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Old 09-08-2016, 19:39
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Grant probably still had visions of Marnie swirling around his head to comprehend what they were asking him.
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Old 09-08-2016, 20:33
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Here I was thinking we were homogeneous.

Not really sure why you said that. It doesn't alter my statement. I honestly don't think they're smart enough to find anything offensive.

The might find something offensive if they're trained to find it offensive. Something racist or homophobic for example. But they wouldn't be able to tell you why it was offensive.
Maybe people just do what people do, like converse. Talk about issues and, yes, have opinions and see things from their own perspectives and life experiences. Nobody needs to be "trained" in offence taking. Maybe
Not everyone is offended because they may not always agree with others but are generous enough to allow others to speak. People need to debate, argue and share ideas and opinions. That is how we form our personalities and outlook on life. Not by toeing some kind of line which cant be crossed or questioned.
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Old 09-08-2016, 21:26
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Maybe people just do what people do, like converse. Talk about issues and, yes, have opinions and see things from their own perspectives and life experiences. Nobody needs to be "trained" in offence taking. Maybe
Not everyone is offended because they may not always agree with others but are generous enough to allow others to speak. People need to debate, argue and share ideas and opinions. That is how we form our personalities and outlook on life. Not by toeing some kind of line which cant be crossed or questioned.
I really think you misunderstood my post.

I said stupid people often find things offensive because they're conditioned too. It's known as stigmatisation. It's often used to change the way society reacts to certain things.
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Old 09-08-2016, 23:11
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It was nothing to do with Biggins' aids chat, it was the gas-chamber joke that got him chucked out.
What was that you said? A joke?
He got kicked out for a joke?
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Old 10-08-2016, 10:12
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Not really sure why you said that. It doesn't alter my statement. I honestly don't think they're smart enough to find anything offensive.

The might find something offensive if they're trained to find it offensive. Something racist or homophobic for example. But they wouldn't be able to tell you why it was offensive.
The more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to be offended by things. It is generally people of low intelligence who take offence as they are not able to rationalise the thing which they think is offensive. For example, if you look into the epidemiology of how AIDS spread you will find that bisexual males have been a significant factor in some geographical locations. That is a fact. What Biggins did was overstate it and demonstrate his personal prejudice against bisexuals. Many people are just too easily offended these days.
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:07
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The more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to be offended by things. It is generally people of low intelligence who take offence as they are not able to rationalise the thing which they think is offensive. For example, if you look into the epidemiology of how AIDS spread you will find that bisexual males have been a significant factor in some geographical locations. That is a fact. What Biggins did was overstate it and demonstrate his personal prejudice against bisexuals. Many people are just too easily offended these days.
I never said what Biggins said was offensive.

I obviously didn't explain my point well enough as people seem to have missed it. Though I do think you're wrong. Intelligent people are not less likely to be offended by things. They're just more likely to be able to explain why they think something is offensive in a rational manner. Stupid people just reach for their pitch forks.

Your argument seems to be that an intelligent person will rationalise away racism for example. Whereas I would suggest that an intelligent person would explain why they find a racist statement or a racist action offensive. I mean actual racism, by the by, not the witch-huntery kind.
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:24
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I said stupid people often find things offensive because they're conditioned too. It's known as stigmatisation. It's often used to change the way society reacts to certain things.
I'm not sure stupid is the appropriate word since people would react negatively to the idea that someone's calling them stupid. But yeah, people can be conditioned to respond in certain ways. It's fascinating. Makes me wonder who controls things like social media outrage. Are there those who steer the ship? Or is it simply directionless?

Wonder if the reason they haven't aired Biggins holocaust comments is because C5 fear a backlash of some kind?
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:44
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I'm not sure stupid is the appropriate word since people would react negatively to the idea that someone's calling them stupid. But yeah, people can be conditioned to respond in certain ways. It's fascinating. Makes me wonder who controls things like social media outrage. Are there those who steer the ship? Or is it simply directionless?

Wonder if the reason they haven't aired Biggins holocaust comments is because C5 fear a backlash of some kind?
Stupid is the wrong word. Perhaps naive would have been better.

The crux of my point is that it seems a lot of the "easily offended" first need to be told what to find offensive. I'm bisexual and whilst I thought Biggins was being prejudiced I was neither offended nor outraged by his comments. If the tabloids hadn't made such a big thing about it I doubt most people would have cared. That's what I meant about the HMs -- nobody told them to find his comments offensive so they didn't even notice them. A lot of people, not all, but a lot seem to take their cues from the media and then they get all worked up about it. Usually on the behalf of some group who don't actually care. You'll be hard pressed to find a bisexual who hasn't heard some variation of Biggins' comments before. We're used to hearing it. That doesn't make it right but it has desensitised us too it.

The Sun in particular seems determined to bring him down over what sounds like, in my view, a stupid but fairly harmless comment about Jews. I wouldn't of found it funny but I wouldn't have been outraged by it either. It wasn't like he was condoning he was just saying something silly in jest. Context seems to go out of the window with these things.
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