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Emmerdale: Aaron Dingle and Robert Sugden Appreciation Thread (Part 9)
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Mumto3
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by abrightyz:
“after vic's scene at HF last night, i'd love for her to bitchslap that witch when everything comes out p”

Yeses would love this too
Originally Posted by abrightyz:
“andy is Ungrateful and Sanctimonious with a capital U and a capital S

even at the desperate moment when he discovers chrissie's plot against him, all he could think of is how an upright man he is and how better man he is than robert UGGHH!! he really believes his own press, doesn't he? lolz.. NO!! he is a good man!! what he did couldn't possibly drive this madwoman to frame him!! it could only be the cumulative effect of the betrayals of the men (donny, him, and *cough robert cough*) in her life eeekk... and he even repeated this in robert's face, making him ask: are you defending her? YESS, andy is a first-class TW*T!!

though he may be right... it might not be all down to what he did... coz it could actually be 99.9% simply about getting psycho son off the hook-- and he's just drippy enough to be the perfect sitting duck of a fall guy!! ”

Yea he was kinda in disbelief he crossed her by sleeping with Bernice and so she made him be the scapegoat simple as that! It doesn't matter about past men in her life, I think she would have pinned it on anyone to get her sex pest son off the hook! Andy probably doesn't think his punishment fits the crime but then look back to the summer fate she was all kinds of crazy, pretending to burn Robert alive in the barn then torching his car, causing deaths! I'm hoping that tonight we have a bit more of an understanding and appreciation from Andy towards Robert and that they part on good terms as I do love their love/hate relationship but for that to happen Andy needs to realise he can't be that demanding in his situation and also that Robert chose to help him (after having him shot) and show a bit of gratitude!

Wow I rambled a bit there, dont know if it even makes sense LOL:
amy_ryan1
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“Absolutely ! All of this is so true and most people just choose to forget it.They are actually kind of obsessed with saying that Andy thinks he is better etc and just not thinking about the things you have pointed out in this post.Robert has mocked Andy so many times about his status etc and how much better he is but clearly people are choosing to forget that.They have been as bad as each other-simple as that.And this is why I love them both and why I find their relationship so compelling and why I shall miss it”

Definitely yeah.. its why I love their relationship too & it will be missed. I do feel like the old Robert can be brushed to one side, as an Andy fan there's things Roberts done to him that I haven't forgotten about, & the same thing goes for Aaron. Alot of fans jump to Roberts defence when Aaron says/does something wrong that upsets Robert & same with Andy.. when Robert has put both of them through alot in the past & just because he's more of the friendly blonde giant now lol, I personally don't look past all that.. I see where both Andy & Aaron are coming from when their hostile at Robert, it's a trust issue.

My love for Rob grows everytime he's on screen I wouldn't change him but he has behaved like a n*b at times in the past lol.
abrightyz
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mumto3:
“Yeses would love this too


Yea he was kinda in disbelief he crossed her by sleeping with Bernice and so she made him be the scapegoat simple as that! It doesn't matter about past men in her life, I think she would have pinned it on anyone to get her sex pest son off the hook! Andy probably doesn't think his punishment fits the crime but then look back to the summer fate she was all kinds of crazy, pretending to burn Robert alive in the barn then torching his car, causing deaths! I'm hoping that tonight we have a bit more of an understanding and appreciation from Andy towards Robert and that they part on good terms as I do love their love/hate relationship but for that to happen Andy needs to realise he can't be that demanding in his situation and also that Robert chose to help him (after having him shot) and show a bit of gratitude!

Wow I rambled a bit there, dont know if it even makes sense LOL:”


no, you didn't ramble lolz

totally, the fool!! lolz!! it's just grating how he wants to appropriate blame for chrissie's action, forgetting that last year, after all that's happened, robert still helped the witch evade a prison term for her part in the death of three people UGGHH just get on with it, slugden!! think of ways how to get out of this mess instead of shading your bruvv who's willing to help you SMH
Andy_Marlowe
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“She is not a ghastly child.You were a gummy child yourself as were we all.It is just nature.I don't love the look myself but hey there isn't a lot we can do about it.It would be unrealistic for them to make her have teeth when she is at the age that they're coming out etc.It is normal-nothing to do with making her look 'respectable'.Lol,I have my own little one at the moment just starting to go through this-goodness knows what you'd make of it”

