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Old 07-08-2016, 21:02
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I agree that vaginal sex is lower risk but there would still be plenty of women infected had this been the case.

It seems to me that he has a real bee in his bonnet about bisexual people for some reason.
I've been thinking about this.

The 'gay plague' didn't provoke outrage against gays UNTIL it started spreading beyond them. Or this may be his perception, which I can understand.

There was a lot of anti homosexual feeling and irrational fear BECAUSE straight women and their children in utero began to be infected. And bisexual, or married gay men did have something to do with this.

There were other ways to get it though - blood transfusions, intravenous drug use etc.

As others have said, it took a while for people to get that it's HARD to catch, but that's a double edged sword too.

I think Ole Biggins has some warped idea that it's the BISEXUALS to blame, not the gays, when NO ONE is to blame - none of us KNEW this would happen.

The gay community got their act together and safe sex became practised very widely. And heterosexuals were also, and still are, encouraged to use condoms against stis generally.

Biggins seems defensive about homosexuals, I can understand that, and blames bi sexuals unfairly, but I don't think he said anything that can't easily be understood and discussed.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:03
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So anyone who thinks Biggins shouldn't have been evicted, do kindly evict yourself from this forum as well.
This is a public forum - anyone can contribute. You shouldn't really be telling people to "evict yourself from this forum".
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:10
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BB don't want any intelligent debate though. They want a bunch of self obsessed cretins lying in the garden and talking about sex and who fancies who.
I know that and said as much in my earlier post.

Star Baker and I were just talking about it in idealistic terms and imagining a better world.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:12
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You don't have to view what he says as acceptable, you just don't have to shut down and censor everybody that says something you don't agree with. We've got a brain and can tell what's complete nonsense.
Absolutely. Discussion is what is needed - not shutting someone down for having a (misguided) opinion.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:14
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I know that and said as much in my earlier post.

Star Baker and I were just talking about it in idealistic terms.
I'd love to see them haul in the cretins and issue them with formal warnings about their constant discussion of masturbation, the size of their manhood etc and tell them if they keep it up, BB will have no choice but to eject them from the house
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:14
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I'm of the mind that people should say what they want and then suffer the consequences that follow. However I feel like we're at a point in time now where people should just know better than to talk such utter garbage without facts to back it up!

Plenty of people talk' utter garbage' about all sorts of subjects without referring to facts.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:23
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I'd love to see them haul in the cretins and issue them with formal warnings about their constant discussion of masturbation, the size of their manhood etc and tell them if they keep it up, BB will have no choice but to eject them from the house
While desperately tedious and tragic and infantile those conversations are - and they really are - they're still not contentious in the way that targeting a group of people with bigoted ignorance is.

But I'm sure you know that.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:29
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While desperately tedious and tragic and infantile those conversations are - and they really are - they're still not contentious in the way that targeting a group of people with bigoted ignorance is.

But I'm sure you know that.
I find that sort of talk puerile and offensive. Sure others must do too therefore.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:37
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Plenty of people talk' utter garbage' about all sorts of subjects without referring to facts.
Yeah, and we should stop it.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:43
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Yeah, and we should stop it.
You don't change people's minds by shutting them down.
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Old 07-08-2016, 21:59
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You don't change people's minds by shutting them down.
As long as it shuts mouths.
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:06
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As long as it shuts mouths.
Bit totalitarian don't you think?
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:10
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If it was a heterosexual person acting like Biggins toward gay people, no one would question his eviction and I doubt he'd ever work again. He'd be absolutely finished.

It's no difference to his behavior toward bisexuals though sadly society doesn't yet protect this grouping in the same way, we're still behind the times.

He's got away lightly so far.
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:11
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It's baffling me how some people are making out that Biggins got evicted for our sins or something. There's free speech and there's hate speech, thank god BB realised Biggins was doing the latter.

As a homosexual man I was massively offended by what he said. He displayed a warped prejudice towards bisexuality, whist perpetuating destructive (and incorrect) beliefs regarding HIV/AIDS. For a gay man to stand there and let Renee call it "GRID" is disgraceful, and what's worst is he will have lived through the adverts and propaganda on TV in the 80's, he'll have seen how the disease was used as a weapon by the media to isolate and prejudice the gay community. A huge prejudice which evidently still exists some three decades later.

On top of that what he said made no sense. So in his mind some cult of bisexuals went over to Africa, porked the monkeys, then came back over to commit incest? He said "spread to their families families" which to me highlighted his ignorance even further, since the virus can't be spread through saliva etc, only blood and sexual fluids. So either he thinks bisexuals are all incestuous/druggies who share each others needles, or he hasn't even been bothered to research the most damaging thing to happen to the LGBT community in history.

