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Is Bear really just a naughty schoolboy ?
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hisdogspot
15-08-2016
That task sort of put his whole persona into perspective

Thinking back, he has never been malicious in either his actions or words, and his pranks and wind-ups have been pretty harmless really

Has the reaction to his behaviour, and the absolute condemnation of him here, been out of proportion and over the top ?
Rhumbatugger
15-08-2016
He's a grown man.

And there is an undercurrent of threat and intimidation behind his 'japes'.
MACTOWIN
15-08-2016
He is a disgusting individual with not one redeeming feature that gets off in upsetting almost everyone around him.
hisdogspot
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“He's a grown man.

And there is an undercurrent of threat and intimidation behind his 'japes'.”

But imagined "undercurrents" are really just a matter of perception ... there has been no actual incident where Bear has been either threatening, or intimidating

Not a single one

That's what I mean about his critics perhaps going over the top a bit in their judgement of him
foonk
15-08-2016
No, he's 26.
cah
15-08-2016
He's just an absolute wind up merchant ,but out of them all in there ,he's been the least Malicious in any comments he's made about/to people ,the others have said far worse than Bear ever has
Vicky8675309
15-08-2016
he is a harmless WUM
Bear FTW!
willywonker
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“But imagined "undercurrents" are really just a matter of perception ... there has been no actual incident where Bear has been either threatening, or intimidating

Not a single one

That's what I mean about his critics perhaps going over the top a bit in their judgement of him”

I like him, but Bear can and is a pain in the arse, but your right I have not seen him threaten anyone, I have seen Heavy D threaten Bear blatantly without any undercurrent, but that passed on this board without a ripple.

Perhaps Bear is so disliked, FMs can accept it happening to Bear, but not to any other HMs.
azureanne
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“But imagined "undercurrents" are really just a matter of perception ... there has been no actual incident where Bear has been either threatening, or intimidating

Not a single one

That's what I mean about his critics perhaps going over the top a bit in their judgement of him”

going over the top!!!!! He's a grown man acting like a silly schoolboy + not only in this task but throughout the full show. There is no excuse for his pathetic behaviour
flower 2
15-08-2016
No he is just a product of 'Reality TV' and what is 'Hip' at the moment, making the money makers rich and the suckers proud for a moment, then,........well, i hope they soon wake up and smell the coffee and stop spilling it for the last famous larf they will get.
benbeez1
15-08-2016
nah he's just a d*ck
azureanne
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by benbeez1:
“nah he's just a d*ck”

Spot on
An Thropologist
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“That task sort of put his whole persona into perspective

Thinking back, he has never been malicious in either his actions or words, and his pranks and wind-ups have been pretty harmless really

Has the reaction to his behaviour, and the absolute condemnation of him here, been out of proportion and over the top ?”

Almost everything he does is laced with malice. He is a wanton vandal and worse gets his kicks from causing pain and distress in others. He's like the nasty boy at school that starts pulling the wings off butterflies and graduates to torturing animals and beyond. He deliberately sets out to cause upset. The guy is seriously disturbed.
Mint-Opinion
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“But imagined "undercurrents" are really just a matter of perception ... there has been no actual incident where Bear has been either threatening, or intimidating

Not a single one

That's what I mean about his critics perhaps going over the top a bit in their judgement of him”

He was pretty threatening in the diary room until that security bloke showed up.
flower 2
15-08-2016
Even if he is 'Playacting', should he be applauded?
Zarla
15-08-2016
I think he has a bit of ADHD going on - he always has to be moving, speaking, talking over others, running around. Not malevolent, more irritating.

Chloe kept him occupied but ppl here hated seeing all the PDA.

Lewis and Bear are nothing alike. In a classroom, Lewis would have been one of the academic ones.
SULLA
15-08-2016
I blame Big Brother. Stop showing HIM
kitkat1971
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“That task sort of put his whole persona into perspective

Thinking back, he has never been malicious in either his actions or words, and his pranks and wind-ups have been pretty harmless really

Has the reaction to his behaviour, and the absolute condemnation of him here, been out of proportion and over the top ?”

