Emmerdale: Aaron Dingle and Robert Sugden Appreciation Thread (Part 9)

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Lmack

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Alanna_Housden:
“I wish people would stop calling Robert gay, he's bisexual. Bisexuality does exist and that's what he is. It's as simple as that.

For some reason I just can't see them getting married or being husbands. I guess I could see them being engaged to each other, I don't know but I just can't see them getting married. Not even if it's small with little fuss, I don't know why that is. So for some reason, even if they do get engaged I don't think the wedding will happen.

I really like Hollyoaks, I think it's really good. I don't think it's fair to use it as an insult. There are times when I think it's actually better than Corrie or ED.”

We don't know for sure that Robert is bisexual though

Nico_D

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Alanna_Housden:
“I wish people would stop calling Robert gay, he's bisexual. Bisexuality does exist and that's what he is. It's as simple as that.
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Just because bisexuality exists it doesn't mean that's what Robert is, remember Kate's Oates interview where she said Robert cheated on all these women as he was "never ever satisfied". Then added "so what would satisfy him, maybe a relationship with a man?". With the fact that the woman who reintroduced the character stated that women leave him unsatisfied but men don't you can see why people would come to the conclusion that he's gay.

Mumto3

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Kirstenn:
“Your both on the right path. ”

Oooh yay

Wonder if it's shot as flash backs, now im intrigued!

wallo mr slug

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Mumto3:
“Oooh yay
Wonder if it's shot as flash backs, now im intrigued!”

Soz to be a spoilsport but totally embargoed...

ArtyAttack

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by andy614:
“How interesting, I wonder if its like each episode during the week is dedicated to one particular story.”

I expect it will be something like that. The Producer did state that the week would be told in a quirky and different way.I would not be shocked to see the same climax used to end a number of episodes but focused on a different set of characters who are involved in it all.

Mumto3

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“Soz to be a spoilsport but totally embargoed...”

oh well, was worth a try

love the speculation tho

wallo mr slug

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Nico_D:
“Just because bisexuality exists it doesn't mean that's what Robert is, remember Kate's Oates interview where she said Robert cheated on all these women as he was "never ever satisfied". Then added "so what would satisfy him, maybe a relationship with a man?". With the fact that the woman who reintroduced the character stated that women leave him unsatisfied but men don't you can see why people would come to the conclusion that he's gay.”

Indeed - are labels ever necessary anyway? Perhaps Robert doesn't class himself as gay/bi/straight or anything. Perhaps he identifies as Robert.

wallo mr slug

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Mumto3:
“ oh well, was worth a try love the speculation tho”

Speculation is 90% of the fun, mate

Andy_Marlowe

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“With the greatest of respect, why would you say that?

I don't work for Emmerdale. It's my genuine opinion.”

Well, if you will allow me to say so, you are a big cheerleader for the show.

You will know more about this than me, but sometime ago I read an obituary for Hazel Adair. Miss Adair had been an actress, but with her scriptwriting companion Peter Ling, they devised and wrote all the early episodes of two old soaps, Compact and Crossroads. I''d never even heard of the first one (apparently it went out twice a week on the BBC in the early 60s for several years like Eastenders originally did Crossroads did five a week. I don't think either was critically acclaimed, but the same two people writing for the same show at least gave more continuity, I should have thought. It has to be said some of the writing for all the soaps is diabolical. Some of the stories absurd or even impossible (the "pirate ship" sticks out like a sore thumb on Emmerdale to give but one example). However good the actors are they are let down by scripts being churned out by a team of writers who often appear not to have read each others work. Thats how it seems to me, at any rate. Surely fewer episodes and fewer writers is the way to go - these annual stunts are an expensive waste of time.

Lmack

25-09-2016

Yeah I agree

wallo mr slug

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“Well, if you will allow me to say so, you are a big cheerleader for the show.

You will know more about this than me, but sometime ago I read an obituary for Hazel Adair. Miss Adair had been an actress, but with her scriptwriting companion Peter Ling, they devised and wrote all the early episodes of two old soaps, Compact and Crossroads. I''d never even heard of the first one (apparently it went out twice a week on the BBC in the early 60s for several like Eastenders originally did Crossroads did five a week. I don't think either was critically acclaimed, but the same two people writing for the same show at least gave more continuity, I should have thought. It has to be said some of the writing for all the soaps is diabolical. Some of the stories absurd or even impossible (the "pirate ship" sticks out like a sore thumb on Emmerdale to give but one example). However good the actors are they are let down by scripts being churned out by a team of writers who often appear not to have read each others work. Thats how it seems to me, at any rate. Surely fewer episodes and fewer writers is the way to go - these annual stunts are an expensive waste of time.”

While I think the word 'cheerleader' seriously cheapens me, I don't take offence but will disagree and just say you clearly haven't read enough of my work. I criticise or remain silent on many occasions and praise only when I deem worthwhile.

mystery23

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“With the greatest of respect, you would say that wouldn't you?.

