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Old 31-08-2016, 18:51
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It's confirmed: http://www.chelseafc.com/

The board need congratulating there. A PL / CL double is now a possibility in the not too distant future.

mozza must be crying into his risotto..
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Old 02-09-2016, 22:31
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Antonio Conte has got a gem in David Luiz, and a Chelsea man through and through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTYmUZRbOVE

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Old 03-09-2016, 11:45
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Antonio Conte has got a gem in David Luiz, and a Chelsea man through and through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTYmUZRbOVE

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It doesn't matter how much he loves the club. It's all down to whether or not he's a great defender!
I have to say that as part of a central two he gives me the willies every time the ball goes near him. Imho, the best and only way to use him is the way Rafa started to use him in his last few months in charge when he put him in front of the back four.
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Old 03-09-2016, 12:57
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I think people make too much of Luiz's defensive errors. Yes, he's prone to stupid mistakes, but there's so much more to the rest of his game.
He was included in the FIFA World Team of The Year at the 2014 Ballon do'r Awards. He helped PSG gain back to back trebles in Ligue 1 during the two seasons he was with them. He was named in the Ligue 1 team of the year on both occasions.
He was in the Brazilian team that suffered the humiliating 0-7 thrashing by Germany, but that was a freakish result and may have done him some good. He will never want to experience anything like that again !
As I've said previously, when he was with Chelsea before I always preferred to see his name on the team sheet even with the possibility of some defensive gaffe. There's no reason to think he's gone backwards from what I've seen, so I'm looking foward to once again seeing the dynamism he can bring with his swashbuckling forays from the back.
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Old 03-09-2016, 16:32
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mozza must be crying into his risotto..
Why's that?
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Old 03-09-2016, 16:39
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Because someone called him "Mozza"?
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Old 03-09-2016, 17:00
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Morrissey loves a risotto.
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Old 03-09-2016, 17:20
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Old 03-09-2016, 17:25
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Perhaps the Risotto is too wet
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Old 03-09-2016, 21:27
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Perhaps the Risotto is too wet
Crying into it won't help.

I suspect that Mourinho couldn't give less of a sh*t about Luiz. Despite what the Liverpool fan would like to think.
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Old 03-09-2016, 21:29
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Crying into it won't help.

I suspect that Mourinho couldn't give less of a sh*t about Luiz. Despite what the Liverpool fan would like to think.
Why would José care who Chelsea sign now, they are not his priority anymore.
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Old 03-09-2016, 21:42
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Crying into it won't help.