Thankfully most young children are not paraded on TV. I wasn't, I doubt you were, or anyone else on here. I just don't see the point of young kids on soaps. babies are fine, so are toddlers (though they would be impossible to direct), but what does April add to the show, apart from a certain sentimental whimsy?
amy_ryan1
16-08-2016
Another thing I noticed last night was the amount of fans that jumped onto the comment when Chrissie said "your no better than your brother" & Andy replied "but I loved you" so many fans where posting stuff like "Robs bisexual he did love Chrissie, ED keep dismissing his sexuality" Robert not loving Chrissie does not mean he's gay.. it just means he didn't love her in the way he should of weather hes gay/bisexual or even straight *eye roll*
Andy_Marlowe
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mumto3:
“Yeses would love this too


Yea he was kinda in disbelief he crossed her by sleeping with Bernice and so she made him be the scapegoat simple as that! It doesn't matter about past men in her life, I think she would have pinned it on anyone to get her sex pest son off the hook! Andy probably doesn't think his punishment fits the crime but then look back to the summer fate she was all kinds of crazy, pretending to burn Robert alive in the barn then torching his car, causing deaths! I'm hoping that tonight we have a bit more of an understanding and appreciation from Andy towards Robert and that they part on good terms as I do love their love/hate relationship but for that to happen Andy needs to realise he can't be that demanding in his situation and also that Robert chose to help him (after having him shot) and show a bit of gratitude!

Wow I rambled a bit there, dont know if it even makes sense LOL:”


Totally agree with you. I think if it had been a handgun and not a rifle she would have nagged daddy into saying he shot himself, anything to keep Lachlan (temporarily, for I feel he is time-limited) out of trouble.

As I said before I don't have a brother. If I had, I would have rather had the Aaron/Adam sort of relationship, and of course you would do anything to help each other out given that sort of friendship, but if I had one, and he kept telling me how much he disliked me there is no way I would help him. Poor old Andy. If there is ever a Channel 4 "TVs Top Twenty Thickos" it is a toss up whether it will be "Andy" or "Mr. O'Reilly" from Fawlty Towers who wins
Lmack
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“Thankfully most young children are not paraded on TV. I wasn't, I doubt you were, or anyone else on here. I just don't see the point of young kids on soaps. babies are fine, so are toddlers (though they would be impossible to direct), but what does April add to the show, apart from a certain sentimental whimsy?”

No I wasn't.I guess I just don't understand your huge dislike and annoyance about kids on TV.April does add to the show in that it's realistic to have children on the show and that's what she is representing
Alanna_Housden
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by amy_ryan1:
“Another thing I noticed last night was the amount of fans that jumped onto the comment when Chrissie said "your no better than your brother" & Andy replied "but I loved you" so many fans where posting stuff like "Robs bisexual he did love Chrissie, ED keep dismissing his sexuality" Robert not loving Chrissie does not mean he's gay.. it just means he didn't love her in the way he should of weather hes gay/bisexual or even straight *eye roll*”

You could also look at it from Andy's P.O.V. too where in his opinion Robert never loved Chrissie. I think anyone linking that comment to Robert's sexuality and thinking it means something etc are trying to find something that isn't there.

This fandom loves to create drama
abrightyz
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“Thankfully most young children are not paraded on TV. I wasn't, I doubt you were, or anyone else on here. I just don't see the point of young kids on soaps. babies are fine, so are toddlers (though they would be impossible to direct), but what does April add to the show, apart from a certain sentimental whimsy?”


i agree april can be annoying when written as wiser far beyond her years, but what you're suggesting (or i think you're suggesting ) is bordering on Twilight Zone genre lolz eeeekk .. a certain age group absent from the village and then they re-appear when they're of a certain specified age? belongs to the horror genre methinks eeekk
abrightyz
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Alanna_Housden:
“You could also look at it from Andy's P.O.V. too where in his opinion Robert never loved Chrissie. I think anyone linking that comment to Robert's sexuality and thinking it means something etc are trying to find something that isn't there.