Lets be frank about it every October 17th/18th (which in the country is known as "St Luke's Little Summer) is like Eastenders New Years Eve - some over the top melodrama, which results in somebody getting killed - probably murdered. The daft thing is if you lived in Emmerdale you would go on holiday in October and in Walford you'd go on holiday over Xmas/New Year.

It really insults the viewers intelligence to try the same tricks every year at exactly the same time and not even one of the villagers even comments on the extraordinary coincidence that Carl, Cameron et al all died in the same week in different years. No amount of hyperbole, PR spin or anything else can disguise the poverty of imagination.”

You never seem to be able to understand that people are allowed different opinions to you. There is no 'right' or 'wrong'

MissCeltic

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“Indeed - are labels ever necessary anyway? Perhaps Robert doesn't class himself as gay/bi/straight or anything. Perhaps he identifies as Robert.”

I think that Robert just likes what he likes and I don't think he has any real hang ups about it.

I think the whole 'gay place' thing was just that he doesn't consider himself gay.

Andy_Marlowe

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“Indeed - are labels ever necessary anyway? Perhaps Robert doesn't class himself as gay/bi/straight or anything. Perhaps he identifies as Robert.”

Yes,I think that is what I meant. It's not just a physical connection, it's a mental one as well. Aaron is very much a man's man, as is Robert. I am sure a lot of men have that deep rapport but would never want to label it, because labelling defines you, and once defined you are stuck with definition for ever..

Mumto3

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“Speculation is 90% of the fun, mate ”

Exactly!!!

And on the subject of lables, I covered this on tumblr the other week. Who needs them. He loves who he loves, man or woman, it doesn't matter. Everyone around him knows how much he loves and cares for Aaron, he doesn't need a label for them to see this

http://3ofme.tumblr.com/post/1499812...es-of-bar-west

mojo5000

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“Indeed - are labels ever necessary anyway? Perhaps Robert doesn't class himself as gay/bi/straight or anything. Perhaps he identifies as Robert.”

Maybe not, but when bisexuality is rarely, if ever, talked about in the media (hence the Bi Visibility day Friday) it would be nice if it was acknowledged rather than the lazy approach soaps and other TV often has where everything is either gay, straight or "I don't like labels". It seems a little like a cop out when bisexuals can be ostracised in the community anyway for not 'fitting in'. Soaps don't have to change the world or say anything but if they have a character loving and in relationships with both sexes, some sort of acknowledgement would go a long way for those people who it is important to.

(Especially when Rhona and Vanessa's "lesbian phase" is the butt of jokes and Charity and Debbie's relationships with women are never mentioned).

ArtyAttack

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“Well, if you will allow me to say so, you are a big cheerleader for the show.

You will know more about this than me, but sometime ago I read an obituary for Hazel Adair. Miss Adair had been an actress, but with her scriptwriting companion Peter Ling, they devised and wrote all the early episodes of two old soaps, Compact and Crossroads. I''d never even heard of the first one (apparently it went out twice a week on the BBC in the early 60s for several years like Eastenders originally did Crossroads did five a week. I don't think either was critically acclaimed, but the same two people writing for the same show at least gave more continuity, I should have thought. It has to be said some of the writing for all the soaps is diabolical. Some of the stories absurd or even impossible (the "pirate ship" sticks out like a sore thumb on Emmerdale to give but one example). However good the actors are they are let down by scripts being churned out by a team of writers who often appear not to have read each others work. Thats how it seems to me, at any rate. Surely fewer episodes and fewer writers is the way to go - these annual stunts are an expensive waste of time.”

Six episodes a week being churned out is bound to take a toll at times and this last week felt too much like a situation comedy with many of the 'comedy' charaters pushed to centre stage and the writing trying too hard to rank up the bizarre and forced humour. Hopefully it is just the calm before the storm though. Agree about the stunts if they are just used for ratings and there is no reall aftermath or consequences to what happened longterm so we will have to see what happens.

Andy_Marlowe

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by wallo mr slug:
“While I think the word 'cheerleader' seriously cheapens me, I don't take offence but will disagree and just say you clearly haven't read enough of my work. I criticise or remain silent on many occasions and praise only when I deem worthwhile.”

Sorry if I offended - it wasn't my intention, but would you not agree that just because you throw extra money at a few episodes, use classy film studios and arrange some mammoth but unlikely stunt it doesn't necessarily guarantee that it willbe "good"?. If I were writing something like continuing drama, I would want each episode to be credible. My personal feeling is that all the David "marry me Tracey" nonsense, like the pirate ship saga debases the show.