Given the context of what he said about "gay people being appreciated" or something before the epidemic, he sounded more inconvenienced for his career than the thousands of deaths of gay and bisexual men alike. To be honest there was a thread here speculating if Bear is a psychopath, but youwere all looking in the wrong place.

"Free speech" only goes so far. The things he's said have been proven to be wrong and outdated, the only thing to be gained from him saying those things is more damaging prejudice. So anyone who thinks Biggins shouldn't have been evicted, do kindly evict yourself from this forum as well.
Very interesting what you have said here, especially the first two paragraphs! I have thought exactly the same as what you are saying, I really cannot get my head around him being so anti bisexuals when he must have gone through hell as a younger gay man. It just doesn't make sense to me for him to be this bigoted, it really doesn't!

But as for throwing Biggins out I'm really not sure, after what Bear has done and Aubrey spitting in food and drink and what Helen Wood done and said in the past it shocks me that Biggins is thrown out for what he's said. BB need to be more consistent!
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:14
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But as for throwing Biggins out I'm really not sure!
It's no different form someone preaching the total none existence of being gay, denying that gay people actually exist, telling all gay people they're not actually gay and have no right to pretend to be such. Such a person would deserve to be removed from the house for sure.
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:19
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I dont think he should have been kicked out for it. He had an opinion. Not one most people would agree with but it was just an opinion. Big brother is an absolute farce! They have one rule for one person and one for another! If a popular person in the house would have said it, who they thought might affect their ratings they wouldnt have booted them out! And thats MY opinion!
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:22
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Yeah, and we should stop it.
WHO should stop it?
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:33
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Exactly.
If I'd been in there, I would've talked with him about it & ask him why he was saying that - I haven't said once that he should have been kicked out of the house, I've not said it makes him a horrible person, or that peoples should be censored, just that I think his comments are unfair discrimination. I can't believe that not one person appeared to have a discussion with him about it, or tell him that he was undoubtedly going to cause offence to a lot of people by making such a sweeping statement!!

There seems to be so many people here that are just attacking others, it's not nice - you don't have to be nasty to make your opinion heard.
I totally agree with you here and I'm shocked that nobody in the house discussed the anti bisexual comments with Biggins in more detail too! I can't get my head around the whole thing with Biggins being so anti bisexuals, I really can't!
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:37
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If it was a heterosexual person acting like Biggins toward gay people, no one would question his eviction and I doubt he'd ever work again. He'd be absolutely finished.

It's no difference to his behavior toward bisexuals though sadly society doesn't yet protect this grouping in the same way, we're still behind the times.

He's got away lightly so far.
I wish people would stop parroting this shite....if this...if that ...if the other .....and then creating straw man arguments from their suppositions....it really is balderdash of the highest order
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:37
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It's no different form someone preaching the total none existence of being gay, denying that gay people actually exist, telling all gay people they're not actually gay and have no right to pretend to be such. Such a person would deserve to be removed from the house for sure.
This is what I can't get my head around with Biggins, can you imagine how he must have suffered bad comments in his younger days, unless of course he didn't come out as gay until he was much older! Things have changed so much for gay rights so why would he be so damning of bisexuals, it's just weird to me?
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:41
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I totally agree with you here and I'm shocked that nobody in the house discussed the anti bisexual comments with Biggins in more detail too! I can't get my head around the whole thing with Biggins being so anti bisexuals, I really can't!
Biggins comes from a time where most bisexual men would 'go with' being straight. Easier, as it was very difficult being gay.

And so a lot of gay men were closeted, married etc. Including him, I believe.

I think he has a lot of personal guilt about it, as many betrayed their wives and lovers as he may have done.

Things have changed, but there is still resentment amongst homosexuals for those who keep a girlfriend and play with men on the side, understandably.

However, they are not considering that these men are just unfaithful shits, heterosexual infidelity is just as rife.

I find it sort of interesting.
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:42
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The first time I heard mention of AIDS it was in a documentary, I believe,Panorama.
It introduced the idea of a mystery disease which attacked the immune system which had been identified in certain groups of people.
The four 'H's which were haemophiliacs,heroin users, homosexual men and Haitians.

Does anyone else remember this?
Yup, I have to admit to being old enough to remember this, it was Horizon though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IdpMkUlZOM
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:51
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The history of HIV as documented by 'And the Band played on' stated patient zero was likely to be a gay air steward by the name of Gaetano (I think) who frequented the bath houses in San Fransisco. This account is, of course, disputed. It's an excellent, if depressing, book.
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Old 07-08-2016, 22:53
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Bit totalitarian don't you think?
I rule with an iron... open palm.

WHO should stop it?
Everyone. But especially silly reality TV stars.
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Old 07-08-2016, 23:04
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I wish people would stop parroting this shite....if this...if that ...if the other .....and then creating straw man arguments from their suppositions....it really is balderdash of the highest order
Completely agree - I could make up a dozen ifs and they'd be just as irrelevant.
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