I suspect that Mourinho couldn't give less of a sh*t about Luiz. Despite what the Liverpool fan would like to think.
I suspect you're correct.
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Old 04-09-2016, 12:57
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I think people make too much of Luiz's defensive errors. Yes, he's prone to stupid mistakes, but there's so much more to the rest of his game.
He was included in the FIFA World Team of The Year at the 2014 Ballon do'r Awards. He helped PSG gain back to back trebles in Ligue 1 during the two seasons he was with them. He was named in the Ligue 1 team of the year on both occasions.
He was in the Brazilian team that suffered the humiliating 0-7 thrashing by Germany, but that was a freakish result and may have done him some good. He will never want to experience anything like that again !
As I've said previously, when he was with Chelsea before I always preferred to see his name on the team sheet even with the possibility of some defensive gaffe. There's no reason to think he's gone backwards from what I've seen, so I'm looking foward to once again seeing the dynamism he can bring with his swashbuckling forays from the back.
His joy in just playing is always great to see, and i loved having him as a Chelsea player, but his recklessness was very frustrating at times. He was better in front of the back four where his errors and recklessness were not as hurtful.
His attitude in that defeat to Germany did stink though. It looked like he gave up when they went 2 down, and that is unforgivable from a pro at any level, never mind the top level.
Some in the media have said this is a panic buy and a sign that things are going wrong at Chelsea, with them not being able to bring in their number one choices. I'm not so sure about that. We got Kante, who is as good as signing as any team have made this summer, plus a couple of other decent ones. It's not like our rivals have gone out and got several great signings. It's getting tougher and tougher at the top end in every kind of way. The days when we could blow other clubs out of the water are long gone! But that's good for the Premiership and football as a whole imho.
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Old 05-09-2016, 14:54
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I suspect that Mourinho couldn't give less of a sh*t about Luiz. Despite what the Liverpool fan would like to think.
Will you please leave this 'Liverpool fan' crap out of this thread!
Post it in the other thread if you must. A place where the three thought police will lap it up.
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Old 05-09-2016, 17:52
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His joy in just playing is always great to see, and i loved having him as a Chelsea player, but his recklessness was very frustrating at times. He was better in front of the back four where his errors and recklessness were not as hurtful.
His attitude in that defeat to Germany did stink though. It looked like he gave up when they went 2 down, and that is unforgivable from a pro at any level, never mind the top level.
Some in the media have said this is a panic buy and a sign that things are going wrong at Chelsea, with them not being able to bring in their number one choices. I'm not so sure about that. We got Kante, who is as good as signing as any team have made this summer, plus a couple of other decent ones. It's not like our rivals have gone out and got several great signings. It's getting tougher and tougher at the top end in every kind of way. The days when we could blow other clubs out of the water are long gone! But that's good for the Premiership and football as a whole imho.
I think against Germany he was just shell shocked along with the rest of the team, Brazil disintegrated before our eyes. But Brazil were a disjointed mess of a team in that tournament, a result like that was just waiting to happen. We've seen Luiz play some great games since then, including against Chelsea.
Yes, Kante looks to be a great signing. I was surprised we didn't have more competition to get his signature, perhaps the Raneiri connection helped ? He's just the player we've been looking for since the days of Makelele, I never thought we'd see anyone quite like him again.
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Old 05-09-2016, 17:59
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Getting in early in the window with Kante might have helped as well. Before all the rest pulled their finger out!
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:03
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Getting in early in the window with Kante might have helped as well. Before all the rest pulled their finger out!
Also I am not sure who really would have wanted him.

Yes Utd was after him but I not sure he was on their 1st choice list.

He knew he was a player we badly needed and the move to London etc suited him.

We activated the transfer fee clause, Once that happened I don't think anyone else really wanted to get into a bidding war for him.

It was just a very simple transfer to pull off one even we could not muck up
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:12
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Also I am not sure who really would have wanted him.

Yes Utd was after him but I not sure he was on their 1st choice list.

He knew he was a player we badly needed and the move to London etc suited him.

We activated the transfer fee clause, Once that happened I don't think anyone else really wanted to get into a bidding war for him.

It was just a very simple transfer to pull off one even we could not muck up
Top quality player to sit in front of the defence, break up the play and create.... Showed his class last season.

Do you say others wouldnt really have wanted him because they dont traditionally (over the last 12 years or so!) play with that holding/defensive midfielder or because they didnt think he was worth the money?

I think because you got in there so early, that trigger in the release clause worked... prices in the market seemed to go up between june and August, he might have been £10 mill more by August!
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Old 05-09-2016, 18:34
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Top quality player to sit in front of the defence, break up the play and create.... Showed his class last season.

Do you say others wouldnt really have wanted him because they dont traditionally (over the last 12 years or so!) play with that holding/defensive midfielder or because they didnt think he was worth the money?

I think because you got in there so early, that trigger in the release clause worked... prices in the market seemed to go up between june and August, he might have been £10 mill more by August!
I just think teams had other priorities at the time in terms of who they wanted to bring in as well as type. Teams have to do transfers in a different way nowadays due to the number of teams who can pay the money, He was a key player in this window for us I not sure he was in any other teams window, If they got him fantastic but if not it was one of those things, Where as with us if we did not get him this window even if we did get other first choice players in it would have not been as successful . In the past you could take longer to do deals or wait around, Today you have to identify your "first picks" and get them done first. Yes acting quickly helped us but I think him knowing he was top of the list when it came to starting our business helped just as much where as other teams would have liked him they prioritized bringing in a Striker (or a different type of player) first.

