I've been thinking about this.

The 'gay plague' didn't provoke outrage against gays UNTIL it started spreading beyond them. Or this may be his perception, which I can understand.

There was a lot of anti homosexual feeling and irrational fear BECAUSE straight women and their children in utero began to be infected. And bisexual, or married gay men did have something to do with this.

There were other ways to get it though - blood transfusions, intravenous drug use etc.

As others have said, it took a while for people to get that it's HARD to catch, but that's a double edged sword too.

I think Ole Biggins has some warped idea that it's the BISEXUALS to blame, not the gays, when NO ONE is to blame - none of us KNEW this would happen.

The gay community got their act together and safe sex became practised very widely. And heterosexuals were also, and still are, encouraged to use condoms against stis generally.

Biggins seems defensive about homosexuals, I can understand that, and blames bi sexuals unfairly, but I don't think he said anything that can't easily be understood and discussed.

This is a public forum - anyone can contribute. You shouldn't really be telling people to "evict yourself from this forum".

I know that and said as much in my earlier post.

Star Baker and I were just talking about it in idealistic terms and imagining a better world.

Absolutely. Discussion is what is needed - not shutting someone down for having a (misguided) opinion.

I'd love to see them haul in the cretins and issue them with formal warnings about their constant discussion of masturbation, the size of their manhood etc and tell them if they keep it up, BB will have no choice but to eject them from the house

Plenty of people talk' utter garbage' about all sorts of subjects without referring to facts.

While desperately tedious and tragic and infantile those conversations are - and they really are - they're still not contentious in the way that targeting a group of people with bigoted ignorance is.

But I'm sure you know that.

I find that sort of talk puerile and offensive. Sure others must do too therefore.

Yeah, and we should stop it.

You don't change people's minds by shutting them down.

As long as it shuts mouths.

Bit totalitarian don't you think?

If it was a heterosexual person acting like Biggins toward gay people, no one would question his eviction and I doubt he'd ever work again. He'd be absolutely finished.

It's no difference to his behavior toward bisexuals though sadly society doesn't yet protect this grouping in the same way, we're still behind the times.

He's got away lightly so far.

Very interesting what you have said here, especially the first two paragraphs! I have thought exactly the same as what you are saying, I really cannot get my head around him being so anti bisexuals when he must have gone through hell as a younger gay man. It just doesn't make sense to me for him to be this bigoted, it really doesn't!

But as for throwing Biggins out I'm really not sure, after what Bear has done and Aubrey spitting in food and drink and what Helen Wood done and said in the past it shocks me that Biggins is thrown out for what he's said. BB need to be more consistent!

It's no different form someone preaching the total none existence of being gay, denying that gay people actually exist, telling all gay people they're not actually gay and have no right to pretend to be such. Such a person would deserve to be removed from the house for sure.

I dont think he should have been kicked out for it. He had an opinion. Not one most people would agree with but it was just an opinion. Big brother is an absolute farce! They have one rule for one person and one for another! If a popular person in the house would have said it, who they thought might affect their ratings they wouldnt have booted them out! And thats MY opinion!

WHO should stop it?

I totally agree with you here and I'm shocked that nobody in the house discussed the anti bisexual comments with Biggins in more detail too! I can't get my head around the whole thing with Biggins being so anti bisexuals, I really can't!

I wish people would stop parroting this shite....if this...if that ...if the other .....and then creating straw man arguments from their suppositions....it really is balderdash of the highest order

This is what I can't get my head around with Biggins, can you imagine how he must have suffered bad comments in his younger days, unless of course he didn't come out as gay until he was much older! Things have changed so much for gay rights so why would he be so damning of bisexuals, it's just weird to me?

Biggins comes from a time where most bisexual men would 'go with' being straight. Easier, as it was very difficult being gay.

And so a lot of gay men were closeted, married etc. Including him, I believe.

I think he has a lot of personal guilt about it, as many betrayed their wives and lovers as he may have done.

Things have changed, but there is still resentment amongst homosexuals for those who keep a girlfriend and play with men on the side, understandably.

However, they are not considering that these men are just unfaithful shits, heterosexual infidelity is just as rife.

I find it sort of interesting.

Yup, I have to admit to being old enough to remember this, it was Horizon though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IdpMkUlZOM

The history of HIV as documented by 'And the Band played on' stated patient zero was likely to be a gay air steward by the name of Gaetano (I think) who frequented the bath houses in San Fransisco. This account is, of course, disputed. It's an excellent, if depressing, book.

I rule with an iron... open palm.


Everyone. But especially silly reality TV stars.

Completely agree - I could make up a dozen ifs and they'd be just as irrelevant.