I don't think the reaction has been over the top, no.

Whether his intent is malicious or not (and the jury is out on that for me), the result is that people get very, very upset, angry, stressed so his actions hurt people. Like the thing with the yearbook. He felt a need to do it so it had to be done for him, blow how everybody else would feel about it.

Even if the damage could be repaired (which I doubt unless it was laminated) how does he think they'd feel seeing their names and phots defaced? It's not nice.

If he truly isn't malicious, then he would learn from incidents which have upset his housemates (like the coffee cocktail) and sincerely apologize for his actions, stating he didn't mean to ofend and try his hardest not to do it again.

That isn't the case, he keeps repeating things he knows upset people so it must be malicious.

Or he has something like Narcissistic Personality Disorder so really isn't in control.
Dilly Daydream
15-08-2016
He's just a prize pratt, a totally unfunny knobhead. I hope his family is suitably embarrassed.
ennui 57
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“But imagined "undercurrents" are really just a matter of perception ... there has been no actual incident where Bear has been either threatening, or intimidating

Not a single one

That's what I mean about his critics perhaps going over the top a bit in their judgement of him”

When Bear started slapping James' head and goading him, I felt intimidated on James' behalf.

It was plain nasty.

And then, when James had the temerity to get his own back, Bear really started getting into an even nastier response.

I'm sure I could elaborate further, but it's a classic bullying manoevre.
kitkat1971
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“But imagined "undercurrents" are really just a matter of perception ... there has been no actual incident where Bear has been either threatening, or intimidating

Not a single one

That's what I mean about his critics perhaps going over the top a bit in their judgement of him”

What about throwing the glass at the Mirror? It doesn't matter that it wasn't at a person, it was still a violent and aggressive act.

Having lived with a violent man, seeing things destroyed is very intimidating and threatening, believe me. Because the fear is that you are next.

His threats to "turn the DR' upside down were also aggressive.
Heatherbell
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“He's a grown man.

And there is an undercurrent of threat and intimidation behind his 'japes'.”

This . 100% .
Behind that cheeky chappie "woo-hoo, let's have fun!" exterior there is a very dark person . Hence him wearing face disguises so much . Masks, sun glasses, face paints . He fears being seen through so he hides himself ------yet he draws attention by playing up 24/7 . It's so weird . His laughter can border on manic but the laughter never reaches his dead fish soul-less eyes . I'd venture to say he has deep deep problems . He shows no empathy , no sweetness . He will baby-voice and smarm to get his way for sure , but even in repose he looks ready to blow a fuse . Even while doing the Year Book trashing , it gave him no joy, no satisfaction . He was just intent on the task and po faced in the aftermath . Creepily po faced .
I thought it was attention seeking , but it's not. He is a very angry person and in my opinion he's dangerous . He's literally screaming for someone to see that he is in pain , but then when someone shows they care he shits on them and pushes them away . Frankly I fear for this guy's future .
Basically and crudely I'm saying I think he's dangerously nuts, in my humble opinion only .
Randysback
15-08-2016
Except naughty schoolboys get punished for misbehaving.. Bear doesn`t
kitkat1971
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by ennui 57:
“When Bear started slapping James' head and goading him, I felt intimidated on James' behalf.

It was plain nasty.

And then, when James had the temerity to get his own back, Bear really started getting into an even nastier response.

I'm sure I could elaborate further, but it's a classic bullying manoevre.”

Yes, I agree.
Touching somebody repeatedly, along with verbal taunts, whilst you and your 2 friends have that person surrounded, and the person keeps saying 'no' and 'stop' is intimidating.
It doesn't matter that it was 'only' his head and they weren't using excessive force.
Erinna
15-08-2016
He is a calculating, malicious person trying to conceal it by acting like a silly little boy playing pranks.

UnBEARable.
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