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Tom Watson: Labour is being infiltrated by "Trotsky entryists"
Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has been accused of "peddling baseless conspiracy theories" by Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign. It came after Mr Watson told the Guardian Labour was being infiltrated by "Trotsky entryists" who had "come back" to bolster Mr Corbyn. Mr Corbyn's campaign team said he should be trying to "unite" the party, rather than "patronising" members.
Mr Watson said he did not believe that the "vast majority" of Labour members that have joined the party are "all Trots and Bolsheviks". But he added: "But there are some old hands twisting young arms in this (leadership) process, and I'm under no illusions about what's going on. "They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that's how Trotsky entryists operate." "Sooner or later", he added, "that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it." Mr Watson said the "Trots" did not have the party's "best interests at heart", but saw it as a "vehicle for revolutionary socialism" and were "not remotely interested in winning elections". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37022656 Good grief so now the fight is on between Labour leader and deputy leader. Can this get any more shambolic?
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Labour's deputy leader Tom Watson has been accused of "peddling baseless conspiracy theories" by Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign. It came after Mr Watson told the Guardian Labour was being infiltrated by "Trotsky entryists" who had "come back" to bolster Mr Corbyn. Mr Corbyn's campaign team said he should be trying to "unite" the party, rather than "patronising" members.
Mr Watson said he did not believe that the "vast majority" of Labour members that have joined the party are "all Trots and Bolsheviks". But he added: "But there are some old hands twisting young arms in this (leadership) process, and I'm under no illusions about what's going on. "They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that's how Trotsky entryists operate." "Sooner or later", he added, "that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it." Mr Watson said the "Trots" did not have the party's "best interests at heart", but saw it as a "vehicle for revolutionary socialism" and were "not remotely interested in winning elections". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37022656 Good grief so now the fight is on between Labour leader and deputy leader. Can this get any more shambolic? ![]() Now on. |
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Ugh. Now big I am Burnham. He is so false.
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Do you know what people are sick of Kathy?
Yes Burnham, you, you optimistic chancer. |
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Just wait 'til the Leninists join the Trotskyists in Labour! Then the Stalinists! Then the Maoists!
Before we know it millions will be Labour members! ![]() (And me being assured on this forum down the years by some that the "hard Left" in this country can fit in a phone box!) |
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Just wait 'til the Leninists join the Trotskyists in Labour! Then the Stalinists! Then the Maoists!
Before we know it millions will be Labour members! ![]() (And me being assured on this forum down the years by some that the "hard Left" in this country can fit in a phone box!) |
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Has a person said that?
Where have all these "lefties" suddenly come from?
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Poor old Trotsky.........he died in 1940
You'd think the chatterati could come up with a more recent bogey-man |
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Yes. Several people down the years have said such things on numerous occasions.
Where have all these "lefties" suddenly come from? ![]() It came out of the blue as we were both on a bus home from the cancelled Lytham festival and politics hadn't previously been mentioned. I put it down to the Branch Davidian effect.
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Poor old Trotsky.........he died in 1940
You'd think the chatterati could come up with a more recent bogey-man |
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Of course, it's merely a coincidence that the Socialist Worker Party and TUSC posters and banners are always in evidence when JC the Messiah is delivering his sermons around the country.
And the less said about the Momentum leadership, the better. |
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The blond guy is coming across a bit thuggish.
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You would think that given the experience of Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Brezhnev, Trotsky, Castro, Mugabe . Pol Pot, or Chavez, and the failure of all their economies, that no one with any sense would believe anything Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao or their fellows on the hard left had written. Yet we have Labour being taken over by members of the SWP and TUSC, a hard left Labour leader , a shadow Chancellor who reads Mao , and an inner circle of stalinists around Corbyn, stopping him from going back to his allotment
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The blond guy is coming across a bit thuggish.
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You would think that given the experience of Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Brezhnev, Trotsky, Castro, Mugabe . Pol Pot, or Chavez, and the failure of all their economies, that no one with any sense would believe anything Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao or their fellows on the hard left had written. Yet we have Labour being taken over by members of the SWP and TUSC, a hard left Labour leader , a shadow Chancellor who reads Mao , and an inner circle of stalinists around Corbyn, stopping him from going back to his allotment
There are plenty of right wing dictatorships that have failed miserably, and there are plenty of nations in the world today that are run for the benefit of a tiny minority of their population. They are just as much "failures" in my opinion. |
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You can't just lump them all together though. Studied separately, several of those leaders introduced systems and a way of life for the majority of their people that was infinitely better than what had existed previously.
There are plenty of right wing dictatorships that have failed miserably, and there are plenty of nations in the world today that are run for the benefit of a tiny minority of their population. They are just as much "failures" in my opinion. |
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I have no idea what a Trostkyist is.
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I have no idea what a Trostkyist is.
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Has a person said that?
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Is that true?
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Did it occur to you to google the term?
![]() I suspect most other people don't really know what a Trotskyist is, either. Maybe something to do with Alexei Sayle. Or something to do with ice picks. Vaguely associated with communism. Who knows! It sounds like a throwback to an era when such things were in vogue, but you have to wonder what Tom Watson is getting at here. If anything, it makes him sound old-fashioned, by using language that is decades out of date, that has little relevance in a modern context and to normals. |
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No. Never heard of Google
![]() I suspect most other people don't really know what a Trotskyist is, either. Maybe something to do with Alexei Sayle. Or something to do with ice picks. Vaguely associated with communism. Who knows! It sounds like a throwback to an era when such things were in vogue, but you have to wonder what Tom Watson is getting at here. If anything, it makes him sound old-fashioned, by using language that is decades out of date, that has little relevance in a modern context and to normals. |
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You would think that given the experience of Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Brezhnev, Trotsky, Castro, Mugabe . Pol Pot, or Chavez, and the failure of all their economies, that no one with any sense would believe anything Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao or their fellows on the hard left had written. Yet we have Labour being taken over by members of the SWP and TUSC, a hard left Labour leader , a shadow Chancellor who reads Mao , and an inner circle of stalinists around Corbyn, stopping him from going back to his allotment
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No. Never heard of Google
![]() I suspect most other people don't really know what a Trotskyist is, either. Maybe something to do with Alexei Sayle. Or something to do with ice picks. Vaguely associated with communism. Who knows! It sounds like a throwback to an era when such things were in vogue, but you have to wonder what Tom Watson is getting at here. If anything, it makes him sound old-fashioned, by using language that is decades out of date, that has little relevance in a modern context and to normals.
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