I said something very similar on another thread.

That's exactly how I perceive him.

I also find his views, repeated several times now with regard to kissing Marnie and defacing the Yearbook, that if he wants to do something, he will and nobody will stop him very threatening as well. Basically his wants and needs over ride everybody else's and if they don't like it, then tough shit.

Now that's annoying enough when it is something trivial like the Yearbook, bit where does it end? If he wants a woman, does she get a say in whether she's kissed? Because you know what that makes him if she doesn't don't you.

I'm not alleging he is that bad, that he wouldn't listen to a woman say No if push came to shove, but his whole attitude which seems to be "want, take, have" i find incredibly concerning and rather scary.

Totally agree with you. Some one on a thread the other night commented that he does everything with a sort of clinical detachment including the seduction of Chloe. I think he is dangerous too. I just can't work out whether he is a danger to others or just himself.

BIB - haha, nice one!

Lewis is to academia as Stephen Hawking is to boxing.

C5 are at fault as well. There have been no consequences for Bear's anti-social behaviour.

His trip to the 'headmasters' office in tonight's highlights show is an example; Bear actually decided what his 'punishment' would be, i.e. Nothing!

It's almost as if BB is scared of him.

Wow! I have to admit surprise at this reaction from you An. You are usually the more less extreme here.

I honestly don't see one bit of malice that isn't more than pure mischief making. This pulling legs of insects is way overboard and no evidence whatsoever.

See now, that's exactly what I meant by 'over-reaction'

This is a plonker off a Reality TV show we're talking about ... not Fred West !

He's dull and repetitive, and mean-spirited with it.

We should perhaps concentrate on the 'plonkers'.....

And leave Fred West to the experts not making TV programmes.

But you said he wasn't malicious, and several posters have given examples of where they thought he was

Absolutely agree. I can't believe how much some fms have lost all sense of perspective and the whole thing has snowballed out of control.

He lacks a morals and ethics filter in the manner teens and pre-teens do . Where anything goes . But he should have passed that stage ten years ago .
His pleasure isn't in doing the nasty things , it's in seeing that it has hurt or offended someone .That's where he gets his jollies . Proof of that is his reaction to being ignored . It drives him nuts and makes him get worse because he MUST get a reaction. Tonight , with the Year Book ? He assumed they'd all go mad at him and when they didn't his face was tripping him . He feeds off negative reaction and can't cope with nice for longer than 3 minutes . Scary bloke and one to avoid .

Honestly? I think there's a massive overreaction towards him that has completely snowballed with people agreeing and agreeing etc without real thought to what they are implying.

It's like the bloody Crucible reading some of the shit I'm reading on here.

Its a question of degrees. He may not be Fred West (and Fred West was a completely different kettle of fish anyway). The point I am making is that he is anti social to an extreme degree. It isn't what he does that is so disturbing its the cold, dead way in which he does it.

It isn't an act. That implies he has created and is inhabiting a character for comic effect like Johnny Vegas or Karl Pilkington. I don't believe 'bear' is a character. Steven is someone with arrested development and anti social tendancies who is playing up for attention at the expense of others.

Believe me Cat I have thought about what I am saying. I am not falling into line with what others are saying to court popularity or to run with the crowd. As you have already pointed out I tend to be less extreme vis a vis the frum climate. But on this occassion I am watching someone who I find really disturbing.

Where is your evidence of the BIB apart from the other stuff you've asserted in this post?

I find it offensive that you are using some pseudo psychology without knowing anything about this housemate other than judging him on a TV show like all of us are.

Well Cat if you don't think he is behaving like a young child and in a manner that is anti social then we will just have to agree to differ. I would have thought it was self evident to anyone, even those who are enjoying his antics or think they are just a wind up.

Believe me An, I've studied psychology myself. Been involved in real life psycho relationships that would scare Renee. And I honestly don't read Bear like this at all. No way. In fact, Renee and Aubrey are far more bloody scary

That is what happens when 'Idiots' try to take control.......the people get their backs up, some more than others.......

An I do absolutely think he's a wind up. Massively. But that spells to me a person whom knows his competition...............and far cleverer than he's being given credit for.

I don't care about the biggest majority. Not one of them have I felt anything like a connection with and I don't need Bear to go to know that. They are so transparent and Bear has only served to show it so clearly. Him acting like an arsehole has brought out how desperate some of his fellow hms are. To me it's like Perez over again.

The difference is that Aubrey and Renee are acting from emotions. You may consider them to be unhealthy emotions and you may not think their actions are the most appropriate actions but there are drivers which would explain their behaviours. The emotional vacuum is what chills me.

Anyway as I said we will have to agree to differ because you will never convince me to find him acceptable and clearly vice versa.

Ahhh well on that we can agree.

What happened to 'NOT TRYING TO GET OTHERS OUT' but 'TRYING TO KEEP YOURSELF IN' by interacting naturally...?

Ok I can see we are going to have to do as you suggest and agree to disagree.

But one thing to me that was very chilling was Aubrey spitting in that drink and food right at the beginning. Is that a normal emotional response to a situation? I liken that to pulling legs of insects. As for Renee? I think she's the 'Great Pretender' in the house.....not Bear. She's got everyone wrapped around her finger.