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Bear Is S**t
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BlueStreak
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“He IS most certainly a bully - and I am tired of the tired old "wind-up merchant" excuse
(which to me suggests some type of pathology too).

When the target clearly is getting distressed and asks the Bully to leave their personal space - and they don't - it is bullying and provocative. It clearly is not being accepted as a joke by the target and this should be a clue to stop.

If the Target is not enjoying the "wind-up" which should be fun or at least acceptable to both parties, it is ceases to become a joke.
Otherwise it is selfish, self- aggrandising infantile behaviour at the expense of others.

Most social behaviour requires mutual respect of boundaries . Where one person's boundary ends and another begins is a matter of debate . But when someone asks you to leave them alone and has nowhere to escape from you ...it ceases to be a wind-up and becomes anti-social and unacceptable.
NO means NO.”

Absolutely. Excellent post.

Bunions
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“He IS most certainly a bully - and I am tired of the tired old "wind-up merchant" excuse
(which to me suggests some type of pathology too).

When the target clearly is getting distressed and asks the Bully to leave their personal space - and they don't - it is bullying and provocative. It clearly is not being accepted as a joke by the target and this should be a clue to stop.

If the Target is not enjoying the "wind-up" which should be fun or at least acceptable to both parties, it is ceases to become a joke.
Otherwise it is selfish, self- aggrandising infantile behaviour at the expense of others.

Most social behaviour requires mutual respect of boundaries . Where one person's boundary ends and another begins is a matter of debate . But when someone asks you to leave them alone and has nowhere to escape from you ...it ceases to be a wind-up and becomes anti-social and unacceptable.
NO means NO.”

*Applauds*

Excellent, brilliantly observed post

Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Fantastic post Astute. Well said.”

Very Astute in fact
xuryxx
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Seymour:
“Only If you enjoy watching one trick ponies!”

Precisely, he does the same thing every episode the repetitiveness of his actions and behaviour is extremely boring.
xuryxx
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“Jesus Wept - Bear is now favourite to win according to the Bookies.”

The same bookies who predicted that Hughie would win the summer BB?
An Thropologist
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“He IS most certainly a bully - and I am tired of the tired old "wind-up merchant" excuse
(which to me suggests some type of pathology too).

When the target clearly is getting distressed and asks the Bully to leave their personal space - and they don't - it is bullying and provocative. It clearly is not being accepted as a joke by the target and this should be a clue to stop.

If the Target is not enjoying the "wind-up" which should be fun or at least acceptable to both parties, it is ceases to become a joke.
Otherwise it is selfish, self- aggrandising infantile behaviour at the expense of others.

Most social behaviour requires mutual respect of boundaries . Where one person's boundary ends and another begins is a matter of debate . But when someone asks you to leave them alone and has nowhere to escape from you ...it ceases to be a wind-up and becomes anti-social and unacceptable.
NO means NO.”

Very well put.
Xuri
16-08-2016
It's not so much the behaviour that I think is the problem. There have always been obnoxious wind up's in the house. My problem is BB's obvious bias in favour of him. He's not kept in check and the other HM's can't do anything about him while they know BB has his back. They've engineered his win and made a complete farce of the programme in the process.

I find the whole thing embarrassing. But so long as the ratings remain, because loyal BB fans have been replaced by faddy TOWIE/Geordie viewers, they won't care.
Scarlett Berry
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Xuri:
“It's not so much the behaviour that I think is the problem. There have always been obnoxious wind up's in the house. My problem is BB's obvious bias in favour of him. He's not kept in check and the other HM's can't do anything about him while they know BB has his back. They've engineered his win and made a complete farce of the programme in the process.

I find the whole thing embarrassing. But so long as the ratings remain, because loyal BB fans have been replaced by faddy TOWIE/Geordie viewers, they won't care.”

Sadly, very true.
Aimee
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by HORS_TROFF:
“Its Marco Crap All Over Again Except We Kicked Him Out In Week 1
Get Bear Out! Get Bear Out!”