For example I think Bayshuayi was rushed forward because other teams had made him a priority so while we was looking at him the way the window was going we had to move him up the list
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Old 05-09-2016, 20:21
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Yes, Man City had already signed Gundogan ( great value if he stays fit) and they have Fernandinho who is underrated in my opinion. So I don't suppose they would have been in for Kante. Arsenal don't get into bidding wars, I'd love to play Arsene Wenger at poker, he'd fold anything less than a full house if you went all- in.
Bit surprised (and glad) that Man United didn't make a move for him though.
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Old 05-09-2016, 20:34
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Yes, Man City had already signed Gundogan ( great value if he stays fit) and they have Fernandinho who is underrated in my opinion. So I don't suppose they would have been in for Kante. Arsenal don't get into bidding wars, I'd love to play Arsene Wenger at poker, he'd fold anything less than a full house if you went all- in.
Bit surprised (and glad) that Man United didn't make a move for him though.
I think they would have liked him but he would have been a first team player for them for us he was always going to be a key player for us and I think that gave us the advantage,

Our window was going to be measured by getting a player like him, Utd's was measured by getting players like Pogba
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Old 06-09-2016, 13:45
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I think against Germany he was just shell shocked along with the rest of the team, Brazil disintegrated before our eyes. But Brazil were a disjointed mess of a team in that tournament, a result like that was just waiting to happen. We've seen Luiz play some great games since then, including against Chelsea.
Yes, Kante looks to be a great signing. I was surprised we didn't have more competition to get his signature, perhaps the Raneiri connection helped ? He's just the player we've been looking for since the days of Makelele, I never thought we'd see anyone quite like him again.
None of us can possibly come up with it, but I would love to what the error stats are for Luiz at Chelsea.
How many pens from his challenges, free kicks around the box, carelessly losing the ball in dangerous areas and goals conceeded due to his errors??? He might be one of those players who's mistakes were exagerrated!
Anyway, his return means Mikel is being pushed further and further out of the picture, so that's fine by me!
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Old 06-09-2016, 20:34
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A very good article by Pat Nevin who is a decent analyst and a big fan of the club:

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest...d-is-back.html

I agree that some of Luiz's mistakes have been way over exaggerated. One pundit on Match of the Day described him as a liability and someone who can't defend. That pundit has a limited knowledge of football imo. His defending is outstanding a lot of the time and overlooked, especially his interceptions.

Luiz is a massive player and a winner. He won BIG trophies (not the League cup) at Chelsea, and won the treble TWICE at PSG.

At the world cup he was exposed a bit, and that was Scolari's fault. He had very little cover in front of him, and tactically that was very poor decision making. He gets drawn into forward positions because he is so good in forward positions. Some of his goals are goals that world class strikers would be proud of.

At Chelsea he has got a world class coach and tactician who is equally as committed to winning, and he has very good defensive midfielders around him now, especially Kante.

If he was bought as just a CB, there would be a slight question mark. He is not comfortable playing that position all the time because he is so good getting forward. He is a utility player, who can play very well at CB but who can also be used in any defensive position and in any central midfield position, as big Pat says.
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Old 07-09-2016, 18:29
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Thanks for that article.

I"all always have a soft spot for Nevin. It was the Nevin, Dixon and Speedie era when i started to go and watch Chelsea.
I also remember Paul Cannoville saying it was the likes of Pat and Kerry who helped him get through the times when the disgusting Chelsea Nazis were trying to drive him away with their racist filth.
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Old 07-09-2016, 18:47
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Thanks for that article.

I"all always have a soft spot for Nevin. It was the Nevin, Dixon and Speedie era when i started to go and watch Chelsea.
I also remember Paul Cannoville saying it was the likes of Pat and Kerry who helped him get through the times when the disgusting Chelsea Nazis were trying to drive him away with their racist filth.
Pat was a massive help to Canners during those days, Its a shame all the players did not do the same (we prob would not have sold him otherwise)
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