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I think Steven and Johnny together could be a succesful storyline which could win over people who dont like the new actor.
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I can't see him getting rid of Mick/Linda which is a shame but I hope he gets rid of Johnny and Tina.
Ted is just awful in the role, and Tina should have left ages ago. |
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Recasts always have harder time of it than standard newbies. Ted is fine in the role. They are missing a trick not pairing up Johnny and Steven. That very first scene they shared just screamed SEX. I've never seen a spark like that on the show before.
The problem is that we're currently at a crossroads, storyline wise, with nobody none the wiser as to what SOC is planning with any of the characters beyond the ones he's axing. It really could go either way. |
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You know what I'm thinking? that the Carter's might benefit from Linda's absence. As much as I rate Kellie Bright I can't help but wonder if Linda has held them back. I read on here yesterday someone pointing out how all Mick has done for the past year is make sure Linda is ok and its true, that is all he has done!
so with her out of the way for a while we might start to see him come back into his own again like he was at the beginning. I think pairing up Tina and Shirley is also a great move. This is how they should have been back when they first introduced Tina. Re Johnny and Steven. It has to happen. Ted and Aaron just lit up the screen in the scenes they have had together. Its such a waste if they don't take it further. |
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You know what I'm thinking? that the Carter's might benefit from Linda's absence. As much as I rate Kellie Bright I can't help but wonder if Linda has held them back. I read on here yesterday someone pointing out how all Mick has done for the past year is make sure Linda is ok and its true, that is all he has done!
so with her out of the way for a while we might start to see him come back into his own again like he was at the beginning. I think pairing up Tina and Shirley is also a great move. This is how they should have been back when they first introduced Tina. Re Johnny and Steven. It has to happen. Ted and Aaron just lit up the screen in the scenes they have had together. Its such a waste if they don't take it further. And agreed about Tina and Shirley, they work much better together. |
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An ideal situation could be that with Babe leaving they put Steven in The Vic kitchen. That way Johnny and Steven are on collision course to the bedroom.
I wonder where Whitney fits into all this when Lee leaves? assume she carries full term she is going to be left a single mom. |
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I can't see him getting rid of Mick/Linda which is a shame but I hope he gets rid of Johnny and Tina.
Ted is just awful in the role, and Tina should have left ages ago. |
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An ideal situation could be that with Babe leaving they put Steven in The Vic kitchen. That way Johnny and Steven are on collision course to the bedroom.
I wonder where Whitney fits into all this when Lee leaves? assume she carries full term she is going to be left a single mom. I still can't work out how Whitney ended up living with Bianca in the first place. |
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It is a very, very obvious storyline (in a good way) and you'd think the writers would be all over it. It would have interesting implications for quite a few characters and it would be hot enough to get the Twitter/Tumblr crowd stanning hard for it. The chemistry between them was ridiculous. Like you said, the show doesn't normally have that type of spark, particularly with gay characters.
The problem is that we're currently at a crossroads, storyline wise, with nobody none the wiser as to what SOC is planning with any of the characters beyond the ones he's axing. It really could go either way. |
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I think if DTC had been there it would have already started. Like you say what could have happened is the producer change delaying it, lets just hope it hasn't been dropped dead in the water.
It seems that SOC likes to play things slower and more subtlety that DTC and I don't see that as a bad thing. I'm sure he has plans for them but TBH I quite like the absolute silence were getting with regard to his future plans, characters and storylines. |
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I think if DTC had been there it would have already started. Like you say what could have happened is the producer change delaying it, lets just hope it hasn't been dropped dead in the water.
If SOC is at all interested in Johnny as a character it will be interesting to see the direction he takes him in now that we've got a producer who doesn't view Johnny through rose-tinted glasses and maybe isn't afraid to 'dirty him up' a little. |
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Why rush into it, though? I doubt anyone can see Steven staying with Lauren for ever but it's an interesting dynamic for the time being.
