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Old 25-09-2016, 19:15
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I agree a lot - however, labels irritate me and I don't think people should be penned into one or the other. Humans are more complex than that and I don't think they necessarily need a tag so long as they are happy and feel able to be true to themselves - even if it doesn't fit in to socially accepted categories.
You may not, but they are important to some bisexual people so I'm sure you can see that it is important for some people to have representation and acknowledgement in a primetime show. It would go a long way in terms of attitudes and understanding, rather than a rather simplistic and unhelpful "no labels" situation. "No labels" isn't always the most helpful approach when people are trying to learn and discover their own identity.

(As I said before, maybe a bit deep for light hearted soap discussion but it's a big and contentious issue.)
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:19
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Maybe not, but when bisexuality is rarely, if ever, talked about in the media (hence the Bi Visibility day Friday) it would be nice if it was acknowledged rather than the lazy approach soaps and other TV often has where everything is either gay, straight or "I don't like labels". It seems a little like a cop out when bisexuals can be ostracised in the community anyway for not 'fitting in'. Soaps don't have to change the world or say anything but if they have a character loving and in relationships with both sexes, some sort of acknowledgement would go a long way for those people who it is important to.

(Especially when Rhona and Vanessa's "lesbian phase" is the butt of jokes and Charity and Debbie's relationships with women are never mentioned).
I am gay, but I would never reveal this to my customers, because I just want to be "Andy" and not "gay Andy". Living in a fairly small community, I know a couple of bisexual men, though, even if they were interested in me, which I doubt, I wouldn't want to get involved with them, because it's the male equivalent of being the other woman when you know that one of them has two kids. Neither of these men would wish to acknowledge their bisexuality because in labelling themselves they might well end their permanent relationships and lose what they have built up, and in one case the two kids would probably end up losing their dad. It's not a judgmental thing, but I wouldn't wish to cause them any embarrassment,just as I wouldn't want them to embarrass me. We are all entitled to our private times but I don't dismiss bisexuality. In fact I am certain there is far more instances of it than we can possibly imagine.
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:23
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:25
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You may not, but they are important to some bisexual people so I'm sure you can see that it is important for some people to have representation and acknowledgement in a primetime show. It would go a long way in terms of attitudes and understanding, rather than a rather simplistic and unhelpful "no labels" situation. "No labels" isn't always the most helpful approach when people are trying to learn and discover their own identity.

(As I said before, maybe a bit deep for light hearted soap discussion but it's a big and contentious issue.)

There is nothing simplistic about seeing people beyond their labels. In fact it can be the most complex approach. People are people and all different, regardless of the category society seeks to place them in.
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:38
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There is nothing simplistic about seeing people beyond their labels. In fact it can be the most complex approach. People are people and all different, regardless of the category society seeks to place them in.
Perhaps I mean idealistic rather than simplistic then. We haven't reached the stage in society yet where labels are meaningless so they still have weight and importance to some people when they are finding their identity and their place in the world. For some people having a label is an important part of who they are.

Anyway, I don't mean to derail the soap discussion too much, but bisexual representation is so poor on TV that people wanting some discussion about it (when it's alluded to in canon) is completely understandable.
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:42
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Perhaps I mean idealistic rather than simplistic then. We haven't reached the stage in society yet where labels are meaningless so they still have weight and importance to some people when they are finding their identity and their place in the world. For some people having a label is an important part of who they are.

Anyway, I don't mean to derail the soap discussion too much, but bisexual representation is so poor on TV that people wanting some discussion about it (when it's alluded to in canon) is completely understandable.
I do agree with you, yeah
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:44
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You will realise how much screen time they will get when the first spoilers are released about the big week.
It isn't a normal week of episodes.
How interesting, I wonder if its like each episode during the week is dedicated to one particular story.
Oooh sounds interesting, will the couples be assigned an episode each? Then at the end of the week they will all come together? Really cant wait for all this, everything sounds amazing
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Your both on the right path.
I expect it will be something like that. The Producer did state that the week would be told in a quirky and different way.I would not be shocked to see the same climax used to end a number of episodes but focused on a different set of characters who are involved in it all.
Soz to be a spoilsport but totally embargoed...
I've been wondering about this ever since it was first mentioned - I was wondering if it might be real-time filming (a la 24) but don't suppose that would really work (ooohh unless the single storyline for each episode is right because that might work, because then you wouldn't need to have the split screen thing that 24 used to do to show the different storylines playing out simultaneously, although I suppose they could do that instead - because that's never been done before on a soap before has it????)
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Old 25-09-2016, 19:57
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You may not, but they are important to some bisexual people so I'm sure you can see that it is important for some people to have representation and acknowledgement in a primetime show. It would go a long way in terms of attitudes and understanding, rather than a rather simplistic and unhelpful "no labels" situation. "No labels" isn't always the most helpful approach when people are trying to learn and discover their own identity.

