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Old 10-08-2016, 19:10
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I was just telling you about the pinned post so you could PM it and actually ahve your thoughts heard

too long and faffy in my opinion to just quote bits but I am lazy and my Ipad doesn't like cutting and pasting.

personally I think the corrie issues are the writing and creative teams
You edited your post since but initially it was just another 5-second write off of a post which clearly took a while to write, whether its points are any good or not.

Basically saying "bless u luv but none of us want to read this, you should have sent it to Daniel privately"

Not addressing a single point I made.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:12
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I was just telling you about the pinned post so you could PM it and actually ahve your thoughts heard

too long and faffy in my opinion to just quote bits but I am lazy and my Ipad doesn't like cutting and pasting.

personally I think the corrie issues are the writing and creative teams
"long and faffy" ... once again really lovely of you. Fair enough you can't be bothered to quote any of the post

At least you've given your thoughts on Corrie though if I've been too verbose you've been the exact opposite, not a lot of substance in saying the issues are with the 'writing and creative teams' but oh well. Least it's not "faffy", even if it's substance-less
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:13
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why is it nasty , she is a terrible producer , she ruined my favourite soap
because you are essentially saying she is a crap producer with no explanation as to why. and is that bad she should give up her job! she won Emmerdale best soap so she can't be that bad!

She's overrated in my view. Blackburn and mcleod are getting alot of criticism but she's responsible for destroying so many characters in Emmerdale.
I haven't seen any criticism towards Iain?

Rhumble's not wrong though. She doesn't know how to tell a story - she's only good at scenes which can get the social media loons frothing at the mouth.
I didn't say they were right or wrong it is just their opinion thats all but it is all subjective the post gives no reason why unlike yours

I like Kate Oakes as a producer and think she has done some good work.

I think Iain is also good the transfer from Kate to Iain has been seemless
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:14
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Bore off, you know it's mean spirited to say my whole post is essentially rubbish, when it covers so many things. At least hone in on a few things and explain why it's rubbish instead of posting quickfire crap 5-second slagging off remarks. Bet you didn't even read it just leapt to write a response to make you feel better about yourself as a person or give you some sense of catty smug grandiosity or something.
I'm sorry is this a forum or some English coursework that I've handed in? If you want to believe I didn't read it all then go ahead but I actually did read it. I don't agree with some of your points. If you makes you feel any better here's one; I don't like when they film on location in Coronation street, I don't really like it in many of the soaps tbh, those episodes always feel odd to me and like a different show, the only place it works for me is Emmerdale because the location is so vast day to day.

And just because you tried to insult me at the end and put a smiley face changes nothing. Also, you must have my merchandise.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:16
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I'm sorry is this a forum or some English coursework that I've handed in? If you want to believe I didn't read it all then go ahead but I actually did read it. I don't agree with some of your points. If you makes you feel any better here's one; I don't like when they film on location in Coronation street, I don't really like it in many of the soaps tbh, those episodes always feel odd to me and like a different show, the only place it works for me is Emmerdale because the location is so vast day to day.

And just because you tried to insult me at the end and put a smiley face changes nothing. Also, you must have my merchandise.
At least you FINALLY wrote something with a bit of substance in reference to the original post. That wasn't too hard now was it? You don't like on location filming. I agree with you it makes it feel odd (especially when in Blackpool for example) and I wasn't advocating it being all the time, just now and then. Scenes at the Red Rec for example are always welcomed, and the Canal Street eps were fab IMO. Cutting back and forth between that and the Rovers and usual street spots made for some really dynamic episodes.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:17
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because you are essentially saying she is a crap producer with no explanation as to why. and is that bad she should give up her job! she won Emmerdale best soap so she can't be that bad!


its my opinion, Awards mean nothing to me , she took over ED and it became unwatchable at one stage with all her rubbish, now she has taken over Corrie i'm dreading it tbh , Blackburn is awful but at least some of the Corrie humour stayed.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:17
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You edited your post since but initially it was just another 5-second write off of a post which clearly took a while to write, whether its points are any good or not.

