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Old 01-09-2016, 01:22
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roberts comment about the 'gay place' was borderline homophobic. he cant say 'gay bar/club?'

gay place? so weird... and i dont buy the internalized homophobia explanation. i did not understand that exchange at all. he seemed confused as to why gay men would show up at a place specifically for them. like HELLOooooo!!!! earth to robert.

are we to believe robert has 0 knowledge of anything gay??? does he even know what the pride flag looks like??

the writing was bad in that scene and i wish they could have written it a different way without making robert look downright stupid 😡
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Old 01-09-2016, 02:48
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Hi guys, I've wrote a new Robron fanfic and would love some feedback on it! For those of you who can remember, I wrote a very popular blog fic with Aaron/Jackson... I've started up another one for Aaron/Robert/Liv.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/792...pters/18106396
Intriguing, unusual format, I'll keep reading!

OMG!! adam thomas donated what he won tonight in mr & mrs to OUAS
I watched the first bit of that but his laughing got on my nerves!

Seriously only 2 weeks ago Robron were flirting it up and throwing around dirty innuendos, it can't be that every episode.
Iconic... Get stuck in!

That depends whether you are ready to renounce your affections for P-arse.
Never! You gotta admit, today in those cycling shorts?? He may be double my age but he's fit for an older guy. Most guys his age are bald, short with ever growing beer-bellys!


It was nice to see the boys, I thought the conversation about the gay bar was actually OK, Robert doesn't like it there and Aaron obviously knows that, the "they" was jumped on by Aaron which I liked. I think Robert is extremely comfortable with his relationship with Aaron and the fact it's public, it's his first open gay relationship, he has never been 'out' so gay bars and clubs have never been part of his life from what we know so are therefore not a natural or comfortable environment for him which should be respected, as time passes he may feel more comfortable with that aspect of the gay world.
Honestly, I still think Robert believes he's not even bisexual. I think he believes that he is flexible but Aaron's the only man for him. So in his eyes a gay bar is for 'them' sort and he's nothing like that.

It's been a while since I was in a relationship over 2 years but im trying to recall how I was then and in other relationships. I do think there was certainly more randomness involved in the couple moments for me. Like out having a meal just the 2 of us there would be a hand hold moment 'sometimes' but honestly you can count them on one hand. Same for public kisses, sometimes they happened sometimes they didn't often for no specific reasoning.
Even now, for me, I still would not dare to kiss a man in public. Or any sort of pda, hand holding etc. Just because I'd be afraid of reactions or ridicule and also because even the looks I might get would make me, who I am and my relationship feel 'degraded' by others. It might be different in other cities but where I am we never see gay or lesbian couples showing PDAs anywhere, and believe me I've looked.

So what I'm saying is, seeing robron not acting couply seems completely normal to me.
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Old 01-09-2016, 03:02
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Robert was not in the mood for anything romantic. He was clearly angry for the entire episode. Nothing to do with Aaron or anything that would threaten their relationship. Perhaps once he has an opportunity to release some anger by threatening Lachlan towards the end of the week a bit we will see some more coupley moments.
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Old 01-09-2016, 04:57
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I will probably get told off for this.
I know as actors who are doing a job they have to do what the script says but I think we have to accept that both Danny and Ryan are straight and appreciate that they will only want to show a certain level of affection that they feel comfortable with and doesn't appear forced. It is quite obvious without the constant touchy feel approach that they care deeply for each other.
I agree with this. I think sometimes people conflate the actors with the characters. As for the "gay pub" thing, not every gay man, still less one who has shown genuine affection to only one man, enjoy the extrovert gay pub scene. I never liked them in my twenties. I am 37 now and even if I had the time I can think of places I would rather be in my limited free time than a gay pub. I think we can assume Robert and Aaron have each other and don't need the gay pub, which is often just a cruising ground.

Not a bad episode last night. Chrissie was a bit Carry On Screaming, but the only bit I FF when I watched at 10.30 was the repetitious and extremely boring Charity/Cain sex antagonism cobblers. Even Liv wasn't that bad,and no Lisa thank God
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Old 01-09-2016, 05:02
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Intriguing, unusual format, I'll keep reading!



I watched the first bit of that but his laughing got on my nerves!



Iconic... Get stuck in!



Never! You gotta admit, today in those cycling shorts?? He may be double my age but he's fit for an older guy. Most guys his age are bald, short with ever growing beer-bellys!



