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Old 09-08-2016, 20:35
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Of course not, they always fail to mention the millions of their own citizens they killed.
If they took over as a result of a revolution or civil war, I'd say that was pretty much unavoidable.
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Old 09-08-2016, 20:35
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Same

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Old 09-08-2016, 20:38
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Like " Comrade"?
I haven't heard that used, except in comedy, for at least three or four decades either.
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Old 09-08-2016, 20:44
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I haven't heard that used, except in comedy, for at least three or four decades either.
I know, it was a comedy word for decades, and now it's used all the time by "establishment" politicians such as the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.
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Old 09-08-2016, 20:53
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I'm confused. Is Tom Watson still deputy leader with Corbyn as PM or has he resigned, because if I were leader he'd be out. Hell, if I were leader he'd probably be on the run from the secret police right now if Labour really was infiltrated by the people he seems to think it is.

Does he check for reds under his bed before he goes to sleep?
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Old 09-08-2016, 20:57
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I'm confused. Is Tom Watson still deputy leader with Corbyn as PM or has he resigned, because if I were leader he'd be out. Hell, if I were leader he'd probably be on the run from the secret police right now if Labour really was infiltrated by the people he seems to think it is.

Does he check for reds under his bed before he goes to sleep?
Tom Watson has a massive mandate too, him and Jewemy compare them daily.

It would be undemocratic to get rid of the person the union paymasters are trying to hang onto.
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Old 09-08-2016, 21:02
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I know, it was a comedy word for decades, and now it's used all the time by "establishment" politicians such as the Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Credit where it is due must surely go to Angela Eagle's "Keep it Comradely" campaign for this one?
https://www.keepitcomradely.org.uk/

"Real Leadership" as they used to say, before Comrade Smith usurped Comrade Eagle's attempt to usurp Comrade Corbyn.
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Old 09-08-2016, 21:05
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Astounding

However, allies admit that plans for policymaking at conference are less than complete, given the chaos of the Labour leadership election. The party’s policy forum, scheduled to meet in July, has still not met.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...byn-tom-watson

The thought of this bunch of numpties ever running the country is risible.
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Old 09-08-2016, 21:41
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Tom Watson has a massive mandate too, him and Jewemy compare them daily.

It would be undemocratic to get rid of the person the union paymasters are trying to hang onto.
And besides, you don't have to tell the deputy leader boring things like you've nominated someone for a peerage when you said you'd never do it. He might have said it wasn't a good idea or something, and the Leader is Never Wrong.
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Old 09-08-2016, 21:47
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You would think that given the experience of Lenin, Stalin, Mao. Brezhnev, Trotsky, Castro, Mugabe . Pol Pot, or Chavez, and the failure of all their economies, that no one with any sense would believe anything Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao or their fellows on the hard left had written. Yet we have Labour being taken over by members of the SWP and TUSC, a hard left Labour leader , a shadow Chancellor who reads Mao , and an inner circle of stalinists around Corbyn, stopping him from going back to his allotment
Very depressing isn't it ?
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Old 09-08-2016, 21:56
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If they took over as a result of a revolution or civil war, I'd say that was pretty much unavoidable.
The typical defending of their attrocities also, do you know anything about Stalin or Mao?
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:02
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Just wait 'til the Leninists join the Trotskyists in Labour! Then the Stalinists! Then the Maoists!

Before we know it millions will be Labour members!

(And me being assured on this forum down the years by some that the "hard Left" in this country can fit in a phone box!)
AHH but in the ever changing and contradictory excuses to attack people who have the audacity not to agree with them, I don't think they mentioned that the phone box in question was in fact the tardis, but it will be 'obvious' that they were talking that particular phone box.
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:02
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The typical defending of their attrocities also, do you know anything about Stalin or Mao?
Yes, but they were a bit better than what went before them apparently.
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:04
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Would anyone believe a word Tom Watson said, given his background in black ops for Gordon Brown?
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:05
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Yes, but they were a bit better than what went before them apparently.
I thought Stalin & Mao murdered millions of their own countrymen who dared to disagree with them .
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:08
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I thought Stalin & Mao murdered millions of their own countrymen who dared to disagree with them .
They did, but they were totalitarian regimes not truly representative of "the left" ....l think that's how it goes
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:12
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Yes, but they were a bit better than what went before them apparently.
They weren't, Stalin killed 27 million of his own people and Mao even more.
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Old 09-08-2016, 22:15
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They weren't, Stalin killed 27 million of his own people and Mao even more.
Please don't let facts get in the way of the lefts revisionist history.
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Old 09-08-2016, 23:30
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Astounding

