most people know it is added scripted things and these reality shows dont make secret about that hence why they mention it at the begining of every episode

to me it was a trash tv show from day one it is what it is, i remember the first series with people being naked showing their breats and swearing lots and having trashy convos. you act like the royal family was on channel 4 big brother days lool.

"They" watch it in the vain hope that interesting people like James Whale in this years house might actually get shown.

I suspect those who watch those shows don't even know what 'scripted' means.

I think you are misremembering, to be honest.
NIcola showed her breasts and I think that was it.

like i said its always been trash to me, only difference now is that there are more hms and that there are other trashy tv shows as well so people are simply exxagerating. when bb started their were only ten hms now we sometimes have up to 20 in a whole series.

I know, it's mindblowing lol

loool i remember being 13 years old and my mum telling me to change the channel after melanie putting her bum out in some blokes face and the bird with the short hair being carried around naked by some other bloke while he was constantly swearing and talking about sex positions so dont evan go there lool.
my mum never let me watch things with nudity swearing or anything related to that sort when i was younger hence why i rmemebered in the first place. her exact words that day to me was change this trash right now you are not to watch it in her heavy cockney accent lool.

If it's always been trash to you why have you watched? jeez! You're explanation of just why you think it's trash 'number of housemates' is just plain nonsense!

I disagree. BB yes (if that's what you meant?). CBB a lot different, imo. I stopped watching the civvy BB years ago BECAUSE of these problems. But, I have enjoyed watching CBB - But, in the last 2 years, I'd say it's taken a turn for the worse. Perez and Farrah were ragingly irritating, but they were the one main problem in a house full of other interesting individuals. This season, we now have FOUR of these types. So, my gripe is, this could perhaps be the first CBB in which I turn off. I'm hoping it's going to change over the next few days, otherwise, I'll just wait till Jan 2017. If it's the same old turgid crap the, I'll turn off for good. But, it's a shame because I always thought CBB generally had a good format, but obviously, it's all down to personal opinion.

Thy are famous for sleeping around on the tv plus drinking themselves into an early grave I prefer to see someone that has earned there place in the celebrity World and have a talent hey have used well

Don't even go there? lol How old are you...14?
I never mentioned the swearing ?

I'm sure the only breasts flashed were Nicola when she did the naked clay painting.

There wasn't the obligatory snogging/feeling up/grinding/sex chat/vulgarity/ there is now.

BTW how do you remember it if your mum never let you watch it ?

In writing or in audio for it is perhaps possible many of them can't read.

Seriously though I dunno gg, I really don't see the attraction in watching scripted shows with poor acting but hey Hollyoaks does decent ratings so I guess there's a market.

I don't care if they are from reality TV, soaps, theatre, pop, whatever. I just want to see ALL the housemates, learn a bit about them, see something interesting and perhaps have my perceptions changed about somebody.

I don't care whether there's nudity or not - I'm not shocked or bothered by nudity, nor am I by sex - I just don't want to see sex because it takes valuable minutes from the very short highlights show.

If they are going to show the antics of the most lewd, then I feel they should give equal time to the other housemates, so that we can make an informed opinion about what is going on in that house - not just with one section of those living there. I want an overall view of their day, I want to know what the others are doing and talking about - whether it's boring or not, I think they deserve equal time.

I will say I enjoyed Tiffany last year - she came from reality, but she won us all around because she was hysterical and shook it up a bit - but not too much; she was lovable enough to win us over.

I will say I think the only person who surprised me so far from Geordie Shore was Scotty T - I actually quite liked him. I knew nothing about him before-hand except for the name of the show he was on. He seemed likeable, was amiable, didn't behave at all like I expected. He wasn't brash, all the housemates liked him. He just seemed like a (mostly) pleasant guy. So I didn't mind him winning.

I find myself not minding Marnie either - when she's talking to other housemates and hanging out with them she seems likeable, there's nothing much I object to about her to be honest. I'm the opposite with Lewis - I thought he seemed okay at first, but he's got worse and worse, more big-headed as time's gone on, and I'm really not liking him much now.

He said in another post that his Mum never let him watch it ??

It wasn't so bad when they first started having the structured reality people (like with Sam Faires and Mario from Towie), as they were being themselves so fair game. However, the last year or so they've been told to be the TV persona and not themselves, as it's what they're used to and will create more drama to keep them in.

Plus, due to the nature of structured reality, where they have extremely high numbers of followers, so they can keep up with the stories between the programmes, they are going to get more votes, so a high likelihood of winning.