Honestly, I still think Robert believes he's not even bisexual. I think he believes that he is flexible but Aaron's the only man for him. So in his eyes a gay bar is for 'them' sort and he's nothing like that.



Even now, for me, I still would not dare to kiss a man in public. Or any sort of pda, hand holding etc. Just because I'd be afraid of reactions or ridicule and also because even the looks I might get would make me, who I am and my relationship feel 'degraded' by others. It might be different in other cities but where I am we never see gay or lesbian couples showing PDAs anywhere, and believe me I've looked.

So what I'm saying is, seeing robron not acting couply seems completely normal to me
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You've got it 100%. Emmerdale and Hotton are two of the most accepting places in the world. Real life isn't quite so safe and happy.
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Old 01-09-2016, 07:51
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i think, as had been pointed out, peopled finding the Robron scenes difficult atm aren't asking for kisse in ever ep or for them to be all over each other. They are asking just for some warmth and subtle couply stuff like little touches and more couply dialogue even if nothing physical, yes shock horror even a random kiss here and there.. Nobody is asking for them to be like Carly and Marlon or Charity and Cain. Also people seem to be missing the point when mentioning PDA's....nobody has even brought them up. We are't talking about what they do in public.....all this stemmed from last nights scenes where they were alone in their home.
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Old 01-09-2016, 08:34
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roberts comment about the 'gay place' was borderline homophobic. he cant say 'gay bar/club?'

gay place? so weird... and i dont buy the internalized homophobia explanation. i did not understand that exchange at all. he seemed confused as to why gay men would show up at a place specifically for them. like HELLOooooo!!!! earth to robert.

are we to believe robert has 0 knowledge of anything gay??? does he even know what the pride flag looks like??

the writing was bad in that scene and i wish they could have written it a different way without making robert look downright stupid 😡
I ended up wondering where Robert used to go to look for these "one night stands", before he came back to Emmerdale.

Maybe he just doesn't want to relive that part of his past now he has Aaron.
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Old 01-09-2016, 08:58
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I ended up wondering where Robert used to go to look for these "one night stands", before he came back to Emmerdale.

Maybe he just doesn't want to relive that part of his past now he has Aaron.
You could have hit a note here, maybe he cruises their on the rare one night stand moments and doesn't want any old hook up spotting him.
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:33
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In an interview a while ago, Ryan said this... ‘There are exciting times ahead! Later this summer, something’s going to happen that I think people will be really pleased with – and probably excited and shocked. In fact, I’m massively excited about it myself!'

When do you think 'later this summer' is? Surely this exciting and shocking thing must be happening soon, maybe before the October drama, as I would class that as Autumn. Or perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:55
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:59
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In an interview a while ago, Ryan said this... ‘There are exciting times ahead! Later this summer, something’s going to happen that I think people will be really pleased with – and probably excited and shocked. In fact, I’m massively excited about it myself!'

When do you think 'later this summer' is? Surely this exciting and shocking thing must be happening soon, maybe before the October drama, as I would class that as Autumn. Or perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself
Probably what we are seeing now with Robert (and aaron) trying to take down the whites?

But it also could be the oct stuff as don't forget he might be talking about it from a filming POV not when it will be on screen.
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:47
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Originally Posted by Janey230;83805009[B
]I ended up wondering where Robert used to go to look for these "one night stands", [/b]before he came back to Emmerdale.

Maybe he just doesn't want to relive that part of his past now he has Aaron.
He might have used personal ads (or even one of those web apps in more recent times)
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:53
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roberts comment about the 'gay place' was borderline homophobic. he cant say 'gay bar/club?'

gay place? so weird... and i dont buy the internalized homophobia explanation. i did not understand that exchange at all. he seemed confused as to why gay men would show up at a place specifically for them. like HELLOooooo!!!! earth to robert.


are we to believe robert has 0 knowledge of anything gay??? does he even know what the pride flag looks like??

the writing was bad in that scene and i wish they could have written it a different way without making robert look downright stupid 😡

I am always defending Robert, and usually you and me agree, but I do not believe for a minute Robert was being homophobic. Remember he and Aaron live in a pub, they can get a drink at any time without homophobic comments (I have remarked before it is sadly very unlikely they wouldn't have come across them - all Aaron ever got was a thoughtless, casual remark from his grandad, and the spiteful "Wayne" trying to wind him up).

