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Old 07-08-2016, 16:16
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I thought, given its still the topic of the hour, that it might be worth transcribing all the incidents in order - as well as Big Brother's diary room eviction of him.

Weirdly, in putting them in order it would appear that there is a bit of an anomaly when it comes to the apparent order of events... In particular it seems as though the first bisexual comment was made BEFORE the nazi one and that (if we are to believe Biggins) he wasn't cautioned over it at the time... And interestingly Big Brother themselves, in their diary room talk go on to reference that first incident as though it had occured after the nazi warning. Make of that what you will... And do correct me if I'm wrong.

So here's the transcripts - starting with last Sunday.

Sunday 1st August (broadcast Monday 2nd August)

BEDROOM

BIGGINS: Rene?

RENE: Yes my love?

BIGGINS: You’ve got nothing against gays have you?

RENE: Me? No, not at all. Okay, when your gay your gay – and I think it’s beautiful, because it’s who you are. Because it’s natural. But I think today in society they kind of force things on people and they confuse you.

BIGGINS: You’re right.

RENE: Okay? I’m not wrong?

BIGGINS: No.

RENE: I think it kind of feels like, “Oh let me try this because it might work.”

BIGGINS: It’s trendy.

RENE: And it might **** your head up so bad because you don’t know what you just did.

BIGGINS: I know.

RENE: If your gay you know it.

BIGGINS: I think the worst type though, I’m afraid to say, are the bisexuals.

RENE: I… That upsets me. You have to pick a team.

BIGGINS: Yeah and what it is, is people not wanting to admit they’re gay.

RENE: Please pick a team! You can pick any one you want!

BIGGINS: Yeah, I know, I know, I agree. I totally agree. But be honest, that’s what you’ve got to be.

RENE: Yeah.

BIGGINS: Be honest. It’s difficult.


Monday 2nd August (From Biggins Sun Interview as no footage was released)

The 67-year-old actor said: “I found Katie and said ‘I am mortified. I would never do anything to upset you. I love you and I’m really sorry’.”

Biggins had earlier made a concentration camp “joke” to the Jewish former X Factor star, 30, as fellow housemates rowed in the bathroom.

He said: “You better be careful or they’ll be putting you in a shower and taking you to a room.”

The Panto star now admits that he was making a joke about Nazis, who gassed Jews in shower blocks.

He said: “I suppose I was, yes. But it didn’t occur to me that’s what I was referring to.”

“At the time, she laughed and then gave a shocked reaction to me. Quite rightly.”

“She didn’t say anything. I don’t think she walked away immediately. We sat there for a little time and it wasn’t evident she was offended.

“It is like a sort of prison in there because there’s no way out. You’re stuck in there and you don’t know what’s going to happen next.”

“That was the first time I had ever been taken into the diary room to be given a formal warning. I said I was terribly sorry.”



Friday 5th August (Broadcast Saturday 6th August)

BEDROOM

BIGGINS: Gay’s have been really badly treated and then suddenly, came a period where gay people were respected and, you know, they could go out there, you could do things, you could… and then suddenly…

JAMES: Was there a… Was there a kind of a difference overnight? Was there a palpable difference or…?

BIGGINS: No I wouldn’t say overnight, but the difference happened and then a killer disease came which was attributed to homosexuals

FRANKIE: Called GRID.

RENE: Do you still believe that it was really a homosexual disease or…?

BIGGINS: No because I tell you, I think it was a bisexual disease if I’m going to be honest. Because a guy went to Africa…

RENE: Cos I’m going to tell you a story that someone said, someone who worked in the CIA told us.

BIGGINS: They gave it to kill off gays?

RENE: They gave it to kill of third world countries.

BIGGINS: That I think it right.

RENE: It was a disease that came…

JAMES: Man made?

BIGGINS: It was man made, yes.

JAMES: You believe that?

BIGGINS: Yes.

JAMES: Do you?

BIGGINS: I do.

JAMES: Really?