This fandom loves to create drama ”


nothing new then
abrightyz
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by amy_ryan1:
“Another thing I noticed last night was the amount of fans that jumped onto the comment when Chrissie said "your no better than your brother" & Andy replied "but I loved you" so many fans where posting stuff like "Robs bisexual he did love Chrissie, ED keep dismissing his sexuality" Robert not loving Chrissie does not mean he's gay.. it just means he didn't love her in the way he should of weather hes gay/bisexual or even straight *eye roll*”


must say i agree with your point here... robert not loving chrissie has nothing to do with his sexuality
Lmack
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by amy_ryan1:
“Definitely yeah.. its why I love their relationship too & it will be missed. I do feel like the old Robert can be brushed to one side, as an Andy fan there's things Roberts done to him that I haven't forgotten about, & the same thing goes for Aaron. Alot of fans jump to Roberts defence when Aaron says/does something wrong that upsets Robert & same with Andy.. when Robert has put both of them through alot in the past & just because he's more of the friendly blonde giant now lol, I personally don't look past all that.. I see where both Andy & Aaron are coming from when their hostile at Robert, it's a trust issue.

My love for Rob grows everytime he's on screen I wouldn't change him but he has behaved like a n*b at times in the past lol.”

Couldn't agree more ! Like you,I love both Robert and Andy (always have done since they were young) and I love Aaron.However,I won't just whitewash everything Robert does or has done just because I love him and Robron.Also I won't whitewash the things Andy has done.And like you say,I don't get angry if Aaron is upset with Robert if it's justified.There are an awful lot of fans that just accept and defend everything that Robert does because they love him so much.I don't do that lol
amy_ryan1
16-08-2016
Chrissie will always defend Lachlan.. the only time she's done right by him is when she decided to go to the police when she realised he had assaulted Alicia.. but I don't think her setting up Andy had anything to do with protecting her son, she pretty much showed that lastnight with the stuff she was saying even confessing he was right about it been Lachlan, punishing Andy was on the top of her list.. even if Lachlan wasn't the one to do it, she'd have happily framed Andy for it.
Andy_Marlowe
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by abrightyz:
“i agree april can be annoying when written as wiser far beyond her years, but what you're suggesting (or i think you're suggesting ) is bordering on Twilight Zone genre lolz eeeekk .. a certain age group absent from the village and then they re-appear when they're of a certain specified age? belongs to the horror genre methinks eeekk ”

My ideal would be when in Coronation Street (was it Tracey?) was always being sent to her room, or was in her room. If only it was the same with Amy

We could acknowledge that people have kids by seeing their school bags and perhaps even see them themselves going quietly off to school, but when precious minutes are wasted with potato addicts AND precocious kids, it becomes unbearable. Tonight the little darling locks somebody in a cupboard and demands answers. What a treat you have in store - and in an hour long slot, too!
Lmack
16-08-2016
Also people forget that the bad blood about Robert (accidentally) killing Katie is still there for Andy,just like the bad blood about Andy (accidentally) killing Sarah is still there for Robert.They have both done questionable and accidental things ! Chrissie managed to avoid prison for her actions last year,but both Andy and Robert have avoided it too
abrightyz
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by amy_ryan1:
“Chrissie will always defend Lachlan.. the only time she's done right by him is when she decided to go to the police when she realised he had assaulted Alicia.. but I don't think her setting up Andy had anything to do with protecting her son, she pretty much showed that lastnight with the stuff she was saying even confessing he was right about it been Lachlan, punishing Andy was on the top of her list.. even if Lachlan wasn't the one to do it, she'd have happily framed Andy for it.”

what? you sort of saying, her mind worked not like:

--omg lachlan what have you done? we should think of ways to get you out of this!!

but like:

--omg!! my dad's shot!! good!! i can pin this on andy!!

abrightyz
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“My ideal would be when in Coronation Street (was it Tracey?) was always being sent to her room, or was in her room. If only it was the same with Amy

We could acknowledge that people have kids by seeing their school bags and perhaps even see them themselves going quietly off to school, but when precious minutes are wasted with potato addicts AND precocious kids, it becomes unbearable. Tonight the little darling locks somebody in a cupboard and demands answers. What a treat you have in store - and in an hour long slot, too!”


quietly-- quietly?--- have you experienced real life lately? lolz
Lmack
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“My ideal would be when in Coronation Street (was it Tracey?) was always being sent to her room, or was in her room. If only it was the same with Amy

We could acknowledge that people have kids by seeing their school bags and perhaps even see them themselves going quietly off to school, but when precious minutes are wasted with potato addicts AND precocious kids, it becomes unbearable. Tonight the little darling locks somebody in a cupboard and demands answers. What a treat you have in store - and in an hour long slot, too!”

