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Old 18-08-2016, 11:06
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Old 18-08-2016, 11:17
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Old 18-08-2016, 11:25
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Old 20-08-2016, 12:16
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You would only have to be a few inches taller than bear and imo he would back off, I admit the security guy was a big chap, but he made bear look like the worm he is, If you noticed he never got on the wrong side of the Heavy twit .....
You don't have to be strong physically to hurt people...
I'm not "Hating" on Bear at all, but I do think he's a predator and an emotional terrorist/emotional vampire - it's concerning that so many people are delighting in his behaviour & calling it "Fun".
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Old 20-08-2016, 12:20
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Oh yeah, you're the one that quoted 4 different people mentioning their experience in abusive relationships & said they were making it all up...Nice. Methinks there's a bridge missing it's occupant. Your name says it all loooool...
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Old 20-08-2016, 12:33
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Old 20-08-2016, 12:34
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Oh yeah, you're the one that quoted 4 different people mentioning their experience in abusive relationships & said they were making it all up...Nice. Methinks there's a bridge missing it's occupant. Your name says it all loooool...
Just want to say this is a great thread. There have been some insightful, intelligent posts, which I enjoyed reading and agreed with many of them.
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Old 20-08-2016, 13:30
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Better start off by saying all this is JUST MY OPINION lol....

I feel that he's a predator, and abusive as well... He's an Emotional Vampire, which is why so many housemates are tense/down. These people feed off peoples souls, creating instability, unhappiness, fear, rage etc & THRIVE on it.

The "Baby Voice" thing is all a HUGE part of the passive/aggressive abuse... Although he's being blatantly sarcastic & very often there's also a palpable air of menace to his tone, if you pull him up on it he can just say (Probably with heavier sarcasm) "But I'm Being Niiiiice, I'm Not Shouting... " I've many years of experience with an abusive/controlling ex partner & mother & LOADS of Bear's behavioural traits are soooo similar. Kind of like saying something snidey then saying "Lol" afterwards, cos that makes it "Bantz, Innit" .
Google something called "Gaslighting" & it might make sense to you regarding Bear.
It's a form of emotional abuse, where you deliberately try to create insanity in others... Seriously, he's a prime example of UBER passive/aggressiveness too!!

They engineer situations that make it able for them to do S**T things, then turn it back onto the victims. He wound Renee up & she bit, allowing him to sit back & bask in the chaos & the fact he had so much control over her. They'll windup/manipulate others to do their dirty work, so they can sit back, watch their Flying Monkeys cause chaos, if challenged "Well, I Didn't Even Do It!" "What, It's Just My Opinion, I'm Not Being Nasty..."
"Don't Take Things So Seriously"

He gives me chills, NOT nice ones... He's dangerous, cunning, vindictive & abusive (In my opinion obviously) it's no wonder Sam, Ricky, Katie are so quiet - they are constantly walking on eggshells & they don't want to engage with him!!
It's like you can only cope by: 1, Putting up with it & try to get some enjoyment (But risk being seen as two faced), 2, Rant/Rage Every So Often (But fueling him), 3, Limit your contact as much as possible (But get dubbed Boring & be bored!)

Yes, BB is a GAMESHOW, but Bear's "Game" is being intimidating/passive/aggressive/menacing/wasteful/petty/immature/spiteful/vindictive etc etc... He's CONSTANTLY on at the housemates he despises the most, like the school photo - he was grabbing Ricky, pulling him closer so he could lick his face... Um, personal space?! If Bear wanted to do a funny face, cool - but he just HAD to test Ricky, see if he could make him react. Well done to Ricky for not allowing himself to be controlled.

And if people wanna bash me for saying this, then go ahead - although I tend to go for civil discussion of opinions myself - but Bear is a BULLY & a COWARD, but he also has intelligence, which in my book makes him even more dangerous cos he learns from mistakes.