Basically saying "bless u luv but none of us want to read this, you should have sent it to Daniel privately"

Not addressing a single point I made.


why are you picking on me when I was being nice! Oh and I wasn't speaking for everyone at all, I know better than to speak for the Emmerdale lot they can speak for themselves

"long and faffy" ... once again really lovely of you. Fair enough you can't be bothered to quote any of the post

At least you've given your thoughts on Corrie though if I've been too verbose you've been the exact opposite, not a lot of substance in saying the issues are with the 'writing and creative teams' but oh well. Least it's not "faffy", even if it's substance-less
long and faffy, yes it is to edit and quote and mess on like I say, I was being honest would you rather I lied?

I didn't realise I had to write an essay. I will come back to you when I have done at least 500 words on the matter
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:18
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At least you FINALLY wrote something with a bit of substance in reference to the original post. That wasn't too hard now was it? You don't like on location filming. I agree with you it makes it feel odd (especially when in Blackpool for example) and I wasn't advocating it being all the time, just now and then. Scenes at the Red Rec for example are always welcomed, and the Canal Street eps were fab IMO. Cutting back and forth between that and the Rovers and usual street spots made for some really dynamic episodes.
Do I get a B+ sir?

I'm just not a fan of those, I like Coronation Street as a set. It's must lighter than EastEnders and more intimate than Hollyoaks.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:18
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its my opinion, Awards mean nothing to me , she took over ED and it became unwatchable at one stage with all her rubbish, now she has taken over Corrie i'm dreading it tbh , Blackburn is awful but at least some of the Corrie humour stayed.
why did you feel it was unwatchable?
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:18
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I wouldn't go that far.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:19
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why did you feel it was unwatchable?
Personality transplants and social media pandering are 2 of my main complaints
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:21
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why did you feel it was unwatchable?
Because if i don't to watch constant crime storylines, or pregnancy storylines , i'm not interested in a village full of children there must have been a 90% increase in children under Oates , plus she took away the humerous characters and re-wrote other characters backgrounds just to look for a sensational storyline
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:22
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why are you picking on me when I was being nice! Oh and I wasn't speaking for everyone at all, I know better than to speak for the Emmerdale lot they can speak for themselves
I apologise if you think I'm picking on you, I am generally feeling defensive in the face of - what I perceive to be - an unnecessarily hostile response from multiple members to a post I took a long time to write. Made me feel like shit, to be honest. So I'm defensive - no offence intended, your suggestion to PM to Daniel made me feel like you were saying no one wanted to hear it, or I was seeking some sort of glory or special status by not PMing to Daniel (hadn't even seen the pinned post, but will send to him too).

long and faffy, yes it is to edit and quote and mess on like I say, I was being honest would you rather I lied?
No, I was taking offence at you calling my post long and faffy. Now you've clarified that means in the sense of quoting - not the quality of some/all of the points I made - I understand your point. I still don't think you'd need to quote it to talk about part of it constructively.

I didn't realise I had to write an essay. I will come back to you when I have done at least 500 words on the matter
For goodness sake, you don't need to write a flipping essay. I just didn't like how people's responses focused on slagging me off or telling me I should have PM'd this to Daniel, then later a weird sort of notion I'd written the post for everyone to stick their tongues up my arse and bow at my feet in adoration!
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:23
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Also what's wrong with Issue led stories? I've enjoyed and learned loads from some in the past and it's sparked up many a conversation in my household like recently with Laurel and Ashley and his dementia and the way to treat/deal with an addict relative with Holly and Moira.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:24
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:24
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Also what's wrong with Issue led stories? I've enjoyed and learned loads from some in the past and it's sparked up many a conversation in my household like recently with Laurel and Ashley and his dementia.
Depends on the issue. If it's true to character like the dementia story or Laurel's alcoholism, fine. Issues will naturally play out as a result of good character work.

If it's random "play the white man" or foreign worker trafficking and the lark, no. Smacks of "pick an issue, morph a character to suit it, tick the box in our quota list".
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:26
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Depends on the issue. If it's true to character, fine.

If it's "play the white man" or foreign worker trafficking and the lark, no.
The sexual abuse storyline with Aaron was shocking the way they used it to reunite robron.

That's what I despise about Oates. Serious issue led storylines were treated in a flippant manner then ended abruptly
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:27
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Depends on the issue. If it's true to character, fine.

