I still find it hard to believe that Biggins meant any real offense - or that he is antisemitic.

It still seems extreme to me.

I'd wager your right yes. As I mentioned in my transcript, which I had attempted to put in order, the first bisexual comment was BEFORE the nazi one - and Biggins later went on to say the nazi one was the FIRST time he'd been called into the diary room and cautioned. Big Brother upon evicting him reminded him he'd been cautioned over his comment to Katie and Biggins agreed with this. They then told him he had GONE ON to make further comments after the warning... and quoted the initial bisexual one back to him... as though this had been AFTER his caution. It hadn't been. It had been the day before.

They then correctly referenced the aids comment, which was indeed after the caution.

Again if you look at the transcript you'll see they added a date time to that one when they read it out, but not the first one.

I find it quite plausible that the death-camp joke was causing a lot of panic, perhaps because they felt it was going to get out that it had happened and they'd not shown it. From that point on they were determined to remove him at the first available opportunity... that opportunity came with the Aids discussion... they then recapped the events, changing the order so that it went NAZI - WARNING - BISEXUALS - AIDS and not BISEXUALS - NAZI - WARNING - AIDS...

...that way they were able to imply two further infringements after the first warning and not one.

Neither can I. I think the offence is the way it harks back to the old 'gays caused aids, its a gay didease, dirty gays' stuff. No one cares about how offended the CIA might have been

It shows that all channel fives previous fake outrages have been set up. Get in a christian, provoke a debate about gays,be outraged, kick them out.

It seems biggins weird ideas weren't part of the shows plans and they didn't know how to handle it.

You can't joke about jews or you an anti semite. The issue is, it wasn't aired and katie doesnt seem to be a proper jew, so how Jewish people could be offended is a mystery. Maybe it was someone in production who took offence.

Well, she's jew....ish.

(c) David Baddiel 1998

I'm glad this has caused a discussion and other people feel strongly about this issue.

Just want to say sorry for getting on my high horse and saying people shouldn't disagree with me, I was very heated when I wrote the OP and of course you all have the right to an opinion. The last thing I want is for that to take away from the discussion! Carry on.

His comments that women only became successful if they were good at blow jobs was before that and was grossly sexist.


Why is she not a "proper Jew"?

They gave him a warning then did they?

It doesn't sound like it

Oh. I'm sorry I don't understand. The bit you bolded was me stating biggins claimed the death-camp joke was his first warning. Whats the reference to the blow-job in reply to?

It may have been edited out but she doesn't seem to be observant.

Sorry if my post was confusing.

You said that Biggins said that the death camp reference was the first warning that he received. I was stating that what he said about women, which was prior to the death camp comment, should also have warranted a warning.

I agree with you and tbh I was losing interest in this CBB , first time ever, and this hasn't helped. I'm really sick of all this faux outrage when people are not even sure what they're outraged about

I'm not sure what has been edited out but not all Jews are observant - it doesn't stop them from being Jewish.

I used to work for a Jewish couple who would eat bacon sandwiches as long as I bought lunch from Marks & Spencer's as that was a Jewish shop

Ohhhhh!

Cheers!

That seems to be the case, unless somebody behind the scenes let it be known to the family before he left. I think there is a lot of things we don't know about what was really said and why Katie was so upset!

I'm certainly coming round to that idea. And I'm usually rabidly anti-conspiracy.

Yes, we have been saying for some time that the housemates have too much contact with the outside and it may even be the case that Katie was so upset that they let her speak to her mother or family members, nothing would shock me these days! This has obviously been slow burning since Biggins made the comment very early on in the house! I don't s'pose we will ever really know the truth.

You put this very well actually ,I was trying to think of how to react ,and this is how i saw it .totally blown up to make someone seem like a demon ? don't agree with all that OP said .think he was listening to a different show

Biggins seems to think that someone on the production team spoke to a member of the press about his 'Nazi' joke. The journalist probably then contacted BB to ask them about this, at which point they went into complete meltdown over fears they would be accused of covering up "racist" behaviour in the house. So they desperately went searching for something to eject him over and his discussion on AIDS in Africa had to do.

While I agree that he didn't set out to be offensive, the point is that he seems to have zero awareness of how out of touch and all-round ignorant his 'comedy' and views are.

This is a wake up call for him, that the indulged bubble he's lived in for decades has burst and the 'benevolent jolly uncle' persona he's coasted on has been exposed for the sham it is.

Someone genuinely remorseful at the fallout would apologise, take stock and look inward. Biggins, instead, looks outward at the backlash and thinks a trip to Auschwitz and the fact he lives in Hackney and has black neighbours will undo the damage.