Haha ....good!

I agree.

He seems to feed on people's reactions to him. He seems to need to be the centre of attention and perhaps history has told/shown him it is easier to be the centre of attention if he plays up than by being the nicest, kindest, best at something etc.
It's why, even though i understand what Ricky was saying and doing re just letting him get on with it, ignoring him won't work. He doesn't seem to have that cut off point of "i'm not getting a reaction, I'll stop now", he will just keep doing more and more extreme things until he gets the reaction he craves.

You could see him going for it with the painting task, not even attempting to paint the life models which should have stopped him winning (even though I quite liked his painting) and 'accidentally' spilling on people. But the others didn't react, indeed they gave him the prize so he had to take it a step further later on.

Please note I emphasis 'seems' in all of this - it is how I read his behaviour/actions after nearly 3 weeks of watching him.

I'm still not sure whether this is all a huge act, almost method acting in preparation, whether he knows exactly what he's doing and is just a nasty piece of work or whether he actually has some kind of personality disorder and isn't in control and doesn't realise/understand what he's doing or others reactions.

Bear was such a 'good sport' in his crave for fame he 'swallowed' it with pride and normality.....

Shame on them both.

No of course not, it was a revolting thing to do. Renee is full of hot air in my opinion. The insect remark was about doing a mildly sadistic thing for effect. I kill insects. I just twatted a moth and I did it without thinking about the rights or feelings of the moth (I care more for my woollies!). But I woudln't tear bits off it slowly or say burn it alive because I would have to engage with the harm I was causing it. I can't produce the callous detachment to dispose of a fly/moth/wasp in anything other than a quick strike.. As I say its not what he (Bear) does its the coldness with which he does it. I was using an analogy.

Nope , I've thought it through a lot and unlike some I choose not to excuse his weirdness by implying he's a just a naughty rambunctious boy .
The reaction is justified considering he has terrorised that group since about three days in . Unfortunately they too thought him just a naughty boy for a time, but I doubt any one of them (bar Lewnie and Colin) will want to ever clap eyes on him again after they finish their contractual obligations and cash their cheques .
He's the epitome of vile .

BIB He also as a tattoo on his hand between his thumb and forefinger that is the lower jaw of a skeleton, he is forever hiding behind that, when he puts his hand up to his face. IMHO he is Non compos mentis

Not just "swallowed it" , but did an Oliver Twist and asked for more .
Grim lack of concern for personal health and very disturbing behaviour .

You see, as despicable as i found Aubrey spitting in the food and drink, I did understand the motivation. To me it was an act borne of frustration at the situation of that task (having half the House be subservient to the other half) and particularly some of the stuff that Bear and Heavy had ordered their robots (or whatever they were called) to do, like washing the dirty underwear and not letting Lewis go to the loo which happened immediately before Bear told her to make his snack - you can see her looking at Lewis before she went out into the Garden if you watch the highlights.

So, yes, it was an ugly and despicable act but it came from a real emotion which the situation in the House, and specifically the winding up had triggered.

I don't approve, but I understand it. Much more than somebody deliberately winding other people up on a daily, if not hourly basis and not letting up even when they can see somebody is at breaking point.

That, to me, is either nastier if a deliberate game plan or disturbing if that is his actual personality and mindset.

Renee i think is frustrated precisely because she does not have everybody round her finger and she thinks they should be. That meltdown late last week was as much about the other Housemates not having her back no matter what in any disagreement with Bear and Chloe than their original behaviour imo.

I do agree that if this is all deliberate and a game plan, Bear is much cleverer than I'd have imagined he was at the start of this process and I'll give him credit for that.

But I still think he is a horrible person as that means his game plan has been to make life as difficult, stressful and unpleasant as possible for all his other housemates. And somebody that is able to put other human beings through that for a month just isn't somebody i could ever like or admire.

I've also thought a lot about this and am not being swayed by anybody else's opinions on the subject.

I find it all too convenient for a collective dislike of Bear where we have many fans of the others that can easily gang up on the one housemate.

That's what I'm seeing on this forum at the moment. And I accept that.

But what I don't accept is all this voodoo horsheshit that Bear is some kind on evil psycho.

by the sound of it that is how his family are at home, so I doubt they are embarrassed.

bib , well you can exclude me from that sweeping generalisation , because in truth I don't vote and don't particularly care who wins , as long as it isn't Baby Bear or Lewnie .

Well as far as I've seen you are the only person who used "evil psycho." in reference to him, so accepting it or not is entirely your prerogative . Most people criticising him just think him a nasty emotionless piece of work with disturbing tendencies to create havoc just for sheer nastiness (not for fun ) and to mentally mess with people's heads .

He said as much about women when he went in the house
If I want her I'll have her
In the diary room 'if I want to do something I'll do it'

What a despicable person he is. Good job we don't all behave like that in 'real' life
And in the defence of young people, neither do most of them behave like Stephen. I work with young people and I have 2 older children myself. He is not representative in my world fortunately



Oh and I was bloody furious on their behalf about the year book , what a nasty vile thing to do

We all have watched either comedy programmes or Soaps ...... and we all know they are acting.......

This is supposed to be a reality show......and if Bear isn't 'Acting' then he has a 'Problem'.

I'm also not part of a club of people that demonise Bear whilst supporting other housemates.

Go back through all my posts on this season,, i haven't shown support for anybody. I haven't voted. To be honest, I'd be hard oressed to say who I want to win, who i think deserves to win as they are nearly all horrible in different ways or to different degrees or we haven't seen enough of them to judge.

It's just that I think Bear is by far the worst of them. But i also can't stand Lewis, Heavy, Renee or Chloe by the time she left. Saira and Grant were both awful too. Aubrey i've liked at times but the spitting thing was foul, even though i do understand what drove her to it. I've never much liked James Whale though I am glad he stayed in booth times.

Who does that leave?
Sam or Ricky I guess.

I think he is. I also think he does the things he does and pushes the limit as far as he does because he's not taking any of it seriously! I don't think he has any idea just how seriously some of them are taking it either. Bear is not nasty or evil or malicious, he's just a knob that likes the sound of his own voice and making people go a bit crazy.

Is there an ointment for knobs?

Yes, but it takes 1-2 weeks to be effective.