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The nastiness of Saira when Chloe was in bed.
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Verence
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Speedy72:
“What about when Marnie's gang decided to bully and intimidate Saira with the bet?
Does that not count?”

Or when Lewis declared in the Dairy Room that The Squad had magnanimously decided to give Saira a day and would choose another victim...
An Thropologist
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“I wouldn't have had a problem if she'd have dug Chloe out one-on-one AT, it's the pack-attack that I have a problem with because for me - it smacked of cowardice.

I don't like that kind of shit and can't support it, sorry.”

No I don't disagree. But, while I don't think this exonerates Saira, from whom I would have expected better, the tone of pack mentality and rounding on an individual was set in week one. The first instance I recall was the pawing and patting of James by the three guys and then the pack approach to the dare that led to Marnie shaking her boobs in Saira's face.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but despite several motherly chats we have seen, Chloe has chosen to reject any well meant advice and has chosen her side and her actions. I do have some sympathy for the girl who seems to have very low self worth, but she is capable of making choices and very vocal about disparaging those who attempt to help her, with her "How dare they" attitude.
Speedy72
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Verence:
“Or when Lewis declared in the Dairy Room that The Squad had magnanimously decided to give Saira a day and would choose another victim...”

Oh yes, I'd completely forgotten about that.
Bunions
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“No I don't disagree. But, while I don't think this exonerates Saira, from whom I would have expected better, the tone of pack mentality and rounding on an individual was set in week one. The first instance I recall was the pawing and patting of James by the three guys and then the pack approach to the dare that led to Marnie shaking her boobs in Saira's face.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but despite several motherly chats we have seen, Chloe has chosen to reject any well meant advice and has chosen her side and her actions. I do have some sympathy for the girl who seems to have very low self worth, but she is capable of making choices and very vocal about disparaging those who attempt to help her, with her "How dare they" attitude.”

I hear you, I honestly do (there's a but coming ) but, I did stick up for Saira when Marnie did what she did because they targetted Saira and I hate that kind of thing.

I'm no fan of hers but you could see that she was upset and embarrassed by that incident and I think she ended up in bed in tears about it (could be wrong about that and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am).

Fast-forward a week and Saira's meting out worse crap than that which was done to her - all memories of how horrible it made her feel were gone.

And I'd go as far as to say that what she did to Chloe was worse because the 'flash' lasted seconds and Saira was adequately supported by James and others - whereas when she picked on Chloe, Chloe was alone.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned AT, but I expected better from her for a whole host of reasons such as age, maturity, intelligence etc etc etc.

Stooping to the level of the lowest common denominator or playing spiteful bitch top trumps with the idiots is just ridiculous.
exodus2u
11-08-2016
Chloe going to different groups describing Saira as a snake is what it's all about. It obviously got back to Saira and she decided to do what Chloe's boyfriend has been doing from the start. Take the p***
Dippydolly
11-08-2016
I thought Saira was hilarious tbh. About time someone gave it back to the squalid's.

Chloe knew the others were watching her bouncing up and down in bears lap and liked the attention, she also enjoyed going topless round the pole and doing goodness knows what in the shower.

She dishes it out does Chloe but can't take it
minxymoo
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“I think Saira knew that Chloe was awake and because of this, she started talking about what happened between Chloe and Bear. She knew that she couldn't get to Bear because he doesn't give a crap, so to try and get to Bear she started mocking Chloe when she knew that she was listening. You could see Saira's eyes looking in Chloe's direction every now and again when she talked about it. That laugh as well, talk about exaggerated. Saira just showed how nasty and cruel she could be. Also, Saira imitating what Chloe was doing when sitting on Bear's lap shows again how nasty and cruel she is.”

Shes a spiteful immature piece of work.incredibly childish for a woman of her age and supposed intelligence.jog on love you were neither entertaining or funny.her attempts to try and belittle Chloe simply made her look foolish.
Bagshot85
11-08-2016
Chloe reacted as most people who bully in packs do. She couldn't handle it.
If you think it's okay to target someone....do not be surprised if they target you back.
SIOPHIE_FIERCE
11-08-2016
I didn't see anything wrong with it. In the bedroom she was telling Ricky what had happened the previous night with a large dose of incredulity and humour. She didn't call Chloe any names and all she did was call them showmances. Don't see what's so offensive about that apart from the squad having their game exposed to everyone.
zx50
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Heyyouoverthere:
“Oh well! ”

Is...that it?
Neomysterio
11-08-2016
Perhaps Chloe shouldn't act like a disgraceful bullying cretin in the first place if she can't handle getting it back... Disgusting individual that she is.
zx50
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by SIOPHIE_FIERCE:
“I didn't see anything wrong with it. In the bedroom she was telling Ricky what had happened the previous night with a large dose of incredulity and humour. She didn't call Chloe any names and all she did was call them showmances. Don't see what's so offensive about that apart from the squad having their game exposed to everyone.”

