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Biggins felt someone on the production team grassed him up so to speak and forced BB's hand.
It's interesting that that they hauled him over a rather lame conversation about AIDS in Africa. It may be that they were desperately searching for an excuse to evict him at this point, now that news of the earlier conversation with Katie had leaked. It still seems extreme to me. |
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Biggins felt someone on the production team grassed him up so to speak and forced BB's hand.
It's interesting that that they hauled him over a rather lame conversation about AIDS in Africa. It may be that they were desperately searching for an excuse to evict him at this point, now that news of the earlier conversation with Katie had leaked. They then correctly referenced the aids comment, which was indeed after the caution. Again if you look at the transcript you'll see they added a date time to that one when they read it out, but not the first one. I find it quite plausible that the death-camp joke was causing a lot of panic, perhaps because they felt it was going to get out that it had happened and they'd not shown it. From that point on they were determined to remove him at the first available opportunity... that opportunity came with the Aids discussion... they then recapped the events, changing the order so that it went NAZI - WARNING - BISEXUALS - AIDS and not BISEXUALS - NAZI - WARNING - AIDS... ...that way they were able to imply two further infringements after the first warning and not one. |
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Definitely barmy conspiracy stuff but for the life of me I can't see what is "offensive" about his conspiracy theory or how it could get him ejected from the house. If he had said he thought American sailors had brought AIDS to the west, would that also see BB giving him his marching orders?
![]() It shows that all channel fives previous fake outrages have been set up. Get in a christian, provoke a debate about gays,be outraged, kick them out. It seems biggins weird ideas weren't part of the shows plans and they didn't know how to handle it. |
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I still find it hard to believe that Biggins meant any real offense - or that he is antisemitic.
It still seems extreme to me. |
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You can't joke about jews or you an anti semite. The issue is, it wasn't aired and katie doesnt seem to be a proper jew, so how Jewish people could be offended is a mystery. Maybe it was someone in production who took offence.
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I'm glad this has caused a discussion and other people feel strongly about this issue.
Just want to say sorry for getting on my high horse and saying people shouldn't disagree with me, I was very heated when I wrote the OP and of course you all have the right to an opinion. The last thing I want is for that to take away from the discussion! Carry on. |
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I'd wager your right yes. As I mentioned in my transcript, which I had attempted to put in order, the first bisexual comment was BEFORE the nazi one - and Biggins later went on to say the nazi one was the FIRST time he'd been called into the diary room and cautioned. Big Brother upon evicting him reminded him he'd been cautioned over his comment to Katie and Biggins agreed with this. They then told him he had GONE ON to make further comments after the warning... and quoted the initial bisexual one back to him... as though this had been AFTER his caution. It hadn't been. It had been the day before.
They then correctly referenced the aids comment, which was indeed after the caution. Again if you look at the transcript you'll see they added a date time to that one when they read it out, but not the first one. I find it quite plausible that the death-camp joke was causing a lot of panic, perhaps because they felt it was going to get out that it had happened and they'd not shown it. From that point on they were determined to remove him at the first available opportunity... that opportunity came with the Aids discussion... they then recapped the events, changing the order so that it went NAZI - WARNING - BISEXUALS - AIDS and not BISEXUALS - NAZI - WARNING - AIDS... ...that way they were able to imply two further infringements after the first warning and not one. Quote:
You can't joke about jews or you an anti semite. The issue is, it wasn't aired and katie doesnt seem to be a proper jew, so how Jewish people could be offended is a mystery. Maybe it was someone in production who took offence.
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His comments that women only became successful if they were good at blow jobs was before that and was grossly sexist.
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They gave him a warning then did they?
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It doesn't sound like it
The bit you bolded was me stating biggins claimed the death-camp joke was his first warning. Whats the reference to the blow-job in reply to?
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His comments that women only became successful if they were good at blow jobs was before that and was grossly sexist.
Why is she not a "proper Jew"? |
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Oh. I'm sorry I don't understand.
The bit you bolded was me stating biggins claimed the death-camp joke was his first warning. Whats the reference to the blow-job in reply to?You said that Biggins said that the death camp reference was the first warning that he received. I was stating that what he said about women, which was prior to the death camp comment, should also have warranted a warning. |
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I still find it hard to believe that Biggins meant any real offense - or that he is antisemitic.
It still seems extreme to me. |
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It may have been edited out but she doesn't seem to be observant.
I used to work for a Jewish couple who would eat bacon sandwiches as long as I bought lunch from Marks & Spencer's as that was a Jewish shop
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Sorry if my post was confusing.
You said that Biggins said that the death camp reference was the first warning that he received. I was stating that what he said about women, which was prior to the death camp comment, should also have warranted a warning. Cheers! |
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Be interesting to know how Katie's Mum heard about it though. We know it was leaked, but that was just after he was removed - not before.
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That seems to be the case, unless somebody behind the scenes let it be known to the family before he left. I think there is a lot of things we don't know about what was really said and why Katie was so upset!
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I'm certainly coming round to that idea. And I'm usually rabidly anti-conspiracy.
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It is good to see that you can think logically despite being enraged...
Apart from a few things that you seem to have warped along the way. He didn't say anything about porking monkeys. He stated that bisexuals went to Africa and contracted AIDS which they then brought back to their families. Meaning (in his youth) gay men would form relationships with women due to the lack of acceptance of homosexuals by society (and law) at the time. So, the closet gay men went to Africa to explore their actual desires. Nothing related to incest was implied. It is also a fact that anal sex without protection is more likely to spread disease than vaginal penetration (18 times more likely according to some sources - quick google). I was also under the impression that he was saying that gays are now appreciated in society, but that was not the case when he was young, rather than the other way around. Personally I don't care for Biggins, but I do believe that he is entitled to his views and opinions. What he said is far from a hate speech. You put this very well actually ,I was trying to think of how to react ,and this is how i saw it .totally blown up to make someone seem like a demon ? don't agree with all that OP said .think he was listening to a different show
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I'd wager your right yes. As I mentioned in my transcript, which I had attempted to put in order, the first bisexual comment was BEFORE the nazi one - and Biggins later went on to say the nazi one was the FIRST time he'd been called into the diary room and cautioned. Big Brother upon evicting him reminded him he'd been cautioned over his comment to Katie and Biggins agreed with this. They then told him he had GONE ON to make further comments after the warning... and quoted the initial bisexual one back to him... as though this had been AFTER his caution. It hadn't been. It had been the day before.
They then correctly referenced the aids comment, which was indeed after the caution. Again if you look at the transcript you'll see they added a date time to that one when they read it out, but not the first one. I find it quite plausible that the death-camp joke was causing a lot of panic, perhaps because they felt it was going to get out that it had happened and they'd not shown it. From that point on they were determined to remove him at the first available opportunity... that opportunity came with the Aids discussion... they then recapped the events, changing the order so that it went NAZI - WARNING - BISEXUALS - AIDS and not BISEXUALS - NAZI - WARNING - AIDS... ...that way they were able to imply two further infringements after the first warning and not one. |
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I still find it hard to believe that Biggins meant any real offense - or that he is antisemitic.
It still seems extreme to me. This is a wake up call for him, that the indulged bubble he's lived in for decades has burst and the 'benevolent jolly uncle' persona he's coasted on has been exposed for the sham it is. Someone genuinely remorseful at the fallout would apologise, take stock and look inward. Biggins, instead, looks outward at the backlash and thinks a trip to Auschwitz and the fact he lives in Hackney and has black neighbours will undo the damage.
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The bit you bolded was me stating biggins claimed the death-camp joke was his first warning. Whats the reference to the blow-job in reply to?