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I believe they'd be a lot happier with someone like Bear winning, (someone who hogs all the airtime and is attention seeking and controversial), then they would be with someone that is more "normal" and doesn't go round looking for attention and is a genuinely good-natured person.
The winners go off and continue with their lives and it's all over and forgotten. The winners aren't ambassadors for the show - they don't DO anything for the show after it's over. |
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Another show pays BB to help Bear win??
Why would they do that?? |
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Another show pays BB to help Bear win??
Why would they do that?? |
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Another show pays BB to help Bear win??
Why would they do that?? Why is it so difficult to believe they sweetened the deal to help their boy? I don't get what you don't get?
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I don't see why BB would be particularly bothered who wins one way or another.
The winners go off and continue with their lives and it's all over and forgotten. The winners aren't ambassadors for the show - they don't DO anything for the show after it's over. It's all about building relationships with agents, backers, production companies etc. They all scratch each other's backs. People are commodities to make money from. When you have a company behind several shows of the same type expanding that person's fanbase and building their profile means you can add value to your other products in advertising revenue. I'm not saying it's a fix or conspiracy but you should have a broader view when evaluating the equation. These shows are highly constructed and manipulated in this day and age. |
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I'm not saying it's a fix or conspiracy but you should have a broader view when evaluating the equation. These shows are highly constructed and manipulated in this day and age.
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I don't think it's a fix or anything, but I just urge the GBP to not be such gullible *****, if he starts pretending he's nice, he is mugging you off
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It's called building a marketable product.
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MTV and C5 are both owned by Viacom. It's just cross promotion.
Being the biggest character is enough. Why is winning important? |
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Well they already pay to get advertising slots for their show, don't they?
Why is it so difficult to believe they sweetened the deal to help their boy? I don't get what you don't get? ![]() The CBB crown is worth practically nothing in real terms. |
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To what end? Why is it important that he wins?
The CBB crown is worth practically nothing in real terms. Are you seriously not getting this or are you just pulling our legs? |
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I don't know if you've put enough thought into, or have enough knowledge about how the entertainment industry works.
It's all about building relationships with agents, backers, production companies etc. They all scratch each other's backs. People are commodities to make money from. When you have a company behind several shows of the same type expanding that person's fanbase and building their profile means you can add value to your other products in advertising revenue. I'm not saying it's a fix or conspiracy but you should have a broader view when evaluating the equation. These shows are highly constructed and manipulated in this day and age. If it's how the industry works, then why are all the HM's agents in on a piece of the pie? |
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It's not about the win. It's about the constant and unrelenting promotion.
Are you seriously not getting this or are you just pulling our legs?
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It's not about the win. It's about the constant and unrelenting promotion.
Are you seriously not getting this or are you just pulling our legs? This is the conspiracy theory that I am questioning. |
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The redemption arc will happen, or be edited to look like it is.
I'm finding this CBB massively depressing. |
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No - the OP quite clearly says that the redemption arc is so that Bear will win.
This is the conspiracy theory that I am questioning. |
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I believe they'd be a lot happier with someone like Bear winning, (someone who hogs all the airtime and is attention seeking and controversial), then they would be with someone that is more "normal" and doesn't go round looking for attention and is a genuinely good-natured person.
Of course they would. All publicity is good publicity type thing.
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Conspiracy theory alert!!!
You believe that BB want Bear to win, and are coaching him so as to get this result? What could they possibly gain from Bear being their winner? It's a load of old tripe. One that most people haven't fallen for. He's disgusting. |
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HUGE publicity for "his" new "show" which is shamelessly advertised during the adverts on big brother. THAT'S what they gain.
It's a load of old tripe. One that most people haven't fallen for. He's disgusting. I understand advertising the new show in the breaks - that makes perfect sense. A very sensible use of money and maximising the effectivity of the advertising. But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble. He is already the biggest player / character by a mile, he gets practically all the air time, his profile is sky high and he couldn't ask for more publicity. So - on top of this - why is it important that he is crowned the winner? The winner is a one night only celebration, viewed by those who already know him. After that, it's nothing. Absolutely nothing. |
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But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble.
They own the broadcaster. |
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I understand advertising the new show in the breaks - that makes perfect sense. A very sensible use of money and maximising the effectivity of the advertising.