Kell_Free

25-09-2016

Intriguing! I'm guessing it'll be hour long episodes? It's probably all been confirmed but I'm too lazy to look at the last few pages

I wonder if they'll have cinematic shots and stuff like that?

wallo mr slug

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Mumto3:
“Exactly!!!

And on the subject of lables, I covered this on tumblr the other week. Who needs them. He loves who he loves, man or woman, it doesn't matter. Everyone around him knows how much he loves and cares for Aaron, he doesn't need a label for them to see this

http://3ofme.tumblr.com/post/1499812...es-of-bar-west”

Beautifully put

Originally Posted by mojo5000:
“Maybe not, but when bisexuality is rarely, if ever, talked about in the media (hence the Bi Visibility day Friday) it would be nice if it was acknowledged rather than the lazy approach soaps and other TV often has where everything is either gay, straight or "I don't like labels". It seems a little like a cop out when bisexuals can be ostracised in the community anyway for not 'fitting in'. Soaps don't have to change the world or say anything but if they have a character loving and in relationships with both sexes, some sort of acknowledgement would go a long way for those people who it is important to.

(Especially when Rhona and Vanessa's "lesbian phase" is the butt of jokes and Charity and Debbie's relationships with women are never mentioned).”

I agree a lot - however, labels irritate me and I don't think people should be penned into one or the other. Humans are more complex than that and I don't think they necessarily need a tag so long as they are happy and feel able to be true to themselves - even if it doesn't fit in to socially accepted categories.

wallo mr slug

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Andy_Marlowe:
“Sorry if I offended - it wasn't my intention, but would you not agree that just because you throw extra money at a few episodes, use classy film studios and arrange some mammoth but unlikely stunt it doesn't necessarily guarantee that it willbe "good"?. If I were writing something like continuing drama, I would want each episode to be credible. My personal feeling is that all the David "marry me Tracey" nonsense, like the pirate ship saga debases the show.”

There is absolutely nothing there I disagree with bud. And taking that still into account, I stand by that the episodes are fantastic. Any stunts that may or may not take place are purely to accelerate the stories that are already there - and strong. My opinion - I haven't been paid by Emmerdale or anything

Anyway - give me an E! Give me an M! Give me an...etc.

Lucie_Girard

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by andy614:
“I was a McDean fan but for the life of me can't remember what the story was when JP came back. Was it that Craig cheated on him? Is that what you mean?”

When JP came back in 2012, he was in a bus with Craig and Craig abandonned him with little Matthew saying that he didn't want to be in a same sex relashionship, and that now he was with a woman ugh

Sorry This was so bad that i dcided to stop watching after that.

Craig would have never done that to JP he loved him too much for This. I would have preffered that Craig would have been killed off and JP coming back on his own instead of This farce of scénario.

Since that moment Brian Kirkwood was on my blacklist

What a waste and i can't get Over This. Never Will

Lmack

25-09-2016

I don't believe in labels as such in that it defines you forever.However,I have no qualms either with wondering or saying that a person is gay,straight,bisexual because simply sometimes most people are one or the other,and know that.I would class myself as straight since I only seem to have had attractions for males.However I am not opposed to anything else,nor would I say that I would never,ever be attracted to a woman,or fall in love with one because I don't know really.I would however say that it is probably unlikely though.I am open totally to the fact that some fall in love with a person,rather than the sex of a person

andy614

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by Alanna_Housden:
“For some reason I just can't see them getting married or being husbands. I guess I could see them being engaged to each other, I don't know but I just can't see them getting married. Not even if it's small with little fuss, I don't know why that is. So for some reason, even if they do get engaged I don't think the wedding will happen.”

I must say i have a hard time imagining it as well but then again i had a hard time imagining they would get engaged and it appears that's on the cards so...

Andy_Marlowe

25-09-2016

Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“Six episodes a week being churned out is bound to take a toll at times and this last week felt too much like a situation comedy with many of the 'comedy' charaters pushed to centre stage and the writing trying too hard to rank up the bizarre and forced humour. Hopefully it is just the calm before the storm though. Agree about the stunts if they are just used for ratings and there is no reall aftermath or consequences to what happened longterm so we will have to see what happens.”

EXACTLY this. Some characters are so well known for comedy they can't "do" serious stuff, and with all due respect David's illness, serious as it was, seemed in it's early days to be just an excuse to drop his trousers, and make dubious jokes about the testes. Similarily the unlikely sex God Jimmy with his potential to embark on another affair and break some poor widow's heart is annoying rather than funny or dramatic (as was that absurd occasion when he became a stand-in gigolo for the louche Rodney). Elsewhere in Coronation Street "Steve" did a depression story and is currently fathering two children by different women, but he really can't carry of the dramatic stuff.

By contrast Aaron's coming out and rape storylines were first rate and worthy of a film or play - thanks to the true acting of Danny Miller, Marc Silcock and Ryan Hawley especially. They can't be on screen every day, but the other stories should be credible.

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