BIGGINS: Yes.

RENE: According to this man… according to this man… who worked for the CIA, no names mentioned, erm…. He… He… He used to come by my house and visit… erm… he told us this story that it was… and the reason he visited us was that he was working on a movie… and it was… to be for third world countries to make them smaller, get rid of them and then it started coming over here…

BIGGINS: And what they didn’t realise—

RENE: --And I think that they didn’t know what they’d done. As usual. And had to blame it on somebody.

BIGGINS: And what they didn’t realise that there were a lot of bisexuals that went to those countries and had sex with those people and then brought it back to their own families in America.

RENE: Oh really?

BIGGINS: So that’s how it became such a world wide disease, so what happened was the government or whoever instigated it ****ed up big time.

RENE: ****ed us.

BIGGINS: Yeah.


Friday 5th August (broadcast Saturday 6th August)

DIARY ROOM

BIGGINS: Hi Big Brother.

BIG BROTHER: Hello Biggins. Before you entered the Big Brother house, the rules regarding unacceptable language and behaviour were explained to you.

BIGGINS: Yes.

BIG BROTHER
: Big Brother has spoken to you before about some of the unacceptable language you have used in the house. You were told that your language was unacceptable and you told Big Brother that you understood and would not use such language.

BIGGINS: Yes.

BIG BROTHER: On Monday, during a conversation with Katie where she remarked she was not in the house to represent the jewish community your comment was clearly capable of causing offence to Katie and the viewing public.

BIGGINS: Yes.

BIG BROTHER: Big Brother spoke to you about your language.

BIGGINS: Yes.

BIG BROTHER: When Big Brother pointed out to you that your language was capable of great offence, you apologised and indicated you understood the seriousness of the situation.

BIGGINS: I did.

BIG BROTHER But you have continued to use unacceptable language. In a conversation with Rene you said, “I think the worse type though, I’m afraid to say is the bisexuals” you went on to say, “What it is, is people not wanting to admit they are gay.” Today at 2:25pm in a conversation with Renne and others, you again used unacceptable language regarding bisexuality. Talking about AIDS you said, “I think it was a bisexual disease.” You then went on to say, “There were a lot of bisexuals who went to those countries and had sex with those people and brought it back to their own families in America, so that’s why it became such a world-wide disease.” Biggins, due to your continued use of unacceptable language in the house, which is capable of causing wide-spread offence, Big Brother is left with no option other than to remove you from the house. Do you have anything to say?

BIGGINS: I’m very sorry and I’m very sad.

BIG BROTHER: Biggins, you may now leave the diary room via the door to your left.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:38
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Thank you for that
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:43
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blimey, he really has a thing about bisexuals, is that all he talked about? is that what his calling card was going to be for BB? i guess it was different to always talking about panto and all the celebs he has meet..........Can you imagine being of that age and experiencing all the great things he has and all you could bring to the table is giggle and talk about bisexuals....

I wonder what were is the transcript for a discusion about black people in hackney? that i keep on seeing on the forum? I bet that also was linked to bisexuals too no doubt loooool
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:43
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So the transcript from Secret Squirrel was not all fake after all .
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:51
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Thanks for transcript, K.T. He really is an ignorant bigot.

I think his comments re bisexuals are borderline even more offensive than (what we know of) his remarks to Katie. The more I read of him, the more I think that 'fake transcript' denial was BB being more than a little bit economical with the truth.
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Old 07-08-2016, 16:51
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So the transcript from Secret Squirrel was not all fake after all .
Interesting conclusion.

Mine's 100% genuine though. Though the thoughts expressed within may not be.
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Old 07-08-2016, 17:46
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So the transcript from Secret Squirrel was not all fake after all .
What was the confirmation?
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:11
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I still don't understand this though. His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past and that is how a lot of females contracted the disease. It was a disease that was ultimately spread by homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.