I agree with the title. bear is sh*t>

Sadly, 'vote to save' keeps him in or he'd be looooong gone, like Marco was. {there's another thread going atm proving this beyond any doubt.]
Astute
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Xuri:
“It's not so much the behaviour that I think is the problem. There have always been obnoxious wind up's in the house. My problem is BB's obvious bias in favour of him. He's not kept in check and the other HM's can't do anything about him while they know BB has his back. They've engineered his win and made a complete farce of the programme in the process.

I find the whole thing embarrassing. But so long as the ratings remain, because loyal BB fans have been replaced by faddy TOWIE/Geordie viewers, they won't care.”

Agreed .

But BB in showing it, goes some way to explain why they all look so deflated, ground down and even traumatised.

On the other hand , by neglecting their duty of care and in "stepping in" far too late to address this ridiculous pantomime - BB has, in fact, encouraged it, exacerbated the behaviour and I think it may be too late to address now.

Even if Bore were evicted, thrown out, removed - the others are so worn down and deflated - it is barely worth watching.
fredster
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by ghosty:
“Bear is a pain in the Ar_e , how many " final " warnings does he get before he is removed , get rid of BB`s favorite and lets see the other real Celebrity`s in there and as for BOTS ( SOTS ) is all about Bear so not worth watching .”

I don't think they have given him any official warnings . They are all to scared of him.
fredster
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Excellent post.

He's a brilliant housemate and while imperfect at times, those imperfections just make him a more fascinating individual to observe.”

I am sorry, he is not a brilliant housemate. He is a show off and a bully. No respect for authority and his fellow housemates. The producers are totally neglecting the others and pandering to him all the time.
Scarlett Berry
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by fredster:
“I am sorry, he is not a brilliant housemate. He is a show off and a bully. No respect for authority and his fellow housemates. The producers are totally neglecting the others and pandering to him all the time.”

Couldn't agree more.
JVS
16-08-2016
All these generalisations and airy-fairy accusations about bullying. yet not one instance is mentioned and no-one is named as having been bullied.

I've seen bullying on BB before and what Bear is doing is winding people up - not bullying. Repetitive unwarranted use of the word dilutes its meaning.
Astute
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by JVS:
“All these generalisations and airy-fairy accusations about bullying. yet not one instance is mentioned and no-one is named as having been bullied.

I've seen bullying on BB before and what Bear is doing is winding people up - not bullying. Repetitive unwarranted use of the word dilutes its meaning.”

It goes beyond that - and if you can't see it from Renee's repeatedly asking him not to talk to her - and him encroaching on her personal space - then it isn't worth explaining

ETA : And in addition, as an analogy , you would probably not understand the legal construct of ASSAULT where threats are made but no physical contact is made either
Virgil Tracy
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“He IS most certainly a bully - and I am tired of the tired old "wind-up merchant" excuse
(which to me suggests some type of pathology too).

When the target clearly is getting distressed and asks the Bully to leave their personal space - and they don't - it is bullying and provocative. It clearly is not being accepted as a joke by the target and this should be a clue to stop.”

I did see Frankie do that to Bear , Bear continually asked him to get out of his personal space but Frankie wouldn't .

Quote:
“If the Target is not enjoying the "wind-up" which should be fun or at least acceptable to both parties, it is ceases to become a joke.
Otherwise it is selfish, self- aggrandising infantile behaviour at the expense of others.

Most social behaviour requires mutual respect of boundaries . Where one person's boundary ends and another begins is a matter of debate . But when someone asks you to leave them alone and has nowhere to escape from you ...it ceases to be a wind-up and becomes anti-social and unacceptable.
NO means NO.”

I think Bear handles Renee quite well , the woman is very aggressive and abusive , Bear turns it into a joke , but she continues swearing at him .


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al_capo
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by fredster:
“I am sorry, he is not a brilliant housemate. He is a show off and a bully. No respect for authority and his fellow housemates. The producers are totally neglecting the others and pandering to him all the time.”