Bear's experience with the security guard proved him as a bully/coward (He knew it as much as we did lol!) & since then, he's learned not to risk being around someone who can control/expose him, so has instead ramped up the passive/aggressive stuff to ridiculous levels so that he can control and/or abuse/bully the housemates he dislikes, all whilst under the blatant facade of being "Friendly" "Helpful" "Aving A Laugh"etc....

He knows EXACTLY what he's doing & he's playing his game very well - he's an Emotional Vampire & a Predator, I find it hard to believe that there are not more people that can see it... He not only feeds off the negativity, he THRIVES from it, he gets a kick out of hurting people that he sees as weaker than him & uses Emotional Terrorism to wear down people, especially ones that might be strong enough mentally to challenge him.

He's not Fun, he's Calculated, Vindictive, Narcissistic & Scary.
Sam summed it up perfectly in the diary room bless her - it's exhausting dealing with someone like that, it does make you depressed/weary/fearful/drained/tense cos there's no let up from it!! Broke my heart to see her so weary/upset.

I feel sorry for everyone, not Lewis, Marnie or Heavy D cos they lap it up, yes, even Heavy -said from the start he's as bad as them. He's quite happy to start playing up with Bear when he feels like it, so he's a hypocrite to then kick off at him when he's not his "Friend". I feel sad that without the toxic behaviour, primarily by Bear-the housemates would be given a chance to not be "Boring"... There's been little glimpses, but far & few between, how can people not be boring when they're walking on eggshells??? I know it sounds extreme to call it "Emotional Terrorism", but it's a form of torture what he's doing... A constant dripping tap of negativity & pure nastiness.

BB has blown it in my eyes, this series hasn't been much fun at all, it's been painful to watch & I keep hoping it'll get better but that hope's dwindling fast.. Too much hypocrisy, unclear/not shown/not given warnings, dodgy nomination twists, aggression, Marnie & Lewis's cringeworthy blatant "Scriptwriting" Bear's reign of Emotional/Mental Terrorism etc...
Great post. Anyone who has been unfortunate enough to have been in a relationship with a sociopath / psychopath will understand exactly what you have so eloquently posted.

Personally, I wouldn't say he's dangerous. He's just an idiot. Ultimately, he's all talk - as we saw when he pooped his pants when the security guy confronted him.
You are mistaking physically dangerous with the damage that someone like Bear can do emotionally.

Ok BIB I agree with but will admit to dismissing it at the time as Chloe herself seem to relish her sex toy status - she reverted back to the role she knows best but yeah, I did see a flicker of something unpleasant in him then.

Hmmm, maybe I should watch his actions with that in mind and see if I see the same devil as everyone else....
This acceptance of a "sex toy" role from Chloe was highly disturbing, reminding me of someone who I know. What started off as a few kinky and submissive sex games soon turned into her being forced into public sexual humiliation and eventually severe sexual abuse. The man involved shared a great number of Bear's character traits.
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Old 20-08-2016, 13:38
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Good post, well thought out and good points made.

I'm of the opinion now that yes, these are his natural traits and yes, if he was in a relationship with a more vulnerable, quiet girl then that would be a dangerous situation for her to be in.

I also think that he has been employed by the producers to torment the house and horribly, this is something he excels at and employs all the techniques you discussed.

It's a sad situation for all genuine fans of the show.
I agree. Everything is calculated and is cruel. If you've ever been a victim of any of his many styles of bullying, you will recognise the threat. Sadly, many just see it as pranking - until they are at the receiving end.
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Old 20-08-2016, 13:42
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Better start off by saying all this is JUST MY OPINION lol....

I feel that he's a predator, and abusive as well... He's an Emotional Vampire, which is why so many housemates are tense/down. These people feed off peoples souls, creating instability, unhappiness, fear, rage etc & THRIVE on it.

The "Baby Voice" thing is all a HUGE part of the passive/aggressive abuse... Although he's being blatantly sarcastic & very often there's also a palpable air of menace to his tone, if you pull him up on it he can just say (Probably with heavier sarcasm) "But I'm Being Niiiiice, I'm Not Shouting... " I've many years of experience with an abusive/controlling ex partner & mother & LOADS of Bear's behavioural traits are soooo similar. Kind of like saying something snidey then saying "Lol" afterwards, cos that makes it "Bantz, Innit" .
Google something called "Gaslighting" & it might make sense to you regarding Bear.
It's a form of emotional abuse, where you deliberately try to create insanity in others... Seriously, he's a prime example of UBER passive/aggressiveness too!!