His comments about the showers were well below the belt and definitely deserved a warning but the bisexual thing was just general banter.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:16
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So the transcript from Secret Squirrel was not all fake after all .
You are joking right?
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:22
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I still don't understand this though. His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past and that is how a lot of females contracted the disease. It was a disease that was ultimately spread by homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.

His comments about the showers were well below the belt and definitely deserved a warning but the bisexual thing was just general banter.
He would be claiming that bisexuals inadvertently brought AIDS to the West. I've no idea if that is correct or not but how on earth would that be "offensive"? If he had said that he believed members of the US Army had inadvertently brought AIDS to America, would that be an offensive opinion?
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:24
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You are joking right?
I don't think it was fake either.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:38
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I don't think it was fake either.
Even though it's been explicitly stated to be fake by C5? Even though he's been interviewed by The Sun where they provide a far more plausible quote?

Even though the poster of the transcript has posted so-called predictions that turned out to be bullshit in the past?
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:41
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I still don't understand this though. His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past and that is how a lot of females contracted the disease. It was a disease that was ultimately spread by homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.

His comments about the showers were well below the belt and definitely deserved a warning but the bisexual thing was just general banter.
You can forget the bisexual thing, Biggins was ejected because of the gas chamber joke. It was the discussions with lawyers and Endemol that delayed his exit. The aids chat gave them a convenient juncture to confirm his fate.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:43
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I'd like to know how Katie's comment lead to his comment, as it doesn't seem to follow.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:45
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I still don't understand this though. His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past and that is how a lot of females contracted the disease. It was a disease that was ultimately spread by homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.

His comments about the showers were well below the belt and definitely deserved a warning but the bisexual thing was just general banter.
Whereabouts was it general banter?
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:45
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I still don't understand this though. His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past and that is how a lot of females contracted the disease. It was a disease that was ultimately spread by homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.

His comments about the showers were well below the belt and definitely deserved a warning but the bisexual thing was just general banter.
Nobody should be ejected for a joke. His derogatory comments towards women in the first week didn't even seem to get him a warning. You could argue that was also a "joke" or just "banter".

But of course prejudice towards some groups is more acceptable than others.

Either nothing he has said is below the belt or everything is.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:49
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Even though it's been explicitly stated to be fake by C5? Even though he's been interviewed by The Sun where they provide a far more plausible quote?

Even though the poster of the transcript has posted so-called predictions that turned out to be bullshit in the past?
Bottom line, the 'fake transcript', when you compare it, word for word, with what we now know he actually said, is way too close to the reality of him. As for the Sun interview, him making sure to tell everyone how liberal he is by living in Hackney and having black neighbours screams damage control. Why would he even say that if he hadn't said something contentious in the house about those same black people that he apparently loves to live beside? Come on.

We'll probably never know what was actually said but It's really not surprising that some of us feel the 'fake' protestations by Ch.5/CBB should be taken with a truckload of cynical salt.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:56
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Even though it's been explicitly stated to be fake by C5? Even though he's been interviewed by The Sun where they provide a far more plausible quote?

Even though the poster of the transcript has posted so-called predictions that turned out to be bullshit in the past?
They'll keep insisting to themselves that the transcript is real no matter how OTT it seemed at the time or the official debunking since.

The fake transcript doesn't even match the context in which the concentration camp was said. Biggins has said it came after an argument between some of the housemates in the bedroom whilst the transcript suggests it came from a general conversation.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:56
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Bottom line, the 'fake transcript', when you compare it, word for word, with what we now know he actually said, is way too close to the reality of him. As for the Sun interview, him making sure to tell everyone how liberal he is by living in Hackney and having black neighbours screams damage control. Why would he even say that if he hadn't said something contentious in the house about those same black people he loves to live beside? Come on.

We'll probably never know what was actually said but It's really not surprising that some of us feel the 'fake' protestations by Ch.5/CBB should be taken with a truckload of cynical salt.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't trust C5 or the Sun as far as I could throw them.

