anything negative said? Which is then usually accompanied by a lot of rather hateful exaggerations and lies, which appear to seemingly justify the extreme censure he is getting. |
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It's not hate speech.
It's an ignorant theory that like lots of conspiracy theories has grains of fact and a lot of stupid mixed together. |
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Porked the monkeys?? really?? I find THAT highly offensive.
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Absolutely.
I really dislike this 'overegging' what Biggins actually said - it's the opposite of having a debate about the issues, it's just slinging mud. As far as I saw Biggins appeared to think that men had gone over to Africa (on business or something) had sex with the local women, who were infected, came back to the USA and infected their wives and ALSO went into the gay community and infected them. It's not pleasant, and it's not totally accurate, but it's not BEYOND all understanding is it? Aids certainly started in Africa and did spread everywhere, and sex, particularly unsafe sex, did spread it, although it was only one of the ways it happened. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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You are right we can all stop any humour it's laughing that seems to be causing all the problems these days.
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He did say that however I'm a bit at a loss as to how he could think this was a credible theory when pretty much all of the earliest sufferers of AIDS were gay men - not women infected by their partners. How could he believe that the women managed to escape infection??
![]() Vaginal sex is 'safer' - although not safe. In Africa there were and still are many affected women. He didn't say women escaped, although far more gay men suffered. I can't really think why the men who went to Africa didn't sleep with men and then bring it back into the gay community. But that would be denigrating homosexual men, I suppose. This is only what I remember reading, I haven't looked it up recently. |
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Unsafe sex, anal without a condom, as far as I'm aware, was one of the important ways that aids was spread.
Vaginal sex is 'safer' - although not safe. In Africa there were and still are many affected women. He didn't say women escaped, although far more gay men suffered. I can't really think why the men who went to Africa didn't sleep with men and then bring it back into the gay community. But that would be denigrating homosexual men, I suppose. This is only what I remember reading, I haven't looked it up recently. It seems to me that he has a real bee in his bonnet about bisexual people for some reason. |
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He did say that however I'm a bit at a loss as to how he could think this was a credible theory when pretty much all of the earliest sufferers of AIDS were gay men - not women infected by their partners. How could he believe that the women managed to escape infection??
![]() I don't think any of this is any reason to kick him out of the house though. Substitute 'taxi drivers' or 'sailors' for 'bisexuals' being responsible for the spread of AIDS and you can see how daft this whole business is. |
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Ok - and I genuinely think that as stupid as this sounds it could be a solution. When somebody says something that's contentious that the channel doesn't want to seen to support then an animated set of rolling eyes pops up on screen, maybe with a little tutting sound. I'm genuinely not being sarcastic. If it would allow us to see real things that happen I'd settle for it. It's just as daft as those warnings before every segment of the show telling us the apocalypse might be coming.
Win win. We, as viewers, get some genuinely interesting footage, and the 'X' concerned is forced to confront their 'contentiousness'. |
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They wouldn't have to dumb it down that much. All they'd need to do is something as basic as sit the HMs down and say 'Yesterday, X said this and BB thinks it could be seen as offensive to others/the viewing public. Today's task is that you debate it as a group. BB will provide a party if the HMs etc etc....
Win win. We, as viewers, get some genuinely interesting footage, and the 'X' concerned is forced to confront their 'contentiousness'. |
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The first time I heard mention of AIDS it was in a documentary, I believe,Panorama.
It introduced the idea of a mystery disease which attacked the immune system which had been identified in certain groups of people. The four 'H's which were haemophiliacs,heroin users, homosexual men and Haitians. Does anyone else remember this? |
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