It's too fake to be interesting on a psych level so they become dull to watch. Bear winds people up to give us entertainment to watch their reactions, however, it makes it slapstick humour, like a clown pushing someone over, rather than watchung true clashes of personality in a more complex and thought provoking way.

I think people are misunderstanding what scripted/structured reality is. The situations are scripted but their reactions/dialogue isn't

As Gemma Collins said, they will ask her what she is going to do and then suggest she talk about X subject whilst doing it. They don't write the script of what the discussion should be.

"If I was to say I was going to the gym tomorrow and taking Arg with me to have a personal training induction. They'll be like 'right we want to follow this, so they'll say write it into a script'," she said.

She added: "But when you get to the gym, they might say you know Sam Faiers is going on a date with someone else from the show tonight, so you need to talk about that with Arg." http://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/4...th-about-towie

Pity she doesn't oversee his internet DS contributions

Also to add that now it's been revealed that Chloe is living with her husband in suburbia and we saw Bear had sussed the argument between Lewis and Moanie was planned as he said they have the same agent, it's all just one big fake shambles.

Hoping BB will think differently next time around.

My only opposition to a reality TV star winning is that is gives them validation as a decent human being and support for their talentless attention seeking ways.

Yeah, this is it for me too. I liked Olly from MIC when he was in but it's the formulaic bullshit and the 'winning formula' of 1XTowie, 1xGeordie, 1XEOTB that the producers seem determined to foist on us now. Just mix it up a bit. Having Heavy offStorage Hunters was a great move in terms of at least getting someone in from another reality programme. Of course, the risk you run by having more reality people in like this is that bigger, more established names will probably turn it down and you're less likely to see a good mix in there (though Bigginsgate will probably put some off too!)

Your mum was right ...Now get to bed !

Isn't that slightly contradictory? You're saying that older viewers should accept the younger 'celebs' but then so should the younger viewers accept the older 'celebsk and not question why somebody famous 30 years ago should be in it and what they bring to it.

You seem sure that they market they're chasing is the young reality show one but i'm not sure that is true. Yes of course they want those viewers they want the Twitter buzz but if they've any sense they will also want the professional, affluent viewers as that is who Advertisers want to target and advertising venue is still the most important thing on any commercial tv station.

To a certain extent, somebody like Sam Fox was the reality star of her day. She was famous for displaying her tits in 'The Sun' but also for her private life and was constantly in the tabloids. She used to appear on chat shows a lot, she presente shows, albeit quite badly.

Think of a reality star now and have a think whether you'd be interested iin seeing what they are like, how they've grown/aged in 30 years time when you will also be 30 years older.

I don't resent the younger ones being in - there should be a spread in types and that is age, nationality, sexuality, profession, experience. I do think it is a shame that we are seeing less and less of genuine human interaction (from young or older housemates) as those people whose profession is reality tv take centre stage with the antics they believe will get screen time.

Re it changing, change is a part of life and sometime i, as a middle aged person accept. I don't expect it to be exactly as it was in 2000. It had changed after only 2 years and that's fair enough. If it hadn'( evolved, it would probably have died.

But, we can express regret at how much it has changed.

Also, i think you might be misjudging some of us older viewers. As it happens i watch 'Made In Chelsea' and various other reality shows. I have liked some of the younger housemates over the years. I liked Scotty T in January and felt he was a worthy winner. Also, some older celebs clearly are popular or they wouldn't make it through to the finale night in such shows - like Biggins or Tony Blackburn winning IAC and Barrymore coming 2nd (which was effectively a win given the circumstances that season) in CBB those years ago.

I judge purely on what happens in there. What i object to is not seeing much from a lot of housemates because the show seems to think everybody just wants to watch people flashing their private areas, sticking their tongues down each others throats or kicking off just for screen time.

The whole thing about Sam Fox being a National Treasure and Marnie being a grim slapper is ludicrous. Sam Fox was scandalous in the 80s and for years she literally did nothing but get her tits out.

Marnie has never done topless modelling - who cares if she's a serial monogamist?

I agree with some of that the reality bandwagon does give a lot of them a bit of a bit of unfair advantage I am an older viewer now as well but I have managed to adapt to the changes in the show.

When biggins and Blackburn were winning it was a very different reality outlook in that there was no TOWIE or Geordie shore at this point. Even the jungle was the default reality show for the older celeb but the likes of Vicky Pattison winning that now as well.

There probably has to be a balance how you get the balance I am not sure, although Sam fox and her holier attitude to her "career" is laughable if she would have been born 25 years later she would have been in ex on the beach etc