However, allies admit that plans for policymaking at conference are less than complete, given the chaos of the Labour leadership election. The party’s policy forum, scheduled to meet in July, has still not met.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...byn-tom-watson

The thought of this bunch of numpties ever running the country is risible.
There really aren't any worse than the numpties running it. I mean, look at the us now on the verge of years of decline because of that ruddy referendum.
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Old 09-08-2016, 23:31
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Just wait 'til the Leninists join the Trotskyists in Labour! Then the Stalinists! Then the Maoists!

Before we know it millions will be Labour members!

(And me being assured on this forum down the years by some that the "hard Left" in this country can fit in a phone box!)
They must have meant a phone box like the Dr's Tardis
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Old 10-08-2016, 01:54
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The typical defending of their attrocities also, do you know anything about Stalin or Mao?
More than you I expect. I'm just pointing out that all the world's atrocities were not committed by leaders from the ideological "left". Some of the favourite targets of those on the right actually improved the lives of the majoirity by seizing power. And just as many right wing dictatorships, absolute monarchies, or other nations with totalitarian rule, butchered its citizens or starved them to death.
The USA and its post war "better dead than red" policy propped up many tyrants and corrupt regimes that still haunt the world today.
I'm just looking for some balance.
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Old 10-08-2016, 09:04
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Originally Posted by RichmondBlue;835201f94
More than you I expect. I'm just pointing out that all the world's atrocities were not committed by leaders from the ideological "left".
Nobody said they were? just that when talking about the Trotskyist/Marxist/hard left/whatever the millions murdered under Stalin's regime (as an extreme example) or anything that shows the system needed repression to keep opponents down is played down or ignored because to admit that sort of thing went on would mean the ideology and the Leader is not only not perfect but as culpable as any other of using any means 'necessary' to gain and keep power.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:51
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There is a new bit in this saga on Channel 4 news.

Watson is like a dog with a bone, he now wants answers to written questions and it is Corbyn he wants them from.

Seems like a do or die mission to get the leadership.
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Old 10-08-2016, 21:23
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There is a new bit in this saga on Channel 4 news.

Watson is like a dog with a bone, he now wants answers to written questions and it is Corbyn he wants them from.

Seems like a do or die mission to get the leadership.
Yep Tom & Jerry show has continued today...

Watson sent the leader’s office a four-page document, based on publicly available information, detailing what he said was evidence that Trotskyists had been attending meetings of grassroots pro-Corbyn Momentum pressure group and seeking to influence the Labour leadership election.
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Watson’s letter was a riposte to the accusation made on Tuesday by Corbyn’s campaign that he was “peddling conspiracy theories” after he said in a Guardian interview that Labour was at risk from “Trotskyist entryists”.

Watson wrote: “It’s not a conspiracy theory to say that members of these organisations are joining Labour. It’s a fact.”
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...r-infiltration
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Old 10-08-2016, 21:31
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Nobody said they were? just that when talking about the Trotskyist/Marxist/hard left/whatever the millions murdered under Stalin's regime (as an extreme example) or anything that shows the system needed repression to keep opponents down is played down or ignored because to admit that sort of thing went on would mean the ideology and the Leader is not only not perfect but as culpable as any other of using any means 'necessary' to gain and keep power.
Seems a little harsh to blame Trotsky for Stalin's mass murder (not that you particularly just did, but it seems to be the way this thread's going following Watson's invocation of the fella), given that he'd been exiled several years before it happened. For disagreeing with Stalin. Trotsky was a *victim* of Stalin's "leader is always right" shenanigans, rather than a perpetrator.
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