Bear annoyed her as he walked out stating that he wasn't going in a cocky tone, so Saira then, out of frustration, decided to go on about what happened with Bear and Chloe because knew that Chloe wasn't as strong as Bear is.
zx50
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Neomysterio:
“Perhaps Chloe shouldn't act like a disgraceful bullying cretin in the first place if she can't handle getting it back... Disgusting individual that she is.”

Who has Chloe bullied?
B*witched
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Dippydolly:
“I thought Saira was hilarious tbh. About time someone gave it back to the squalid's.

Chloe knew the others were watching her bouncing up and down in bears lap and liked the attention, she also enjoyed going topless round the pole and doing goodness knows what in the shower.

She dishes it out does Chloe but can't take it”

Yup, she behaves like a cheap tart but can't handle being called on her exhibitionist behaviour. Brought it upon herself.
Neomysterio
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by B*witched:
“Yup, she behaves like a cheap tart but can't handle being called on her exhibitionist behaviour. Brought it upon herself.”

Spot on.
Moomin STFC
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by danielleh:
“Any potential iota of sympathy I might have had for Chloe was swiftly quelled by her behaviour later that night. Congratulations Chloe, you're now a bonafide member of the squad.”


yes, she clearly wasn't bothered by the comments to turn around and behave even more sluttily,
Littlegreen42
11-08-2016
It wasn't Saira that bounced her huge melons on top of Bear in full view of the other housemates!

I laughed my head off at Saira taking the p*ss, most respectable people would too.
Applebee
11-08-2016
What it felt like to me was Saira trying to show Chloe what her antics look like to others, Chloe wouldn't listen to her if she tried to tell her so Saira tried a different way, hence her saying she knew Chloe could hear her.
EvieJ
11-08-2016
She was a complete bitch, admitted on bots she did it to hurt her and was glad it did. Yes, I felt for her when Marnie did the dare, thought it was completely out of order but as has already been said at least she wasn't alone and isolated by a pack all having a go with Saira as the main protagonist.

Having that conversation and egging the others on, knowing that Chloe would either have to listen or confront a whole gang of them then take the piss afterwards was the bitchiest thing I've seen in there yet. Then dismissing her feeling by trying to pass it off as banter.

Chloe is a silly woman who is only causing herself damage. It was quite telling that Saira suggested someone might behave in a certain way to avoid eviction, I believe she thought she might save herself by damaging others.

I'd rather be in the house with someone who had a "showmance" and flashed her boobs than someone who was so threatened by it they stooped to the level Saira did.
EvieJ
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Who has Chloe bullied?”

No one that I've seen.
dirtyrat
11-08-2016
She wasn't nasty she said it on purpose to show her the reality .to help her
Annabel la
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“I think Saira knew that Chloe was awake and because of this, she started talking about what happened between Chloe and Bear. She knew that she couldn't get to Bear because he doesn't give a crap, so to try and get to Bear she started mocking Chloe when she knew that she was listening. You could see Saira's eyes looking in Chloe's direction every now and again when she talked about it. That laugh as well, talk about exaggerated. Saira just showed how nasty and cruel she could be. Also, Saira imitating what Chloe was doing when sitting on Bear's lap shows again how nasty and cruel she is.”

Saira explained herself later she's gone let it go.See if Chloe behaves impeccably !
Annabel la
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Moomin STFC:
“yes, she clearly wasn't bothered by the comments to turn around and behave even more sluttily,”

Exactly!
An Thropologist
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“I hear you, I honestly do (there's a but coming ) but, I did stick up for Saira when Marnie did what she did because they targetted Saira and I hate that kind of thing.

I'm no fan of hers but you could see that she was upset and embarrassed by that incident and I think she ended up in bed in tears about it (could be wrong about that and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am).

Fast-forward a week and Saira's meting out worse crap than that which was done to her - all memories of how horrible it made her feel were gone.

And I'd go as far as to say that what she did to Chloe was worse because the 'flash' lasted seconds and Saira was adequately supported by James and others - whereas when she picked on Chloe, Chloe was alone.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned AT, but I expected better from her for a whole host of reasons such as age, maturity, intelligence etc etc etc.

Stooping to the level of the lowest common denominator or playing spiteful bitch top trumps with the idiots is just ridiculous.”

I don't think our views are so far apart Bunions. I too was dissappointed in Saira for the reasons you give. The only difference is I struggle to find pity for either ( all?) of them in this series.
Vicky8675309
11-08-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Who has Chloe bullied?”

No one but since she is part of the squad then many will love the fact that she was being bullied and mocked. I felt sorry for Chloe Renee and Saira were both bullies and targeted the weakest member of the squad, Chloe. Shame on them.
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