They engineer situations that make it able for them to do S**T things, then turn it back onto the victims. He wound Renee up & she bit, allowing him to sit back & bask in the chaos & the fact he had so much control over her. They'll windup/manipulate others to do their dirty work, so they can sit back, watch their Flying Monkeys cause chaos, if challenged "Well, I Didn't Even Do It!" "What, It's Just My Opinion, I'm Not Being Nasty..."
"Don't Take Things So Seriously"

He gives me chills, NOT nice ones... He's dangerous, cunning, vindictive & abusive (In my opinion obviously) it's no wonder Sam, Ricky, Katie are so quiet - they are constantly walking on eggshells & they don't want to engage with him!!
It's like you can only cope by: 1, Putting up with it & try to get some enjoyment (But risk being seen as two faced), 2, Rant/Rage Every So Often (But fueling him), 3, Limit your contact as much as possible (But get dubbed Boring & be bored!)

Yes, BB is a GAMESHOW, but Bear's "Game" is being intimidating/passive/aggressive/menacing/wasteful/petty/immature/spiteful/vindictive etc etc... He's CONSTANTLY on at the housemates he despises the most, like the school photo - he was grabbing Ricky, pulling him closer so he could lick his face... Um, personal space?! If Bear wanted to do a funny face, cool - but he just HAD to test Ricky, see if he could make him react. Well done to Ricky for not allowing himself to be controlled.

And if people wanna bash me for saying this, then go ahead - although I tend to go for civil discussion of opinions myself - but Bear is a BULLY & a COWARD, but he also has intelligence, which in my book makes him even more dangerous cos he learns from mistakes.

Bear's experience with the security guard proved him as a bully/coward (He knew it as much as we did lol!) & since then, he's learned not to risk being around someone who can control/expose him, so has instead ramped up the passive/aggressive stuff to ridiculous levels so that he can control and/or abuse/bully the housemates he dislikes, all whilst under the blatant facade of being "Friendly" "Helpful" "Aving A Laugh"etc....

He knows EXACTLY what he's doing & he's playing his game very well - he's an Emotional Vampire & a Predator, I find it hard to believe that there are not more people that can see it... He not only feeds off the negativity, he THRIVES from it, he gets a kick out of hurting people that he sees as weaker than him & uses Emotional Terrorism to wear down people, especially ones that might be strong enough mentally to challenge him.

He's not Fun, he's Calculated, Vindictive, Narcissistic & Scary.
Sam summed it up perfectly in the diary room bless her - it's exhausting dealing with someone like that, it does make you depressed/weary/fearful/drained/tense cos there's no let up from it!! Broke my heart to see her so weary/upset.

I feel sorry for everyone, not Lewis, Marnie or Heavy D cos they lap it up, yes, even Heavy -said from the start he's as bad as them. He's quite happy to start playing up with Bear when he feels like it, so he's a hypocrite to then kick off at him when he's not his "Friend". I feel sad that without the toxic behaviour, primarily by Bear-the housemates would be given a chance to not be "Boring"... There's been little glimpses, but far & few between, how can people not be boring when they're walking on eggshells??? I know it sounds extreme to call it "Emotional Terrorism", but it's a form of torture what he's doing... A constant dripping tap of negativity & pure nastiness.

BB has blown it in my eyes, this series hasn't been much fun at all, it's been painful to watch & I keep hoping it'll get better but that hope's dwindling fast.. Too much hypocrisy, unclear/not shown/not given warnings, dodgy nomination twists, aggression, Marnie & Lewis's cringeworthy blatant "Scriptwriting" Bear's reign of Emotional/Mental Terrorism etc...