It seems that SOC likes to play things slower and more subtlety that DTC and I don't see that as a bad thing. I'm sure he has plans for them but TBH I quite like the absolute silence were getting with regard to his future plans, characters and storylines. A far more interesting dynamic would have been them using each other; Steven using Lauren to get back into the Beale's good graces knowing that they wouldn't be able to resist having their grandson living with them, and Lauren using Steven to get a reaction out of a distant Peter by running off with his brother and his baby. Lauren and Steven could still have had feelings for each other, enjoyed having sex together etc, but the relationship would ultimately have been founded on other intentions. I would have found that far more interesting than this half-hearted explanation that they just fell for each other, even though we've seen no real spark or enjoyment between them since they returned. It doesn't help that Lauren worked really well with Peter, so it seems even more inexplicable that she would have so easily left him, and that Peter apparently doesn't care that she's playing happy families with his son on the other side of the world. With all that said, I think there's a wealth of material with Lauren, Steven and the Beales, particularly if they bring Johnny into the mix for an affair with Steven, and if they can get Peter back then all the better. |
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I'm not really at all interested in Steven and Lauren's relationship, mainly because them coming back as a couple was so predictable and 'basic' as far as storylining goes. I remember when the news broke about them coming back; most people accurately guessed they would be a couple so the whole 'surprise, we're in a relationship!' reveal of their first episode fell totally flat and I don't think it's ever really recovered since.
A far more interesting dynamic would have been them using each other; Steven using Lauren to get back into the Beale's good graces knowing that they wouldn't be able to resist having their grandson living with them, and Lauren using Steven to get a reaction out of a distant Peter by running off with his brother and his baby. Lauren and Steven could still have had feelings for each other, enjoyed having sex together etc, but the relationship would ultimately have been founded on other intentions. I would have found that far more interesting than this half-hearted explanation that they just fell for each other, even though we've seen no real spark or enjoyment between them since they returned. It doesn't help that Lauren worked really well with Peter, so it seems even more inexplicable that she would have so easily left him, and that Peter apparently doesn't care that she's playing happy families with his son on the other side of the world. With all that said, I think there's a wealth of material with Lauren, Steven and the Beales, particularly if they bring Johnny into the mix for an affair with Steven, and if they can get Peter back then all the better. The missing spark between Steven and Lauren is noticeable but I haven't been able to decide if it's intentional or poor writing/acting! |
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I like that, it would make much more sense. It could still happen, although, the total lack of reaction from Peter is a little strange, whatever the background.
The missing spark between Steven and Lauren is noticeable but I haven't been able to decide if it's intentional or poor writing/acting! I do feel like I'm constantly waiting for a 'Psych!' moment with Steven where we find out he's really just manipulating everyone around him and his big plan is revenge against Jane and Ian for Lucy's death. If that was the vibe they were going for then I have to hand it to the writers, they've done a great job of keeping it quiet. I suspect, however, that they haven't given Steven anywhere near that amount of thought. |
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It's all a bit curious in that very little has been said about Steven's sexuality - do we assume he's bi, or is his relationship with Lauren a scam for purposes as yet unknown? Newer viewers won't even know of his history as it's barely been mentioned.
It's almost as if DTC brought in Steven and Johnny to put them together but that SOC has scrapped the idea, leaving Johnny currently as a wasted non-character and Steven as something of an unknown quantity. TBH I wouldn't mind if he has scrapped the idea. It was very obvious and predictable after all and I sense that SOC doesn't do 'obvious and predictable', so it may give openings for some interesting new characters to come in. |
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It's all a bit curious in that very little has been said about Steven's sexuality - do we assume he's bi, or is his relationship with Lauren a scam for purposes as yet unknown? Newer viewers won't even know of his history as it's barely been mentioned.