Why should he respect them? All they do is slate him
Xuri
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by al_capo:
“Why should he respect them? All they do is slate him”

That's a little chicken and the egg.
heresitting
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“He IS most certainly a bully - and I am tired of the tired old "wind-up merchant" excuse
(which to me suggests some type of pathology too).

When the target clearly is getting distressed and asks the Bully to leave their personal space - and they don't - it is bullying and provocative. It clearly is not being accepted as a joke by the target and this should be a clue to stop.

If the Target is not enjoying the "wind-up" which should be fun or at least acceptable to both parties, it is ceases to become a joke.
Otherwise it is selfish, self- aggrandising infantile behaviour at the expense of others.

Most social behaviour requires mutual respect of boundaries . Where one person's boundary ends and another begins is a matter of debate . But when someone asks you to leave them alone and has nowhere to escape from you ...it ceases to be a wind-up and becomes anti-social and unacceptable.
NO means NO.”

I think that may be Bear's downfall.... seems that HeavyD will go this evening, so now Bear is without a close ally So unless Bear can get Aubrey under his thumb before the next eviction... when Lewis is voted out next, that leaves Bear and Marnie.

Can't see Bear respecting any boundaries where Marnie is concerned. Add alcohol and he'll make a grab for her, which I don't think Marnie will respond to.

That could be the incident to which BB has to take seriously.
Astute
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“I did see Frankie do that to Bear , Bear continually asked him to get out of his personal space but Frankie wouldn't .



I think Bear handles Renee quite well , the woman is very aggressive and abusive , Bear turns it into a joke , but she continues swearing at him .


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BIB This is the pattern of an emotionally abusive person : goads and goads and goads someone- especially after they have asked him to leave them alone - and then when they do lose it - he sits back and smiles and looks around at everyone with "look what I have to deal with ...."

Passive Aggression .
revolver44
16-08-2016
Close the thread, the title alone says all anyone needs to know
Virgil Tracy
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“BIB This is the pattern of an emotionally abusive person : goads and goads and goads someone- especially after they have asked him to leave them alone - and then when they do lose it - he sits back and smiles and looks around at everyone with "look what I have to deal with ...."

Passive Aggression .”

she's the one that's abusive .

Who the hell does she think she is demanding that another HM not speak to her ? he can speak if he wants , and he handles it well , she winds herself up with all that hate and anger she's got , he doesn't respond like that .

she needs to realise that making threats and being abusive isn't the right way to talk to people .

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Astute
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“she's the one that's abusive .

Who the hell does she think she is demanding that another HM not speak to her ? he can speak if he wants , and he handles it well , she winds herself up with all that hate and anger she's got , he doesn't respond like that .

she needs to realise that making threats and being abusive isn't the right way to talk to people .
.”

She asked him to not come near her . He winds her up . She knows it . He knows it .
She has been around abusive men before .
I would certainly ask him not to come near me - I find him goading, tormenting and repulsive.
You have noticed he doesn't do this to the guys ?
Scarlett Berry
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“It goes beyond that - and if you can't see it from Renee's repeatedly asking him not to talk to her - and him encroaching on her personal space - then it isn't worth explaining

ETA : And in addition, as an analogy , you would probably not understand the legal construct of ASSAULT where threats are made but no physical contact is made either”

Well said.
Virgil Tracy
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Astute:
“She asked him to not come near her . He winds her up . She knows it . He knows it .
She has been around abusive men before .
I would certainly ask him not to come near me - I find him goading, tormenting and repulsive.
You have noticed he doesn't do this to the guys ?”

he didn't go near her .

she demanded he didn't even speak to her ( with the usual swearing and abuse )

BB need to have a word with her .

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Astute
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“he didn't go near her .

she demanded he didn't even speak to her ( with the usual swearing and abuse )

BB need to have a word with her .

.”

I've seen quite a few scenes where he did and then he circles around , making goading comments followed by "just sayin' "" ( with his hands in ape-like surrender)
I don't know what you are watching
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