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Old 07-09-2016, 19:05
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Pat was a massive help to Canners during those days, Its a shame all the players did not do the same (we prob would not have sold him otherwise)
They were very different times and attitudes back then. No doubt there were some racist players in the team or those that just didn't care about such issues. Not just at Chelsea FC btw.
John Neal and one or two others also tried to help Paul.
I remember hearing David Mellor talk about the disgusting abuse going on around him when Paul nade his debut. What he thougjt looked like a perfectly normal couple (man and woman) were almost spitting blood with genuine hatred on their faces. They were tough days being a Chelsea fan. I cannot blame Mellor for stopping going and watching Fulham instead.
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Old 07-09-2016, 20:57
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They were very different times and attitudes back then. No doubt there were some racist players in the team or those that just didn't care about such issues. Not just at Chelsea FC btw.
John Neal and one or two others also tried to help Paul.
I remember hearing David Mellor talk about the disgusting abuse going on around him when Paul nade his debut. What he thougjt looked like a perfectly normal couple (man and woman) were almost spitting blood with genuine hatred on their faces. They were tough days being a Chelsea fan. I cannot blame Mellor for stopping going and watching Fulham instead.
Strange, I thought you said you were a regular to the Bridge in those days so why not quote your own experiences instead of those of a Tory MP. ?

Why were they tough days ? You were personally affected by it all or just the team didn't win much ?

You're right in that football was very different but I never had a problem going, it wasnt tough at all being a fan. It was indeed a very different crowd. Unfortunately racism was rife and seemingly accepted but certainly not just at Chelsea. Football was very different but not tough.

Chelsea Nazis ? I assume you mean the Chelsea Headhunters who had links to the NF.
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Old 07-09-2016, 22:11
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Old 07-09-2016, 22:24
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For the record I live a long way from London. I have never been able to either have the time or money to attend games week in week out.
I was not at Cannovilles debut but Mellor was and saw at first hand the disgusting behaviour from the people around him.
Yes, they were f-ing Nazis. At other games i saw many Nazi salutes and heard the most extreme racist filth I'd heard in my life.
I remember being at West Brom, and though we were pretty shit, there were still many thousands following us away. It was a day of utter shame when it seemed like 90% of the Chelsea fans were standing up giving Nazi salutes while chanting there's only one Princess Michael.
I wanted to walk out and never go again, so I would call that being tough.
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Old 07-09-2016, 22:27
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Does it matter what particular group/party they belonged to? All the same as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 08-09-2016, 07:44
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For the record I live a long way from London. I have never been able to either have the time or money to attend games week in week out.
I was not at Cannovilles debut but Mellor was and saw at first hand the disgusting behaviour from the people around him.
Yes, they were f-ing Nazis. At other games i saw many Nazi salutes and heard the most extreme racist filth I'd heard in my life.
I remember being at West Brom, and though we were pretty shit, there were still many thousands following us away. It was a day of utter shame when it seemed like 90% of the Chelsea fans were standing up giving Nazi salutes while chanting there's only one Princess Michael.
I wanted to walk out and never go again, so I would call that being tough.
There's only one Princess Michael ? That's a new one on me. I doubt they even understood why !

I found it very easy too avoid extreme racism at The Bridge. It was pretty obvious where you were going to get it. Racist comments not so much so but they happened in virtually all grounds and from what you would call normal people.

It was tough watching some dire football at times.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:16
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Thanks for that article.

I"all always have a soft spot for Nevin. It was the Nevin, Dixon and Speedie era when i started to go and watch Chelsea.
I also remember Paul Cannoville saying it was the likes of Pat and Kerry who helped him get through the times when the disgusting Chelsea Nazis were trying to drive him away with their racist filth.
He's a very good analyst and pundit. Played for a few different clubs but his loyalties are clearly with Chelsea.
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Old 08-09-2016, 11:20
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News broke that Princess Michaels dad was an SS officer and we just happened to be playing West From that weekend. They all knew full well why they were chanting and giving Nazi salutes.

It was significant that while thousands upon thousands of fans were deserting the club the away support remained very strong but it was a very politicised following with links to extremist Glasgow Rangers UDF groups and others.
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Old 08-09-2016, 13:01
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News broke that Princess Michaels dad was an SS officer and we just happened to be playing West From that weekend. They all knew full well why they were chanting and giving Nazi salutes.

