BEAR TO WIN

So many lunatics on here.

New user with an underscore speaks truth

I know, right.

You don't have to be strong physically to hurt people...
I'm not "Hating" on Bear at all, but I do think he's a predator and an emotional terrorist/emotional vampire - it's concerning that so many people are delighting in his behaviour & calling it "Fun".

Oh yeah, you're the one that quoted 4 different people mentioning their experience in abusive relationships & said they were making it all up...Nice. Methinks there's a bridge missing it's occupant. Your name says it all loooool...

Is that you Heavy?

Just want to say this is a great thread. There have been some insightful, intelligent posts, which I enjoyed reading and agreed with many of them.

Great post. Anyone who has been unfortunate enough to have been in a relationship with a sociopath / psychopath will understand exactly what you have so eloquently posted.


You are mistaking physically dangerous with the damage that someone like Bear can do emotionally.


This acceptance of a "sex toy" role from Chloe was highly disturbing, reminding me of someone who I know. What started off as a few kinky and submissive sex games soon turned into her being forced into public sexual humiliation and eventually severe sexual abuse. The man involved shared a great number of Bear's character traits.

I agree. Everything is calculated and is cruel. If you've ever been a victim of any of his many styles of bullying, you will recognise the threat. Sadly, many just see it as pranking - until they are at the receiving end.

You need to at least have a brain the size of a pea to be stupid. He's just brain dead.

I like Bear and am always sceptical when people throw words like sociopath about - however watching Bear the last couple of days and his expression faced with the other hms interacting with each other in a happy fashion does make me think Bear is a bit of an old sociopath insofar as he has nascisistic anti social tendencies - as many people do.
His acknowledgement of the underlying fakeness of all the nicey nicey stuff is one of his good attributes.

I think it's a matter of perspective. To some that would be called 'getting on in life' forming relationships and maintaining the social veneer. Ultimately a lot of friendships do have a basis in reciprocation but that doesn't mean they're 'fake'.

Some of the other HMs are genuinely empathic and are happy to see their fellow HMs have a nice moment or success.

bear seems to lack the ability to make those connections and sees them as bad. He seems quite hurt and jaded at times. He'll probably have quite a traumatic life due to his own behaviours and understanding.

Or it's all an act to traumatise people up and get air time

This. It's a social norm. It doesn't mean they're being "fake". The accusation of someone being "fake" is thrown around too easily when it comes to Big Brother. It's normal for people to try to fit in and to do that they follow social conventions. That's too often looked down upon when it comes to HMs.

That's not to say there's anything wrong with opting out of social rules. That's sometimes commendable. I don't think in Bear's case it is but I'm sure there's plenty who would disagree.

It is not only a social convention but isn't it also a primal survival instinct that we conform to be be able to survive in a group situation - especially one like this that is so confined and stressful ?

Possibly. I don't know that BB is a normal enough setting for it to fall under an instinctual heading. That's why I think there's a reliance by some HMs on social conformities in the first place. It's the only way they can deal with the situation they've placed themselves in.

There's certainly group dynamics that might be instinctual but I don't know enough about psychology or anthropology to authoritatively discuss that.

That's not an attribute in any way . He is challenging the others for being nice ? Weirdo (him , not you) . If he was mentally older than 13 he'd be aware that it's possible to be nice to people you dislike and it happens in the work place daily . If we all ran around screaming "FAKE !" at everyone who is managing to be nice and get along with those they don't like there'd be universal chaos .

The others are not nice. You live in a fantasy world.

They are being fake.

You don't need to know psychology or anthropology in any shape or form . It's very basic human interaction behaviour . Unless someone is up in your face 24/7 (in which case avoid them) then just mosey along without challenging every negative thing they say or do .

Sure, but is it instinctual or instilled by society. That's what I was commenting on. Whether or not it's instinct or a social convention.

I certainly don't think gorilla just avoid other gorilla who are in their face. They have a massive fight.

We all do it every day. There are people who we work with who we wouldn't elect to have as friends but we are polite and try to get on with them. Anybody who goes through life deliberately antagonising others and calling others out as "fake" because they are conforming to social norms is going to find themselves struggling through life.


I'll stick with my fantasy world where people know how to behave, thanks.

Your "real" world must be a pretty horrible place.

Who says they aren't nice though ? You ? You don't know them .
I bet they all have friends and family who think they are wonderful , so the opinions of a random group on forums or a strange human like Bore are just that ----opinions .

If anyone is being fake it's Bore . No one could actually be that aggressive and shit stirring and trouble raising in real life or they'd not survive without constant hospital visits to fix broken limbs and busted nose injuries . He's faking being controversial to grab air time , just as he times his episodes of nuttiness to coincide with live feed or live evictions . Fake little boy .

But this an environment where the HMs livelihood is based on their IMAGE. So they will have to resist the urge to fight back and defend themselves .

Depends on the hierarchy, a young mischievous monkey will be put in his place a long time before he becomes a problem for the other members of the troop

In the animal world he'd know better before reaching maturity.

There are no gorillas in CBB , yet , so that's a moot point .

Human behaviour is to get along as best you can because otherwise you get in trouble . Simple as that .

Yes. But you asked me:


It's not instinct if they're thinking about their image. Instinct implies they did something without thinking about it.

This is why I said I don't know enough about psychology and anthropology to correctly answer the question you asked.