There are 12 housemates in there

On one side of the 'divide' there are 4 housemates ... on the other side there are 8

In terms of of a nominating block, the group of 8 have an insurmountable advantage

In terms of support, the group of 8 are secure

It is the group of 4 who are the underdogs here ... there is no question of that

So why are people responding like it's the powerful group who are being repressed ?

I like the underdog---the group of 4 (Bear, Chloe, etc...).

On the LF tonight, Renee was colluding about the next set of nominations (for next friday) and made the sign language symbol for "L" and "C" (Lewis and Chloe....assuming Chloe isn't evicted). I hope BB puts the whole house up and makes it a double! I can't remember who Renee was colluding with but I think it was Ricky and Katie (maybe Aubrey). I think it is obvious and didn't even need Renee doing the coded talk with sign language but I'm glad she did since BB (if they want) can use that to put the whole house up.

First off - 4 top dog bullies often have dominance over huge groups of people. Did you ever go to high school?

2nd of all re: the noms - you've made the incorrect assumption that Big Brother follows a normal nomination process anymore, which they don't, the group just got to nominate for the next eviction.

Another thing to mention is that in the real world this group of 8 would just not associate with the 4 - but in this case they are being forced to. There is no way to avoid them - you just have to put up with obnoxious, offensive behaviour 24/7.

The 8 have no power. They are stuck in a situation where there is nothing they can doo.

The 4 are the ones acting awfully and the 8 don't like it, but because they're stuck in the BB house there is nothing they can do.

The eight have no power ?

There was a lot of nudge/wink stuff going on with live-feed tonight ... they're already planning the next set of nominations after Friday's eviction

Of course they have the upper hand ... they have the numbers, and that's what is allowing them to call the shots, however 'victimised' they pretend to be

The imbalance is 8 housemates vs 4 dominant characters supported by BIG BROTHER

Editing, Nomination format, Selective warnings, comments and opinion on BBOTS to save people that cause drama and keep us talking, etc.

On last nights BBOTS the vicar commented on Renees inability to forgive and forget but no comment on Bears inability to let go of slights against him. She also said that God had already forgiven Bear.

Removal of Biggins (rightly or wrongly) restricts the freedom of speech of controversial housemates like James Whale so they can brand him as boring and not doing anything.

Last nights warning "be prepared for highly offensive language nudity and risqué sexual activity which may distress some viewers". Why not edit it to remove material that may distress some viewers? Or is it okay to distress viewers without feeling a need to remove those housemates to set an example.

It's not 8 versus 4 it's a minority of 8 versus 4 plus the whole BB production

A real vicar? Bloody hell, that can't do much for their street cred, appearing on SOTS!

Well put and very true

Exactly so. On a level playing field, obviously the eight would be in a stronger position than the four, but fair play is a thing of the past in BB.

Work it out however you want to, Bear is still the winner.

He is? Have I missed the final?

You are completely having a laugh aren't you? The 4 of them "being repressed"? In what universe are they being repressed? They are wrecking havoc in the house and there's nothing the others can do about it as BB won't stop them or try to rein them in. Four dominant characters who have no filter and don't care how they behave, who they upset or annoy will always rule a group that is more passive. As many have said, have you never been to secondary school? How do 4 pupils who don't give a damn disrupt every lesson they are in, when there are 20 others who want to learn?

You are forgetting one thing. Really, it is not 4 v 8 as Big Brother is clearly on the side of the 4!!!!!

^^Agree, and add to that the 4 are allowed to attack the things a HM values most in the madness of being in that house
Food/drink
Sleep
Personal space.

You can be thrown out for saying something, but it is seemingly ok for a group to invade the few things that a HM should be able to rely upon.

Yes, an actual vicar

http://www.newhamstory.com/node/2601

But is it really 4 against 8?
The dominant 4 are a cohesive group, with a definite leader and a loyal pack. Also, they are 'roofless' when it comes to tactics and the game.
The 8 have not defined leader and have no cohesion. They have fence sitters like Katie, Frankie and Ricky, who will sit and interact with the enemy. If Renee steps up and takes control and the pack loyally follow her lead, they could destroy the 4. However, they are too wishy washy. The only time (apart from giant security guard) I have seen Bear rattled, was when the HMs ignored and wouldn't speak to him. Sadly, James started trying to explain why to Bear, so they lost the collective power. Frankie excepted Bear's offer of tea and a hug and Katie and Ricky sat with the enemy and talked about mums. If all 8 refused to engage, converse, eat with the 4, they would weaken them. Renee tried to rally the troops when she warned them not to dance with the devil, but they didn't listen. In Heavy, Renee has a strong, fearless, henchman, that neither Bear or Lewis will take on. The 8 need to adopt some of the 4's 'rooflessness', organise and take them down.

But if they did that BB would attempt to portray the 8 as the B word

I think at this stage, considering what the 4 have put the 8 through, that would be difficult angle to spin.

The 4 housemates need to pick the exact same 2 housemates to nominate. Its a game and thats the way to play it. If all of them choose Ricky and Katie for example, they would most likely be up, also atleast one of them would be sure to go I think.

Good grief!

BB are past masters at spinning though

During BB8 anyone who saw the LF saw that STFU was a controlling "b" word but the HLs would have us believe she was a lovable house mother

That's for sure! Mad old fun sucking bint was portrayed as an earth mother!
She was even protected on her eviction by going out with Monty!

Lest we forget. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6oieqastPg

BB producers are ensuring that the 4 have the advantage at all times.

Could never forget . What a nightmare she was.