It was significant that while thousands upon thousands of fans were deserting the club the away support remained very strong but it was a very politicised following with links to extremist Glasgow Rangers UDF groups and others.
Fans deserted the club due to lack of success & quality of football, not racism at SB.
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Old 08-09-2016, 22:01
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I very much doubt David Mellor was the only one put off by our clubs fans links to the extreme right.
The NF recruiting outside the Bridge.
Things got so bad our away games were being made all ticket with some matches where no tickets were being sold to Chelsea. I remember having to travel to grounds in the Midlands buying tickets so i could pass them onto a few Chelsea fans in London. In order to do everything possible to stop Chelsea fans attending the game, a game at Coventry was played at the joke time of 11am on a Sunday. Think it might even have been 10am. Somehow or other there was still a healthy Chelsea contingent there that morning.
We didn't own our stadium and developers breathing down our necks.
A dump of a stadium located in the richest borough in England.
Nevermind trying to be good or win something, for many years all Ken Bates's and the boards efforts were just about keeping Chelsea at the Bridge and alive as a club.
That is why it was tough being a Chelsea fan back then.
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Old 08-09-2016, 22:43
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I very much doubt David Mellor was the only one put off by our clubs fans links to the extreme right.
The NF recruiting outside the Bridge.
Things got so bad our away games were being made all ticket with some matches where no tickets were being sold to Chelsea. I remember having to travel to grounds in the Midlands buying tickets so i could pass them onto a few Chelsea fans in London. In order to do everything possible to stop Chelsea fans attending the game, a game at Coventry was played at the joke time of 11am on a Sunday. Think it might even have been 10am. Somehow or other there was still a healthy Chelsea contingent there that morning.
We didn't own our stadium and developers breathing down our necks.
A dump of a stadium located in the richest borough in England.
Nevermind trying to be good or win something, for many years all Ken Bates's and the boards efforts were just about keeping Chelsea at the Bridge and alive as a club.
That is why it was tough being a Chelsea fan back then.
Only if you went to football expecting something that was not on offer.

If you went there as a supporter and went there because of the bond with the team and fellow fans and for the special feeling you got from following Chelsea they was amazing days and will never be seen again (not just for Chelsea but fans of many clubs)

As with everything you get out what you put in and what you want from something like football.

Being a Chelsea fan has never been tough, Following something you love is part of you is never "tough" its always easy.
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Old 08-09-2016, 22:46
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Crowd issues were not exclusive to Chelsea of course and there were far tougher places to visit. Millwall and West Ham in London and if you risked going to Merseyside you had to keep quiet until in the ground too avoid anyone hearing your accent. You could almost make a case for every ground.
Many a time in Fulham Road you had to swiftly move out the way of warring fans.
Was it tough, well I was there again next home game.
Save the Bridge and barbed wire around the fence, it was just all part of being a fan in those days.
The word tough though never entered my head.
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Old 08-09-2016, 23:34
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Only if you went to football expecting something that was not on offer.

If you went there as a supporter and went there because of the bond with the team and fellow fans and for the special feeling you got from following Chelsea they was amazing days and will never be seen again (not just for Chelsea but fans of many clubs)

As with everything you get out what you put in and what you want from something like football.

Being a Chelsea fan has never been tough, Following something you love is part of you is never "tough" its always easy.
What was so amazing about those days
Thousands upon thousands deserting the club at a real time of need shows that era was anything but amazing!
On and off the pitch, the last 20 years urinates all over those dark days!!!
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Old 08-09-2016, 23:57
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What was so amazing about those days
Thousands upon thousands deserting the club at a real time of need shows that era was anything but amazing!
On and off the pitch, the last 20 years urinates all over those dark days!!!
As I said it depends on why you went.

For the friendships and connections and the mental connection to the club and the ground and the players and other fans those "dark" days was actuallly the greatest.

In a purely materialistic POV then you have a point.

Both are just as valid depending on the type of person you are

But for me those days are why I am a Chelsea fan, Would I feel the same way if I was growing up as a fan today would I have the same feelings/connection to the club? I don't know it's all very different now.

For me it's about my connection to the club and while the bridge might have been a "dump" it was our dump, did fans leave the club? Yes but guess what who gives a flying f, we who stayed behind have a bond that will never be broken and one that has continued though children and grandchildren, Was the stuff on the pitch not of a great standard? Nope but that's not what being a fan is about, It's about more then that. They might have not been the best players but like the Bridge they was our players.

If you have to ask what was so amazing about those days and you was there then sorry I feel bad for you because In my view you missed out on the main reason for going to football and what it really is about
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Old 09-09-2016, 07:46
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As I said it depends on why you went.

For the friendships and connections and the mental connection to the club and the ground and the players and other fans those "dark" days was actuallly the greatest.

In a purely materialistic POV then you have a point.