But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble. He is already the biggest player / character by a mile, he gets practically all the air time, his profile is sky high and he couldn't ask for more publicity. So - on top of this - why is it important that he is crowned the winner? The winner is a one night only celebration, viewed by those who already know him. After that, it's nothing. Absolutely nothing. |
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They don't need to throw money at BB.
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how about loads of £ from the idiots who produce whatever the heck that other shile of pite he's in is called?
Everyone has a different theory - is there any wonder I'm confused?And no-one, but no-one can answer my question as to why it is important that he actually is crowned winner, after all, he has already been the show. |
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I understand advertising the new show in the breaks - that makes perfect sense. A very sensible use of money and maximising the effectivity of the advertising.
But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble. He is already the biggest player / character by a mile, he gets practically all the air time, his profile is sky high and he couldn't ask for more publicity. So - on top of this - why is it important that he is crowned the winner? The winner is a one night only celebration, viewed by those who already know him. After that, it's nothing. Absolutely nothing. People are a commodity, something that makes money for companies. Companies make money from advertising, the more viewers the more they can charge the advertisers. If someone is not well known they are not a valuable commodity. The more interest in that person, the higher their relative value. The reason we have seen so much of Stephen is because he was advised what his role would be before going in the house/during his stay. This was a deliberate ploy by the producers of the show, to make people hate him and get exposure in media outlets (websites, papers etc). A loved hero is worth more than someone who everybody hates. The new series of EOTB has already been filmed and it features Stephen. This is a programme also owned by the same company, if they can use one show to increase his exposure it will benefit their other show too. The more viewers they get the more they can charge advertisers. They have an opportunity to take viewers from BB who don't watch EOTB and bring them over. By making the show more like the modern 'reality' format they also increase the audience on BB. They are making the show anyway, it is not costing them any 'extra' money to feature Stephen for 70-80% of the programme. The 'plots' for reality shows are decided well in advance, producers, directors etc all have meetings to discuss this kind of thing. By giving him an 'arc' or journey it gives viewers something to relate to, the producers are able to manipulate how the viewers feel about him and when viewers like people they are more likely to vote for them to win. 'Winner of CBB 2016' is always going to have more credence, importance than 'CBB contestant 2016' (note: importance= value) Basically the company that owns BB now have used the programme for their own agenda in order to promote a certain person because it benefits them financially. I don't know what more I can do for you now Menk, if you still don't get it then you'll have to try harder. |
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Menk, I'm going to try again. I'm just repeating what I've already written but I'll phrase it differently.
People are a commodity, something that makes money for companies. Companies make money from advertising, the more viewers the more they can charge the advertisers. If someone is not well known they are not a valuable commodity. The more interest in that person, the higher their relative value. The reason we have seen so much of Stephen is because he was advised what his role would be before going in the house/during his stay. This was a deliberate ploy by the producers of the show, to make people hate him and get exposure in media outlets (websites, papers etc). A loved hero is worth more than someone who everybody hates. The new series of EOTB has already been filmed and it features Stephen. This is a programme also owned by the same company, if they can use one show to increase his exposure it will benefit their other show too. The more viewers they get the more they can charge advertisers. They have an opportunity to take viewers from BB who don't watch EOTB and bring them over. By making the show more like the modern 'reality' format they also increase the audience on BB. They are making the show anyway, it is not costing them any 'extra' money to feature Stephen for 70-80% of the programme. The 'plots' for reality shows are decided well in advance, producers, directors etc all have meetings to discuss this kind of thing. By giving him an 'arc' or journey it gives viewers something to relate to, the producers are able to manipulate how the viewers feel about him and when viewers like people they are more likely to vote for them to win. 'Winner of CBB 2016' is always going to have more credence, importance than 'CBB contestant 2016' Basically the company that owns BB now have used the programme for their own agenda in order to promote a certain person because it benefits them financially. I don't know what more I can do for you now Menk, if you still don't get it then you'll have to try harder.
Last edited by dorsetwasp : 17-08-2016 at 19:08. Reason: Addressed wrong person. |
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Totally get where you're coming from, Lee_Bo, however (BIB), this viewer is not impressed by the redemption arc and will not be voting for him to win.
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