You need to at least have a brain the size of a pea to be stupid. He's just brain dead.
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Old 20-08-2016, 13:54
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I like Bear and am always sceptical when people throw words like sociopath about - however watching Bear the last couple of days and his expression faced with the other hms interacting with each other in a happy fashion does make me think Bear is a bit of an old sociopath insofar as he has nascisistic anti social tendencies - as many people do.
His acknowledgement of the underlying fakeness of all the nicey nicey stuff is one of his good attributes.
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Old 20-08-2016, 15:34
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I like Bear and am always sceptical when people throw words like sociopath about - however watching Bear the last couple of days and his expression faced with the other hms interacting with each other in a happy fashion does make me think Bear is a bit of an old sociopath insofar as he has nascisistic anti social tendencies - as many people do.
His acknowledgement of the underlying fakeness of all the nicey nicey stuff is one of his good attributes.
I think it's a matter of perspective. To some that would be called 'getting on in life' forming relationships and maintaining the social veneer. Ultimately a lot of friendships do have a basis in reciprocation but that doesn't mean they're 'fake'.

Some of the other HMs are genuinely empathic and are happy to see their fellow HMs have a nice moment or success.

bear seems to lack the ability to make those connections and sees them as bad. He seems quite hurt and jaded at times. He'll probably have quite a traumatic life due to his own behaviours and understanding.

Or it's all an act to traumatise people up and get air time
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Old 20-08-2016, 15:37
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To some that would be called 'getting on in life' forming relationships and maintaining the social veneer.
This. It's a social norm. It doesn't mean they're being "fake". The accusation of someone being "fake" is thrown around too easily when it comes to Big Brother. It's normal for people to try to fit in and to do that they follow social conventions. That's too often looked down upon when it comes to HMs.

That's not to say there's anything wrong with opting out of social rules. That's sometimes commendable. I don't think in Bear's case it is but I'm sure there's plenty who would disagree.
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Old 20-08-2016, 16:16
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This. It's a social norm. It doesn't mean they're being "fake". The accusation of someone being "fake" is thrown around too easily when it comes to Big Brother. It's normal for people to try to fit in and to do that they follow social conventions. That's too often looked down upon when it comes to HMs.

That's not to say there's anything wrong with opting out of social rules. That's sometimes commendable. I don't think in Bear's case it is but I'm sure there's plenty who would disagree.
It is not only a social convention but isn't it also a primal survival instinct that we conform to be be able to survive in a group situation - especially one like this that is so confined and stressful ?
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Old 20-08-2016, 16:51
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It is not only a social convention but isn't it also a primal survival instinct that we conform to be be able to survive in a group situation - especially one like this that is so confined and stressful ?
Possibly. I don't know that BB is a normal enough setting for it to fall under an instinctual heading. That's why I think there's a reliance by some HMs on social conformities in the first place. It's the only way they can deal with the situation they've placed themselves in.

There's certainly group dynamics that might be instinctual but I don't know enough about psychology or anthropology to authoritatively discuss that.
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Old 20-08-2016, 18:49
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I like Bear and am always sceptical when people throw words like sociopath about - however watching Bear the last couple of days and his expression faced with the other hms interacting with each other in a happy fashion does make me think Bear is a bit of an old sociopath insofar as he has nascisistic anti social tendencies - as many people do.
His acknowledgement of the underlying fakeness of all the nicey nicey stuff is one of his good attributes.
That's not an attribute in any way . He is challenging the others for being nice ? Weirdo (him , not you) . If he was mentally older than 13 he'd be aware that it's possible to be nice to people you dislike and it happens in the work place daily . If we all ran around screaming "FAKE !" at everyone who is managing to be nice and get along with those they don't like there'd be universal chaos .
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Old 20-08-2016, 18:50
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That's not an attribute in any way . He is challenging the others for being nice ? Weirdo (him , not you) . If he was mentally older than 13 he'd be aware that it's possible to be nice to people you dislike and it happens in the work place daily . If we all ran around screaming "FAKE !" at everyone who is managing to be nice and get along with those they don't like there'd be universal chaos .
The others are not nice. You live in a fantasy world.