Both are just as valid depending on the type of person you are

But for me those days are why I am a Chelsea fan, Would I feel the same way if I was growing up as a fan today would I have the same feelings/connection to the club? I don't know it's all very different now.

For me it's about my connection to the club and while the bridge might have been a "dump" it was our dump, did fans leave the club? Yes but guess what who gives a flying f, we who stayed behind have a bond that will never be broken and one that has continued though children and grandchildren, Was the stuff on the pitch not of a great standard? Nope but that's not what being a fan is about, It's about more then that. They might have not been the best players but like the Bridge they was our players.

If you have to ask what was so amazing about those days and you was there then sorry I feel bad for you because In my view you missed out on the main reason for going to football and what it really is about
Great post and absolutely to the point.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:17
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As I said it depends on why you went.

For the friendships and connections and the mental connection to the club and the ground and the players and other fans those "dark" days was actuallly the greatest.

In a purely materialistic POV then you have a point.

Both are just as valid depending on the type of person you are

But for me those days are why I am a Chelsea fan, Would I feel the same way if I was growing up as a fan today would I have the same feelings/connection to the club? I don't know it's all very different now.

For me it's about my connection to the club and while the bridge might have been a "dump" it was our dump, did fans leave the club? Yes but guess what who gives a flying f, we who stayed behind have a bond that will never be broken and one that has continued though children and grandchildren, Was the stuff on the pitch not of a great standard? Nope but that's not what being a fan is about, It's about more then that. They might have not been the best players but like the Bridge they was our players.

If you have to ask what was so amazing about those days and you was there then sorry I feel bad for you because In my view you missed out on the main reason for going to football and what it really is about
Don't you think I get and a got all that too?
Didn't my struggles to go out of my way to buy tickets for myself and others for a Sunday morning kick off show my commitment and connection Not being a Londoner as wel. My dad was from there though, BTW, so I did have family connections to London.

A lot of those 'amazing days' were down to us being young. Everything is one big, exciting adventure when you're young. Just going. too London by train was a big deal for me back then, especially for night matches. London was so much more glam and exciting than where I came from.

But, as time passes we can look back and compare.
Yes, we'd all love to be young again, but that's about all I'd swap from today. I'm never going to become one of those old people who always think everything was better in their day!
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:26
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Don't you think I get and a got all that too?
Didn't my struggles to go out of my way to buy tickets for myself and others for a Sunday morning kick off show my commitment and connection Not being a Londoner as wel. My dad was from there though, BTW, so I did have family connections to London.

A lot of those 'amazing days' were down to us being young. Everything is one big, exciting adventure when you're young. Just going. too London by train was a big deal for me back then, especially for night matches. London was so much more glam and exciting than where I came from.

But, as time passes we can look back and compare.
Yes, we'd all love to be young again, but that's about all I'd swap from today. I'm never going to become one of those old people who always think everything was better in their day!
Being "young" had nothing to do with it as I know plenty of people who was far from young in those days and felt the same.

It was different that's all (never really said "better")

Because the game has changed so much and the club (and society) have also changed things are different and what we gain from it has changed.
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Old 09-09-2016, 09:48
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Being "young" had nothing to do with it as I know plenty of people who was far from young in those days and felt the same.

It was different that's all (never really said "better")

Because the game has changed so much and the club (and society) have also changed things are different and what we gain from it has changed.
Break it down bit by bit and compare.
Would you take the stadium as it is now or the standing half a mile from the pitch in the shed in a dump of a stadium?
A shit team or one that has won everything?
Trips to Barcalona or trips to Luton?
The club having money to send or not a pot to pee in?
A quarter full stadium (at times) or a packed one evey match?
Our fans being seen and treated the same as all the others?
The football in general was crap back then as well.
Lots of long ball rubbish and other teams playing offside at the halfway line. Awful, awful era in this country!
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Old 09-09-2016, 10:18
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Break it down bit by bit and compare.
Would you take the stadium as it is now or the standing half a mile from the pitch in the shed in a dump of a stadium?
A shit team or one that has won everything?
Trips to Barcalona or trips to Luton?
The club having money to send or not a pot to pee in?
A quarter full stadium (at times) or a packed one evey match?
Our fans being seen and treated the same as all the others?
The football in general was crap back then as well.
Lots of long ball rubbish and other teams playing offside at the halfway line. Awful, awful era in this country!
Again your talking only from a materialistic POV.

Which is fine if that's what you want to go to football for.

I am a Chelsea fan, I don't care if its a s@it team or a bunch or world beaters, It makes no difference to me. I am there if we playing in the Champions League final or if we playing on El Brook Common

The ground I am in makes no difference to anything, I am there to cheer on MY team.