I'm just saying while they have very little credibility, the guy who posted the transcript has literally ZERO credibility and nothing really to lose from posting rubbish.

And that's not taking into account the transcript was clearly written in a satirical manner.

The transcript really is a million miles away from what has been reported in The Sun. A one off joke is not the same as the prolonged, calculated racial rampage he was purported to have gone on.
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Old 07-08-2016, 18:59
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Bottom line, the 'fake transcript', when you compare it, word for word, with what we now know he actually said, is way too close to the reality of him. As for the Sun interview, him making sure to tell everyone how liberal he is by living in Hackney and having black neighbours screams damage control. Why would he even say that if he hadn't said something contentious in the house about those same black people that he apparently loves to live beside? Come on.

We'll probably never know what was actually said but It's really not surprising that some of us feel the 'fake' protestations by Ch.5/CBB should be taken with a truckload of cynical salt.
In his interview, he was "crying" & said he's got lots of friends who are bisexual, and has nothing against them... Then proceeded to say "I Do Think They F*** Up A Lot Of Relationships Though" Hmmmm.

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Old 07-08-2016, 19:18
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His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past.
Yeah but The ROLLING STONES have denied it.

Sorry.

I suppose it's all in the ear of the listener really how you choose to take what he was saying.

If you remove the other methods of passing AIDS that were more prevelent in the early days before they understood what it was (sharing needles being the big one) then it stands to reason that a bisexual individual could form a bridge between a homosexual and hetrosexual when it comes to passing the disease on.

But arguably there is something about what Biggins says that does appear a little more than just stating that. There is an underlying theme of 'blame' going on there. "It's a bisexual disease" - "A guy went to africa..." ..."bisexuals went to those countries, had sex with those people and brought it back to their families"

...one wonders whether the suggestion that a homosexual went to 'those countries' had sex with 'those people' brought it back here and later passed it on to a bisexual individual would be an alternative theory he would admit was a possibility? I suspect not. Nor do I suspect he would go along with the idea that a hetrosexual did. He seems fairly adamant that the disease was carried out of the country by a bisexual... Which is more than the World Health Organisation seem to know... and this coupled with the fact that he'd made his thoughts about bisexual's known just a few days earlier is what would edge me towards hearing it as a somewhat disparaging comment on them rather than an actual education on the history of the disease.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:33
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You can forget the bisexual thing, Biggins was ejected because of the gas chamber joke. It was the discussions with lawyers and Endemol that delayed his exit. The aids chat gave them a convenient juncture to confirm his fate.
No evidence of this, he was issued with a warning, apologised to BB and that was the end of the matter.

Besides, evicting someone for making an off colour or bad taste joke would be bonkers.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:33
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blimey, he really has a thing about bisexuals, is that all he talked about? is that what his calling card was going to be for BB? i guess it was different to always talking about panto and all the celebs he has meet..........Can you imagine being of that age and experiencing all the great things he has and all you could bring to the table is giggle and talk about bisexuals....

I wonder what were is the transcript for a discusion about black people in hackney? that i keep on seeing on the forum? I bet that also was linked to bisexuals too no doubt loooool
I agree. He talked in so many words of gays finally being accepted and not hated by everyone anymore and then starts blaming bisexuals for that killer disease. The double standards that he has is ridiculous!
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:38
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I still don't understand this though. His comments about bisexuals transmitting the disease are accurate. The WHO have admitted this in the past and that is how a lot of females contracted the disease. It was a disease that was ultimately spread by homosexuals, bisexuals and heterosexuals.

His comments about the showers were well below the belt and definitely deserved a warning but the bisexual thing was just general banter.
It wasn't just that conversation though. He had another conversation with Renee where he basically told her that bisexuality doesn't exist. That will have been very offensive to bisexuals/a lot of bisexuals out there.
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Old 07-08-2016, 19:49
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The thing I cannot understand is that Biggins was married to a woman in the early 70s, so you would think he would have a better understanding of bisexuality.
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