well i identify as BiSexual and was not offended in the slightest. yeah his comments were abit bizarre but people say bizarre things all the time, it was just ramblings of an old man.
WHY is everyone so offended by everything these days ?!

this show will not last much longer if the current climate continues to descend into PC madness.

I'm of the mind that people should say what they want and then suffer the consequences that follow. However I feel like we're at a point in time now where people should just know better than to talk such utter garbage without facts to back it up! How could anyone say that and think it won't make a fuss?

And I know there is that debate about "just an opinion" and all that nonsense, but what I heard when he was rambling on was basically that bisexual people were the catalyst of the AIDS crisis... And to me, that is not an opinion, it's just a total line of shit. So, I'm not really sorry he was kicked out.

Had he not previously expressed his negative "opinion" of bisexual people then maybe you would let it go, but taking into consideration what he said before, it's a pretty clear pattern of ridicule against a set group of people. That's not OK.

I also think what he said that upset Katie should be broadcast as well. I'm fine with BB kicking people out, but I'm not fine with them protecting the HMs from themselves. If they say it and it's relevant, they should show it.

It's not hate speech.

It's an ignorant theory that like lots of conspiracy theories has grains of fact and a lot of stupid mixed together.

You can't say his intention was to persuade people to hate bisexuals.

People need to realise idiots are everywhere and they have a right to express their opinions as much as anyone else.

Exactly.
If I'd been in there, I would've talked with him about it & ask him why he was saying that - I haven't said once that he should have been kicked out of the house, I've not said it makes him a horrible person, or that peoples should be censored, just that I think his comments are unfair discrimination. I can't believe that not one person appeared to have a discussion with him about it, or tell him that he was undoubtedly going to cause offence to a lot of people by making such a sweeping statement!!

There seems to be so many people here that are just attacking others, it's not nice - you don't have to be nasty to make your opinion heard.

Ok - and I genuinely think that as stupid as this sounds it could be a solution. When somebody says something that's contentious that the channel doesn't want to seen to support then an animated set of rolling eyes pops up on screen, maybe with a little tutting sound. I'm genuinely not being sarcastic. If it would allow us to see real things that happen I'd settle for it. It's just as daft as those warnings before every segment of the show telling us the apocalypse might be coming.

I don't like such censorship. I don't have to agree with people's views but I'd rather be made aware of them, that way I know what I'm up against.

The more I think about all this the more I become confused. Biggins is a seasoned BB fan - he is often on the show - he fully understands how it all works. In a couple of days he managed to offend half the viewing population. It just is not sitting well at all - I'm not a suspicious person but

I agree. That is offensive and nobody mentioned monkeys in the conversation in the bedroom. Funny, isn't it, how the easily offended dont mind embellishing A story to make it sound worse and manage to be nastier than the person they are so desperate to denigrate.

Call me suspicious but........

https://www.worldofcruising.co.uk/ch...saga-sapphire/

A bit convenient that he can now fulfil his contract with Saga???

Yes Biggins said some stupid things and should have known better, but I'm not sure he should have been evicted. I would have thought Bear is more likely to cause offence in general with his aggressive and unpredictable behaviour. We have to be so "politically correct" these days and be seen to do the right thing ....

I didnt hear him say that

I don't recall him saying bisexuals had sex with monkeys and it is not factually incorrect what he said . He didn't quantify the bigger picture which was wrong . He also did not talk of a cult of us going over to have sex with people. He also never mentioned incest so I don't know where that came from.....I think you are putting a lot of words in his mouth which is unfair.

Also you mention the deaths of gay and bisexual men being less important to him than his career, he hasn't given that appearance however you have certainly given the appearance that bisexual women, women and children who have died are of no consequence to you. At least Biggins said "family" which encompasses everyone and all genders.....I honk you may be a bigot yourself as in my experience a lot of gay men are to women ....especially bi ones .

BIB - It's not difficult.

Absolutely.

I really dislike this 'overegging' what Biggins actually said - it's the opposite of having a debate about the issues, it's just slinging mud.

As far as I saw Biggins appeared to think that men had gone over to Africa (on business or something) had sex with the local women, who were infected, came back to the USA and infected their wives and ALSO went into the gay community and infected them.

It's not pleasant, and it's not totally accurate, but it's not BEYOND all understanding is it?

Aids certainly started in Africa and did spread everywhere, and sex, particularly unsafe sex, did spread it, although it was only one of the ways it happened.

I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.

Biggins certainly seems to have a bee in his bonnet about bisexuality, but surely the points should be discussed, and not some total ban on anything negative said?

Which is then usually accompanied by a lot of rather hateful exaggerations and lies, which appear to seemingly justify the extreme censure he is getting.

Agreed. Ignorant and misguided yes, but I saw or heard no expression of hatred or hate speech.

You are right we can all stop any humour it's laughing that seems to be causing all the problems these days.

I didn't hear him say that. I think that is OPs words

He did say that however I'm a bit at a loss as to how he could think this was a credible theory when pretty much all of the earliest sufferers of AIDS were gay men - not women infected by their partners. How could he believe that the women managed to escape infection??

I find it easy enough to have a laugh and also to avoid causing offence to groups of people.

Unsafe sex, anal without a condom, as far as I'm aware, was one of the important ways that aids was spread.

Vaginal sex is 'safer' - although not safe. In Africa there were and still are many affected women.

He didn't say women escaped, although far more gay men suffered.

I can't really think why the men who went to Africa didn't sleep with men and then bring it back into the gay community. But that would be denigrating homosexual men, I suppose.

This is only what I remember reading, I haven't looked it up recently.

I agree that vaginal sex is lower risk but there would still be plenty of women infected had this been the case.

It seems to me that he has a real bee in his bonnet about bisexual people for some reason.

He's obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer and has been reading some barmy stuff on the internet or listening to weird conspiracy theories.

I don't think any of this is any reason to kick him out of the house though. Substitute 'taxi drivers' or 'sailors' for 'bisexuals' being responsible for the spread of AIDS and you can see how daft this whole business is.

They wouldn't have to dumb it down that much. All they'd need to do is something as basic as sit the HMs down and say 'Yesterday, X said this and BB thinks it could be seen as offensive to others/the viewing public. Today's task is that you debate it as a group. BB will provide a party if the HMs etc etc....

Win win. We, as viewers, get some genuinely interesting footage, and the 'X' concerned is forced to confront their 'contentiousness'.

BB don't want any intelligent debate though. They want a bunch of self obsessed cretins lying in the garden and talking about sex and who fancies who.

The first time I heard mention of AIDS it was in a documentary, I believe,Panorama.
It introduced the idea of a mystery disease which attacked the immune system which had been identified in certain groups of people.
The four 'H's which were haemophiliacs,heroin users, homosexual men and Haitians.



Does anyone else remember this?