It's almost as if DTC brought in Steven and Johnny to put them together but that SOC has scrapped the idea, leaving Johnny currently as a wasted non-character and Steven as something of an unknown quantity. TBH I wouldn't mind if he has scrapped the idea. It was very obvious and predictable after all and I sense that SOC doesn't do 'obvious and predictable', so it may give openings for some interesting new characters to come in. I disagree about DTC, I don't think he had any intention of putting Steven and Johnny together. The first interaction between Johnny and Steven happened months ago now, when DTC was still very much at the helm, and if he'd wanted to follow it up he would have done. DTC only ever seemed to want to queerbait with Johnny, he never invested in a proper relationship with him. During DTC's time on the show we had knowing little scenes with Danny, Curtis (the barman), Ben, Tom (the paramedic) and Steven, but the only time he had any sort of action was with Gianluca, and that was because they needed a way to write Johnny out for a while. Like I said before, I think DTC was just too close to Johnny's character as a result of basing him on himself, and as a result he was too afraid to do anything remotely exciting with him. If it wasn't for the chemistry between them, I think most of us who are rooting for Johnny/Steven would have accepted a long time ago that their first encounter which got everyone talking was simply as a way to divert attention from Lauren/Steven being in a relationship so they could get their 'surprise' duff duff at the end of the episode. IF Johnny/Steven happens, it will be because SOC has come in with a fresh pair of eyes and recognised that this is a pairing that has the potential to work, and that it already has a bit of a fanbase. If it doesn't happen, I don't think it's a result of 'scrapping' it, more a case of him just not picking that strand up. |
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My mum, who is a long term but what I call 'casual' viewer (in that she doesn't really do spoilers, has a fairly short term memory and is easily swayed by what she sees on screen), was genuinely shocked when I said that Steven was bi. She'd completely forgotten about his history with Christian, for example. Apart from a couple of very subtle hints with Johnny, there has been no other indication since he returned so it's no surprise that a lot of the goldfish memory viewers, or newer ones, have no real idea about his sexuality.
I disagree about DTC, I don't think he had any intention of putting Steven and Johnny together. The first interaction between Johnny and Steven happened months ago now, when DTC was still very much at the helm, and if he'd wanted to follow it up he would have done. DTC only ever seemed to want to queerbait with Johnny, he never invested in a proper relationship with him. During DTC's time on the show we had knowing little scenes with Danny, Curtis (the barman), Ben, Tom (the paramedic) and Steven, but the only time he had any sort of action was with Gianluca, and that was because they needed a way to write Johnny out for a while. Like I said before, I think DTC was just too close to Johnny's character as a result of basing him on himself, and as a result he was too afraid to do anything remotely exciting with him. If it wasn't for the chemistry between them, I think most of us who are rooting for Johnny/Steven would have accepted a long time ago that their first encounter which got everyone talking was simply as a way to divert attention from Lauren/Steven being in a relationship so they could get their 'surprise' duff duff at the end of the episode. IF Johnny/Steven happens, it will be because SOC has come in with a fresh pair of eyes and recognised that this is a pairing that has the potential to work, and that it already has a bit of a fanbase. If it doesn't happen, I don't think it's a result of 'scrapping' it, more a case of him just not picking that strand up. I'm not adverse to a Johnny/Steven story but I'd like to think that it'll happen because there's some genuine chemistry between the actors and not just a formulaic A & B are both gay (or bi), so they must be put together, writing-by-numbers kind of thing. Paul being written out may have affected plans, of course, but I guess we'll never know. |
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Johnny is still doing relatively nothing as is Tina & Sylvie- surprised none of these characters have been axed yet.
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Johnny is still doing relatively nothing as is Tina & Sylvie- surprised none of these characters have been axed yet.
Tina's a busted flush without Sonia and is at a loose end. Can't really see what the long term purpose of Shirley will be without Buster and Philth. |
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It's all a bit curious in that very little has been said about Steven's sexuality - do we assume he's bi, or is his relationship with Lauren a scam for purposes as yet unknown? Newer viewers won't even know of his history as it's barely been mentioned.
It's almost as if DTC brought in Steven and Johnny to put them together but that SOC has scrapped the idea, leaving Johnny currently as a wasted non-character and Steven as something of an unknown quantity. TBH I wouldn't mind if he has scrapped the idea. It was very obvious and predictable after all and I sense that SOC doesn't do 'obvious and predictable', so it may give openings for some interesting new characters to come in. |
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Axe them all and get the Mitchell's back in the Vic. Samantha would make a great landlady. (The good version)
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Axe them all and get the Mitchell's back in the Vic. Samantha would make a great landlady. (The good version)
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Johnny really needs a storyline soon or he should be axed. Tina and Sylvie need to be axed now too. Shirley is a decent character but has been underused lately.
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Johnny really needs a storyline soon or he should be axed. Tina and Sylvie need to be axed now too. Shirley is a decent character but has been underused lately.
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Sam is scum
![]() ![]() Samantha KIM MEDCALF Mitchell is wonderful. |
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so with her out of the way for a while we might start to see him come back into his own again like he was at the beginning. 