If I were Aaron I would be more worried if Robert wanted to go to a gay pub: the fact that he doesn't means he is happy and content with his life with Aaron. I would start getting worried if either R or A started making trips to "Bar West"
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:55
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All well with me (I have a few hours off even today!), but I was sorry to read your news yesterday.
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:55
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In an interview a while ago, Ryan said this... ‘There are exciting times ahead! Later this summer, something’s going to happen that I think people will be really pleased with – and probably excited and shocked. In fact, I’m massively excited about it myself!'

When do you think 'later this summer' is? Surely this exciting and shocking thing must be happening soon, maybe before the October drama, as I would class that as Autumn. Or perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself
I have been wondering the same and whether it is this current stuff with the Whites,or the October stuff,or something totally different
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Old 01-09-2016, 11:00
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If I am honest,I didn't particularly like Roberts comments about the gay bar etc.I found it a bit strange and I do wish they would explain more about his sexuality.I would just like to know what he really thinks and feels.Yes I know he loves Aaron but there is still unexplained stuff for me,having followed his character for years
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Old 01-09-2016, 11:04
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Originally Posted by andy614;83804826[B
]i think, as had been pointed out, peopled finding the Robron scenes difficult [/b]atm aren't asking for kisse in ever ep or for them to be all over each other. They are asking just for some warmth and subtle couply stuff like little touches and more couply dialogue even if nothing physical, yes shock horror even a random kiss here and there.. Nobody is asking for them to be like Carly and Marlon or Charity and Cain. Also people seem to be missing the point when mentioning PDA's....nobody has even brought them up. We are't talking about what they do in public.....all this stemmed from last nights scenes where they were alone in their home.
Remember though, Andy, Aaron's mum or sister can walk in at any minute. Charity, too when she has her drawers on and isn't chasing Cain. Even Chrissie and the hideous Lachlan walked in unannounced..

I think to some degree they probably write the character to be in tune with the actor playing him: for example, Danny and Marc never seemed very close on screen or in real life (this could be overlooked because Aaron was new to all that: In some ways that applies to Robert now. Aaron is his Jackson). In writing (Twitter etc) Danny will often express love to another person but I doubt he would do it in speech face to face, and Robert (and perhaps Ryan?) comes over as a very matter of fact and perhaps slightly cynical man.

I think the way people "turn" gay or lesbian on Hollyoaks is far more problematic. Either the actors are very eager to please their producer, or they are not as straight as they pretend

Aaron/Danny and Robert/Ryan are,I think very well observed
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Old 01-09-2016, 11:08
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I also feel that what I personally want to see with Robert and Aaron in the way of affection,warmth,passion etc might never happen now in the way I would have liked.I just feel they are written in a particular way that does not allow for it.There are maybe various reasons for that and that ED are trying to keep the longevity of the couple.We are always saying that it is not the right time,one or both of them has too much on their mind,they are busy etc etc.Since the trial,there has been one reason after another for explaining away the lack of 'couply' 'passionate' 'warm' scenes and we keep saying in time this will change.I hoped so for a while,having being really disappointed with the reunion aftermath etc,but now i kind of just think this is how they will be most of the time and I am a bit resigned to it.I just really miss the intensity of their chemistry
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Old 01-09-2016, 11:41
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Probably what we are seeing now with Robert (and aaron) trying to take down the whites?

But it also could be the oct stuff as don't forget he might be talking about it from a filming POV not when it will be on screen.
Yeah, you're probably right. I just thought it sounded more like an event ('something happens'), rather than an ongoing storyline (which I'd class Robron vs the Whites as) - if that makes sense lol. I'm probably reading too much into it tbh
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Old 01-09-2016, 11:54
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Next Tuesday's preview with Aaron:

http://player.stv.tv/video/3ac5/emme...paddy-to-stay/
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:15
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Is tonight the one where Lachlan threatens Robert at the scrapyard?
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:17
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Is tonight the one where Lachlan threatens Robert at the scrapyard?
Yes, I think so. Maybe we'll see more of protective Aaron
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:17
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can't play it... i think all my locations are on and the site knows i'm not in scotland
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:19
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Yes, I think so. Maybe we'll see more of protective Aaron

i thought it was tonight chrissie will lash out at robert... was it the one yesterday, or is another one coming up?
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:34
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hi have you watched last night's epi?
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