If it's "play the white man" or foreign worker trafficking and the lark, no.
But work trafficking is quite an important one tbh especially with the new world we live in maybe it's that if soaps choose to go down these routes they have to be brave with it and go far. I always remember Louise Berridges saying with issue storylines "you can't sensationalize them and you can't trivialize them". Soaps are sadly known for both.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:28
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The sexual abuse storyline with Aaron was shocking the way they used it to reunite robron.

That's what I despise about Oates. Serious issue led storylines were treated in a flippant manner then ended abruptly
Did the sexual abuse story not work very well with the character though? It seemed to me it wasn't that the sexual abuse SL was devised to reunite them but more to flesh out Aaron's story whilst giving Robert an opportunity to actually be there for him when he really needed him for a change.

I dunno, I do see your point but I don't think it was flippantly handled. Won a lot of awards that plot and good reviews in the press. I think it's a bit spurious to say it was a cheap issue-based plot for the sake of reuniting them.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:29
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Because if i don't to watch constant crime storylines, or pregnancy storylines , i'm not interested in a village full of children there must have been a 90% increase in children under Oates , plus she took away the humerous characters and re-wrote other characters backgrounds just to look for a sensational storyline
For me, Emmerdale is the most consistant, if you compare it to the ret-conning in Eastenders and Hollyoaks for storyline purposes it is a lot different. Like Aaron, it fits that they delved deeper to see why he cuts himself and why he is like he is I don't think that was a bad thing.

I do agree the crime stories were on the high side but some of them have been engaging.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:30
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But work trafficking is quite an important one tbh especially with the new world we live in maybe it's that if soaps choose to go down these routes they have to be brave with it and go far. I always remember Louise Berridges saying with issue storylines "you can't sensationalize them and you can't trivialize them". Soaps are sadly known for both.
The work trafficking storyline basically was a classic "slap an issue into the soap" without giving it legs. Why not make the poor girl a regular after this intro story? It was cheap, throwaway crap.

"Play the white man" as well, utter cringe-fest to try and do a trendy issue.

Revenge porn with Steph was pretty good though, that was an issue story which helped flesh out Steph's character a bit. An example of an issue-based story done right.

Blackburn's done more wrong than right where issue-based stuff is concerned IMO
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:31
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Did the sexual abuse story not work very well with the character though? It seemed to me it wasn't that the sexual abuse SL was devised to reunite them but more to flesh out Aaron's story whilst giving Robert an opportunity to actually be there for him when he really needed him for a change.

I dunno, I do see your point but I don't think it was flippantly handled. Won a lot of awards that plot and good reviews in the press. I think it's a bit spurious to say it was a cheap issue-based plot for the sake of reuniting them.
Awards are pretty meaningless unless their panel voted -the public are going to vote for their favourites so it's not spurious to say that at all.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:32
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its my opinion, Awards mean nothing to me , she took over ED and it became unwatchable at one stage with all her rubbish, now she has taken over Corrie i'm dreading it tbh , Blackburn is awful but at least some of the Corrie humour stayed.
She has absolutely NO sense of humour, is totally obsessed with pregnacy, has no original ideas and had no idea of Emmerdale history although she rehashed (badly) old storylines instigated by others. Watch out for some of her old Corrie scripts reappearing.
I agree awards are meaningless, voted for by the adherents of whatever fad is fashionable, not by genuine followers of the programme who don't need all the awards claptrap to know what they like.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:33
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The work trafficking storyline basically was a classic "slap an issue into the soap" without giving it legs. Why not make the poor girl a regular after this intro story? It was cheap, throwaway crap.

"Play the white man" as well, utter cringe-fest to try and do a trendy issue.

Revenge porn with Steph was pretty good though, that was an issue story which helped flesh out Steph's character a bit. An example of an issue-based story done right.

Blackburn's done more wrong than right where issue-based stuff is concerned IMO
But I think they are necessary otherwise what do we have in soaps? People chatting and sh*gging?
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:33
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Awards are pretty meaningless unless their panel voted -the public are going to vote for their favourites so it's not spurious to say that at all.
Sorry but you've mixed two separate points I made. I said the awards/press/social media reflected praise for the SL. Also the SL won panel awards as well as viewer ones so your whole post has fallen apart 😂

I separately said that the idea sexual abuse was used solely (or "flippantly" as you put it) as a cheap device to reunite Robron, is spurious.
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