(As I said before, maybe a bit deep for light hearted soap discussion but it's a big and contentious issue.)
I agree with this
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:09
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Originally Posted by Kell_Free;84033155[B
]Intriguing! I'm guessing it'll be hour long episodes[/b]? It's probably all been confirmed but I'm too lazy to look at the last few pages I wonder if they'll have cinematic shots and stuff like that?
I would love that but I really can't imagine we would get 5 hour long episodes.

I reckon it will still 30 minutes apart from the Thursday
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:12
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Really interesting stuff spoke about tonight

Seriously exciting
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:13
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Really interesting stuff spoke about tonight

Seriously exciting
Yep, roll on October!!
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:18
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Maybe each episode will start at the end of something major (say a car crash for example) and then we go backwards to find out how the characters ended up there during.
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:21
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Interesting discussion, but as far as Robert goes everyone in that village where he lives has formed a judgement about his sexuality based on his behavior and 100% of them don't think he's completely straight. If Robert won't consider getting married because he isn't interested in letting the people know what his sexuality is he's practicing a form of self delusion.

I think the next few weeks will tell us a lot about what Robert's level maturity is. There are 2 choices here either Robert can make a commitment to someone he loves and stick with it or he can't. If he can't then I think the prospects of making it work with anyone are sort of over. He's 30 now. Being a little bit committed is sort of like being a little bit pregnant.
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:23
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Really interesting stuff spoke about tonight

Seriously exciting
I am so excited by all of it and I am trying not to wish the weeks away as when its over I will want another big storyline again
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Old 25-09-2016, 20:26
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yeh i hope there is a follow up story that keeps them on screen. On the other hand do i? as given we are pretty sure Aaron ends up hurt then any ongoing story would probably be about that and we do't want something serious or life changing to have happened to him!
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Old 25-09-2016, 21:17
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I've been wondering about this ever since it was first mentioned - I was wondering if it might be real-time filming (a la 24) but don't suppose that would really work (ooohh unless the single storyline for each episode is right because that might work, because then you wouldn't need to have the split screen thing that 24 used to do to show the different storylines playing out simultaneously, although I suppose they could do that instead - because that's never been done before on a soap before has it????)
Iv never seen 24 so don't really know what you are meaning lol , but it sounds interesting hiw you say with the split screens with different stories then all coming together.
Maybe each episode will start at the end of something major (say a car crash for example) and then we go backwards to find out how the characters ended up there during.
Yes, i was thinking this too, like a rewind. Or maybe we will get the ending on the Monday, maybe Aaron in hospital etc and the stories after. It's so confusing but exciting at the same time. I can't believe how things have been kept so tight lipped and also that we haven't had a promo yet. Hopefully we will get that soon.
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Old 25-09-2016, 21:23
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Iv never seen 24 so don't really know what you are meaning lol , but it sounds interesting hiw you say with the split screens with different stories then all coming together.


Yes, i was thinking this too, like a rewind. Or maybe we will get the ending on the Monday, maybe Aaron in hospital etc and the stories after. It's so confusing but exciting at the same time. I can't believe how things have been kept so tight lipped and also that we haven't had a promo yet. Hopefully we will get that soon.
24 was a series that took place in one day. So the first hour of the series represented 1:00 am the second episode 2:00 am and so on. So it for Emmerdale if it was a 1 hour episode it would only cover things that happened in 1 hour of life in the village.
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Old 25-09-2016, 21:38
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24 was a series that took place in one day. So the first hour of the series represented 1:00 am the second episode 2:00 am and so on. So it for Emmerdale if it was a 1 hour episode it would only cover things that happened in 1 hour of life in the village.
Oh i see, so that wouldn't be possible or would take ages to get through, but wiggles mentioned a split screen thing, is that different stories happening at the same time maybe all leading to the same thing? I love all the theories on what will happen, we are all probably way off but its fun speculating
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Old 25-09-2016, 21:41
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We don't know for sure that Robert is bisexual though
Robert is sexually attracted to both sexes, he's bisexual.
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Old 25-09-2016, 21:56
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Robert is sexually attracted to both sexes, he's bisexual.
Exactly
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Old 25-09-2016, 21:56
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Robert is sexually attracted to both sexes, he's bisexual.
I know what bisexual is however there has been many a man who has been with women most of their lives,or for a lot of years before admitting that they are really gay.It has happened time and again over the years
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Old 25-09-2016, 22:02
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I know what bisexual is however there has been many a man who has been with women most of their lives,or for a lot of years before admitting that they are really gay.It has happened time and again over the years
Exactly, and as the previous producer stated Robert was unable to obtain sexual gratification from these women but apparently does from sex with men ( these are the words of Kate Oates ).
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Old 25-09-2016, 22:05
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Exactly, and as the previous producer stated Robert was unable to obtain sexual gratification from these women but apparently does from sex with men ( these are the words of Kate Oates ).
Yeah I always remember those words as well.It is not uncommon for this to be the case
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Old 25-09-2016, 22:07
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No not nessarily
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Old 25-09-2016, 22:08
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Oh i see, so that wouldn't be possible or would take ages to get through, but wiggles mentioned a split screen thing, is that different stories happening at the same time maybe all leading to the same thing? I love all the theories on what will happen, we are all probably way off but its fun speculating
Isn't it though???
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