That would be totally unrealistic.You really do seem to have a problem with children.You should be rather careful though as it's bordering on hatred and some could take that badly.If we were to talk about sexuality in that way,or age,or race/religion then it would bd seen as discrimination.Your words are very strong and it's rather uncomfortable (well for me anyway)
Andy_Marlowe
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by amy_ryan1:
“Another thing I noticed last night was the amount of fans that jumped onto the comment when Chrissie said "your no better than your brother" & Andy replied "but I loved you" so many fans where posting stuff like "Robs bisexual he did love Chrissie, ED keep dismissing his sexuality" Robert not loving Chrissie does not mean he's gay.. it just means he didn't love her in the way he should of weather hes gay/bisexual or even straight *eye roll*”

I think Andy is capable of "loving" anybody in a skirt. It's a wonder he didn't persue Pearl.

I think one problem is that we still don't know for sure if Robert is bisexual (which would be able to lead to further dramas in years to come), or if, as I suspect Aaron believes, he is really gay, but tried to fight it, and just had Chrissie "for show" as Zac once put it about Aaron and Holly. Aaron did it to deflate from his true sexuality, but he and we know Robert enough to see that Chrissie's money and Lawrence's power provided a stimulus. One of Aaron's endearing qualities is his not doing things for money alone
amy_ryan1
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by abrightyz:
“what? you sort of saying, her mind worked not like:

--omg lachlan what have you done? we should think of ways to get you out of this!!

but like:

--omg!! my dad's shot!! good!! i can pin this on andy!!

”

Lol.. I mean yeah saving Lachlan has something to do with it but I don't believe it was top of her list.

Yeah I do think if it had of been the case of Lawrence been shot for whatever reason.. & there was a chance Andy could take the fall.. she'd be happy to see that.. its all just punishment
Andy_Marlowe
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“That would be totally unrealistic.You really do seem to have a problem with children.You should be rather careful though as it's bordering on hatred and some could take that badly.If we were to talk about sexuality in that way,or age,or race/religion then it would bd seen as discrimination.Your words are very strong and it's rather uncomfortable (well for me anyway)”

If you will allow me to say so, I think you are somewhat taking my personal opinion way too seriously. I don't "hate" children. I don't "hate" anybody, but I do dislike the amount of screentime wasted on people (of all ages) who can't act very well at all. There is a limited amount of time (apart from bloated Tuesdays) and April, David & co last night wasted some of those 22 minutes.

I would respectfully suggest that if my comments disturb you in any way, then it would be better if you didn't read them and upset yourself unduly.
Andy_Marlowe
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by abrightyz:
“quietly-- quietly?--- have you experienced real life lately? lolz ”

Depends on the family, the circumstances, and the discipline exercised within the home. I get some kids in the shop who are quiet and well behaved, and others who are the total opposite. When you see some of the parents of the latter, you can't be too surprised..
Randomguy83
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by tink02:
“W/c 29th August in Inside Soap

Robert continues his crusade to get the truth from Lachlan

http://arlives1.tumblr.com/post/1490...wc-29th-august”

I wonder if Chrissie suspects something and then targets Vic to get Robert to back off.

Andy is very sanctimonious and ungrateful. Robert could have left him to die or reported him to the police but he didn't last November. He got no thanks for that from Andy. Now Robert is once again helping him and once again all he gets is attitude. Robert isn't asking for anything, he's just doing it FOR Andy. He could end up arrested for doing it btw so he's putting himself at risk.
sugding
16-08-2016
I admit I am a Robert fan - but that does not mean I condone everything that he has done - he has been lucky not to have ended up in prison for some of the things he's done. He has at least admitted, kind of, when he's done something wrong. Where as Andy always plays the 'victim' - again this is not condoning Robert's actions. In my defence I have never really liked the Andy character, even before Robert reappeared - he has always been portrayed as the badly done to one. I know this is irrelevant but I just felt the need to say it.
WhatYouGonnaDo?
16-08-2016
Actually when Robert first returned Andy was the one who had problem with him not Katie. Katie was the one trying to smooth things over and telling Andy to let it go. It all built toward Robert and Andy's fist fight at Andy's stag do. It was only after Robert said sorry the next dqy (thanks to Aaron) that things thawed a little. From then on Katie had taken on Andy's role of taking swipes at Rob while Andy adopted her role as peace keeper. To say Andy didnt really have a problem with Robert when first came back is totally inaccurate.

I don't like that Andy is judgemental of others (Robert) while doing or having done the same of worse. Hypocrisy is a valid thing to have a problem. People in glass houses...
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