Hi there Miss Wasp, i've just thought Heavy D stole that of Basil Brush

I use it because it is the easiest way of identifying that group, i have no wish to type out all 4 (or 5 when Heavy is involveds) names each time.

Also because it sums up the 'pack' mentality of that group. They act as one, ganging up on anybody they feel like, their victim (again Lewis' word) for their own enjoyment.

That would be 5 then, as If Bear got thrown out for smashing mirror then Aubrey should be as well for spitting in food and drink

But I suppose that's alright because it was Bears.

You always have to take a view on initiating litigation, it can cost you dear. They may find a good lawyer perhaps willing to act on their behalf, but Channel 5 can afford the best there is. If they went ahead with a civil claim and lost not only would they not get the fees C5 would have paid them for appearing in the show, they will have to pay their own solicitor's fees and would also be also be responsible for C5's fees which would be huge. I'm not saying there's no merit here but litigation in such circumstances would be a real tough call.

Aubrey's actions don't make Bear's any better.

Cope with it.

I would love to see everyone except the squad walk out. The foul foursome were drunk and strutting around the garden on LF last night saying it was their house now and implying they'd just pick off the others.

That just DEPRESSES me.

All you are saying is that the ordinary celebs don't have an effin' chance.

Which is why I think they should just effing WALK.

At least that would eff C5 up a bit.

I've actually edited my initial post, it wasn't quite on point. I'm only pointing out how risky it would be, not that there's no effing chance.

You're right, I loved Basil Brush.

How would you feel if the same person was destroying your food constantly taking all the alcohol I get that he is a joker but at whose expense jokes are funny when they don't hurt people I notice every time there's been a party and he has t been involved he just goes right ahead and helps himself he has no morals or empathy for Anyone even the girl he was seeing when asked it was all about what he wanted not one word about how she may feel

Me neither, I've never liked her nor her 'I'm a strong woman' bullshit.

Just about every time I saw her, she was either blubbing, on the verge of blubbing or scolding some poor sod as though they're one of her offspring.

There's not been a single Loose Woman on that show that I've liked, even though some I really liked beforehand eg Carol McGiffin.

The only thing I give her a tiny bit of credit for is not playing it completely safe - their usual MO

[quote=abbieunique;83524883]Funny I was just thinking earlier, imagine what would happen if half the house quit
Then see how the producers like that! Or would they just throw in more towies
They should walk and say its not like we are needed![/QUOTE

Bear and Chloe aren't from Towie and Lewis tries to calm Bear down.

That's another good point as to how they could get money back. After all, if they've already had their fee docked for breaking their contract, what more could Ch5 do to stop them. Sue them for libel i suppose but if they're telling the truth in their exclusives, then that would be proven in any court case which would demand the tapes of unseen footage as evidence.

I doubt Ch5 would want to risk it.

I also don't see any celeb that doesn't come from the Reality house agreeing to do this show in the future. It used to be a fairly even playing field in that everybody in there was also a celeb (though maybe better or lesser known) but equally invested in coming out with the reputation not only in tact, but hopefully improved by the experience. And that they wpuld probably be treated a little better than Civilian Big Brother re degradation and humiliation.

That really isn't the case anymore.

I think the only hope is to have two different versions of CBB. One which is made up purely of reality show stars, British and American or You-Tube stars. And one that is made up of actors, Politicians, journalists, singers who are likely to be more careful and yes, boring in their actions as they have an image to protect.

TONIGHT! The divide in the House grows, and... could this be a #CBB first?! Don't miss it: @Channel5_tv at 9pm.

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Oh FGS! Trapped inside an environment with people like that who are draining the life energy out of the house to reinforce their own, and you expect people to ignore it and just have fun? Have you ever had the misfortune of living with anybody like that? It's impossible to do your own thing and have fun without them muscling in and ruining it for everybody while having a laugh at their expense. Sorry to sound like a tree hugging hippy but, energy bad or good can infect a whole household. The Nursery Squad have got to a point where it's draining the rest of the house. Why can't they just piss off into a corner and have fun? Because they can't do it without forcing the interaction of the other housemates to revolve around their antics and cause them to be the monumental focus of it all. They would dry up and die without an audience.

Yes, remove the older housemates by all means, but then we are just left with the same old, seedy and very predictable antics that they get up to on their other shows. How about they actually bring some frickin' originality for once and allow certain pockets to evolve and do their own thing and have a good old clash once in a while? How about bringing some much needed humour and insights to the screen? Never gonna happen. Where already half way through and most can fairly predict the outcome from this standpoint.

The biggest problem BB have may not surface until next year when they try to recruit celebs for a new series. The show may now be perceived as under-21s late night E4 entertainment.