Barca or Luton? Again depends on what you want, Luton is a great away day. Pre-season away to Brighton a few seasons ago was a fantastic day out, Where as trips to Barca have been nothing more then decent

Money or no Money? Again materialistic POV.

A quarter full of fans who are there to sing and follow Chelsea rather then full of people who mainly want to follow the game though their phone screens and tourists?

What people "see" us as? Have never really been bothered about what other people think, I rather go by my own view then what a bunch of randoms think.

The Football being "crap" again I am there to see Chelsea, Good or bad, I don't care Its CHELSEA.
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Old 09-09-2016, 10:34
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Again your talking only from a materialistic POV.

Which is fine if that's what you want to go to football for.

I am a Chelsea fan, I don't care if its a s@it team or a bunch or world beaters, It makes no difference to me. I am there if we playing in the Champions League final or if we playing on El Brook Common

The ground I am in makes no difference to anything, I am there to see MY team.

Barca or Luton? Again depends on what you want, Luton is a great away day. Pre-season away to Brighton a few seasons ago was a fantastic day out, Where as trips to Barca have been nothing more then decent

Money or no Money? Again materialistic POV.

A quarter full of fans who are there to sing and follow Chelsea rather then full of people who mainly want to follow the game though their phone screens and tourists?

What people "see" us as? Have never really been bothered about what other people think, I rather go by my own view then what a bunch of randoms think.

The Football being "crap" again I am there to see Chelsea, Good or bad, I don't care Its CHELSEA.
It's a bit unfair to have a dig at some of the newe ler fans for watching on their phones. It's the same as what happens at gigs these days. Just part of the modern world.
Anyway, I guess you're just more fanatical and one eyed about Chelsea than I am. You prefer the 'good old days' while i think everything is better now.
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It's a bit unfair to have a dig at some of the newe ler fans for watching on their phones. It's the same as what happens at gigs these days. Just part of the modern world.
Anyway, I guess you're just more fanatical and one eyed about Chelsea than I am. You prefer the 'good old days' while i think everything is better now.
I did not have a go at them, If that's what they want to do fine, Its up to them.

I have never said one is better then the other, I have said its different. You are the only one who is saying one is better then the other.

I enjoy Chelsea today just in a different way as football has changed, If I wanted to go back to the old days I would follow a non league team
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Old 09-09-2016, 12:50
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I did not have a go at them, If that's what they want to do fine, Its up to them.

I have never said one is better then the other, I have said its different. You are the only one who is saying one is better then the other.

I enjoy Chelsea today just in a different way as football has changed, If I wanted to go back to the old days I would follow a non league team

You say it doesn't matter where Chelsea are. Really?
Are you telling me you got a fraction of the same feelings when we won the Full Members Cup to that incredible night when we won the CL?
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Old 09-09-2016, 13:43
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You say it doesn't matter where Chelsea are. Really?
Are you telling me you got a fraction of the same feelings when we won the Full Members Cup to that incredible night when we won the CL?
Nope it matters not one jot.

Maybe for you because you are more into the "football" aspect of it but for me they are very different things.

The Champions League was special of course but once again it was a different feeling and for different reasons both just as important and both just as amazing.

They was both incredible.
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Old 09-09-2016, 14:29
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The results are in from the BBC poll on fan opinion re' squads:

'Chelsea's strength in goal was evident in a 98% approval rating, but no other defensive position was higher than 85% and the right-back slot was a concern to around a third of fans.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37317980

That problem should have been solved now if Alonso is up to speed. You'd think that Azpi would move across to RB with Alonso slotting in at LB. When Zouma is fit, Luiz, Zouma and another CB would make for a very good, fast, strong back three.
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Old 10-09-2016, 10:15
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Nope it matters not one jot.

Maybe for you because you are more into the "football" aspect of it but for me they are very different things.

The Champions League was special of course but once again it was a different feeling and for different reasons both just as important and both just as amazing.

They was both incredible.

The way you feel is the way you feel, but I have to say I don't understand you.
I don't understand how winning the Full Members Cup was equal to winning the CL.
To me, it sounds it's all on one level following Chelsea. No real extreme highs or lows. Playing against and beating Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool is no different than beating Notts County, Luton or Bradford. It doesn't even matter if we are relegated.
Doesn't matter if the club is broke. Doesn't matter if the ground is a dump etc etc etc.
Seriously, in 2016, how many people do not care if the building they are paying to spend time in is a dumo or a nice place to go to?

On another note.
I see that Matic is saying Kante is even better than Makalele was, adding that Kante has more ability on the ball.
Matc is right about that!
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