They are being fake.
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Old 20-08-2016, 18:59
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Possibly. I don't know that BB is a normal enough setting for it to fall under an instinctual heading. That's why I think there's a reliance by some HMs on social conformities in the first place. It's the only way they can deal with the situation they've placed themselves in.

There's certainly group dynamics that might be instinctual but I don't know enough about psychology or anthropology to authoritatively discuss that.
You don't need to know psychology or anthropology in any shape or form . It's very basic human interaction behaviour . Unless someone is up in your face 24/7 (in which case avoid them) then just mosey along without challenging every negative thing they say or do .
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:06
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You don't need to know psychology or anthropology in any shape or form . It's very basic human interaction behaviour . Unless someone is up in your face 24/7 (in which case avoid them) then just mosey along without challenging every negative thing they say or do .
Sure, but is it instinctual or instilled by society. That's what I was commenting on. Whether or not it's instinct or a social convention.

I certainly don't think gorilla just avoid other gorilla who are in their face. They have a massive fight.
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:07
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This. It's a social norm. It doesn't mean they're being "fake". The accusation of someone being "fake" is thrown around too easily when it comes to Big Brother. It's normal for people to try to fit in and to do that they follow social conventions. That's too often looked down upon when it comes to HMs.

That's not to say there's anything wrong with opting out of social rules. That's sometimes commendable. I don't think in Bear's case it is but I'm sure there's plenty who would disagree.
We all do it every day. There are people who we work with who we wouldn't elect to have as friends but we are polite and try to get on with them. Anybody who goes through life deliberately antagonising others and calling others out as "fake" because they are conforming to social norms is going to find themselves struggling through life.

The others are not nice. You live in a fantasy world.

They are being fake.
I'll stick with my fantasy world where people know how to behave, thanks.

Your "real" world must be a pretty horrible place.
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:08
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The others are not nice. You live in a fantasy world.

They are being fake.
Who says they aren't nice though ? You ? You don't know them .
I bet they all have friends and family who think they are wonderful , so the opinions of a random group on forums or a strange human like Bore are just that ----opinions .

If anyone is being fake it's Bore . No one could actually be that aggressive and shit stirring and trouble raising in real life or they'd not survive without constant hospital visits to fix broken limbs and busted nose injuries . He's faking being controversial to grab air time , just as he times his episodes of nuttiness to coincide with live feed or live evictions . Fake little boy .
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:08
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Sure, but is it instinctual or instilled by society. That's what I was commenting on. Whether or not it's instinct or a social convention.

I certainly don't think gorilla just avoid other gorilla who are in their face. They have a massive fight.


But this an environment where the HMs livelihood is based on their IMAGE. So they will have to resist the urge to fight back and defend themselves .
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:10
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Sure, but is it instinctual or instilled by society. That's what I was commenting on. Whether or not it's instinct or a social convention.

I certainly don't think gorilla just avoid other gorilla who are in their face. They have a massive fight.
Depends on the hierarchy, a young mischievous monkey will be put in his place a long time before he becomes a problem for the other members of the troop

In the animal world he'd know better before reaching maturity.
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:11
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Sure, but is it instinctual or instilled by society. That's what I was commenting on. Whether or not it's instinct or a social convention.

I certainly don't think gorilla just avoid other gorilla who are in their face. They have a massive fight.
There are no gorillas in CBB , yet , so that's a moot point .

Human behaviour is to get along as best you can because otherwise you get in trouble . Simple as that .
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Old 20-08-2016, 19:12
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But this an environment where the HMs livelihood is based on their IMAGE. So they will have to resist the urge to fight back and defend themselves .
Yes. But you asked me:

It is not only a social convention but isn't it also a primal survival instinct that we conform to be be able to survive in a group situation - especially one like this that is so confined and stressful ?
It's not instinct if they're thinking about their image. Instinct implies they did something without thinking about it.

This is why I said I don't know enough about psychology and anthropology to correctly answer the question you asked.
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