That is exactly it. If they walked now they would lose their fee, and all that would have been a waste.

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They're still from reality TV - Ex on the Beach and originally X Factor.

I actually disagree about Lewis calming them down as well. He was the one that came up with the original dare for Marnie to Saira though Bear then embellished it to make it worse, Lewis was the one who talked about keaving Saira alone and moving onto James, implying he was a ringleader in what could be considered bullying he was the one who hid (stole) the wine and then kicked off with Heavy a few nights ago.

The problem with this al_capo is most people who have made it very clear they don't appreciate his personality or particularly like his brand of humour have got to the point where they have said, look, do your thing, we'll do ours, leave us alone. That's the PROBLEM. Bear is unable to leave people alone. He ceases to exist if he is not interacting in a negative way with them. He NEEDS to cause mayhem within the group. If they want to do their own thing and he's not part of it - He HAS to ruin if for them, so the attention lands squarely back on him.

He is a useless, spiteful baby demanding attention from a room almost full of adults. Whether they are well-adjusted adults in the average man/woman's terms maybe debatable, but because of Bear's attitude, it is infecting the whole house negatively. Something he thrives on!

Yes, you can say, 'oh, just humour him' but until you live in a house with a vile narcissist, you cannot humour them. They despise harmony with a passion. They only feel harmony within themselves when they are hurting, destroying, and making people feel uncomfortable. That's what makes them tick! They have to create discourse, even within their supporters, because without it, conversations move on, cliques form, and his 'power' ceases to impact them. He has to cause waves to be relevant. He is the king in his little own universe and he will damn well make sure everybody is talking about him. If it's negative talk, we and the house will just be accused of being jealous of his position. Humour him, my arse. I think it's crystal clear, people have moved above and beyond with this cretin.

Excellent post

Good post.

It's not as though the toddlers are just having their own fun without bothering other people. They do,'t seem to be able to enjoy themselves without it affecting the other housemates. They intentionally do things within their Line of vision and then watch for the reaction - Chloe's 'massage' of Bear as a prime example yesterday.

There have also been times when the housemates have been relaxing and possibly trying to have what they consider to be fun (not just sitting in the bedroom bitching) and been deliberately disturbed for the others amusment like Marnie trying to provoke Saira with her tit wagging (and clearly the point of that was to upset as Bear, Lewis and Heavy all loved seeing Saira "trying not to react" straight afterwards) and Bear breaking all the eggs yesterday when they were just sitting talking. Also the goading of James early on and the ruddy Coftail the other day.

Just a thought, maybe they 'sit in the bedroom bitching' as Saira alleged is because the Toddlers (my new name for them if we don't like 'The Squad') completely monopolies the Garden:Pool area once alcohol is provided with their drunken, lewd behaviour and they just don't want to watch it?

Another excellent, perceptive post.

It's like when he said that he didn't want anybody that nominated him on Friday to ever speak to him again and Frankie asked if that went both ways? Bear said yes and Frankie said "do you promise"? Which I loved.

Frankie and the others would now be fine with no interaction at all between them and Bear but Bear won't/can't allow that to happen as he needs the attention. Hence it being an empty threat.

Couldn't agree more *nods*

Oh of course, at the end of the day the people that really benefit from any court case is the Lawyers and the Celebs might well not win - but if they didn as somebody else suggested, take out a Class suit, that would considerably lessen the individual costs and might make Ch5 wary of their ability to win. After all, one celebrity could probably be discredited fairly easily, but 6? Nearly half of the people hired for that particular series? And, of course, if they were found to have broken some employment laws (which i really think they might have, though I'm not a lawyer so can't know for sure but did study Law and have had a lot of dealings with Employment Law through my job) then the costs to them would be huge.

This isn't just a case of a Celeb kicking off about something trivial like not getting their own soft drink, or a personal laundry service and demanding to see their lawyer, it is potentially a Health and Safety, Duty of care or Bullying issue.

The threat of it from all 6 would hopefully make them pause for thought and consult with their own lawyers.

Exactly. Bear is like the eternal house fly. You start off being nice - you open the windows. he won't leave. You try to coax him out the door by using a tea towel/maniacal hand movements. He's still in your environment shitting, pissing and puking everywhere. You then go after him with a bloody fly squatter. He still ignores you and continues to tread his faeces all over the environment. By the time you blow a cylinder or two, your armed to the friggin' teeth with industrial strength fly spray because once he's been exterminated out of bloody existence will you ever be able to reach your Nirvana state again. Yet, up to that point you've been nice to him but he will not leave you alone!

The caterpillar that turned into a butterfly is an analogy that does not fit Bear at all. He is the maggot that blossomed into a raging Bluebottle.