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Old 17-08-2016, 16:46
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I believe they'd be a lot happier with someone like Bear winning, (someone who hogs all the airtime and is attention seeking and controversial), then they would be with someone that is more "normal" and doesn't go round looking for attention and is a genuinely good-natured person.
I don't see why BB would be particularly bothered who wins one way or another.

The winners go off and continue with their lives and it's all over and forgotten.

The winners aren't ambassadors for the show - they don't DO anything for the show after it's over.
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Old 17-08-2016, 16:51
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Another show pays BB to help Bear win??

Why would they do that??
It's called building a marketable product.
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Old 17-08-2016, 16:52
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Another show pays BB to help Bear win??

Why would they do that??
MTV and C5 are both owned by Viacom. It's just cross promotion.
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Old 17-08-2016, 16:54
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Another show pays BB to help Bear win??

Why would they do that??
Well they already pay to get advertising slots for their show, don't they?

Why is it so difficult to believe they sweetened the deal to help their boy?

I don't get what you don't get?
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Old 17-08-2016, 16:55
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I don't see why BB would be particularly bothered who wins one way or another.

The winners go off and continue with their lives and it's all over and forgotten.

The winners aren't ambassadors for the show - they don't DO anything for the show after it's over.
I don't know if you've put enough thought into, or have enough knowledge about how the entertainment industry works.

It's all about building relationships with agents, backers, production companies etc. They all scratch each other's backs. People are commodities to make money from. When you have a company behind several shows of the same type expanding that person's fanbase and building their profile means you can add value to your other products in advertising revenue.

I'm not saying it's a fix or conspiracy but you should have a broader view when evaluating the equation. These shows are highly constructed and manipulated in this day and age.
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Old 17-08-2016, 16:57
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I'm not saying it's a fix or conspiracy but you should have a broader view when evaluating the equation. These shows are highly constructed and manipulated in this day and age.
Yeah. I don't think it's a straight fix or anything. But I definitely think they're bias in his favour. I honestly think it's difficult to argue, with a straight face, that they aren't.
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:01
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I don't think it's a fix or anything, but I just urge the GBP to not be such gullible *****, if he starts pretending he's nice, he is mugging you off
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:20
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It's called building a marketable product.
How does winning make him more marketable?
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:21
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MTV and C5 are both owned by Viacom. It's just cross promotion.
Being on the show is enough.

Being the biggest character is enough.

Why is winning important?
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:24
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Well they already pay to get advertising slots for their show, don't they?

Why is it so difficult to believe they sweetened the deal to help their boy?

I don't get what you don't get?
To what end? Why is it important that he wins? Why on earth is it worth paying good money to help him on his way - with absolutely NO guarantee of how the public will vote?

The CBB crown is worth practically nothing in real terms.
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:26
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To what end? Why is it important that he wins?

The CBB crown is worth practically nothing in real terms.
It's not about the win. It's about the constant and unrelenting promotion.

Are you seriously not getting this or are you just pulling our legs?
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:32
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I don't know if you've put enough thought into, or have enough knowledge about how the entertainment industry works.

It's all about building relationships with agents, backers, production companies etc. They all scratch each other's backs. People are commodities to make money from. When you have a company behind several shows of the same type expanding that person's fanbase and building their profile means you can add value to your other products in advertising revenue.

I'm not saying it's a fix or conspiracy but you should have a broader view when evaluating the equation. These shows are highly constructed and manipulated in this day and age.
So why is it just Bear's company who are able to manipulate / do deals in this manner?

If it's how the industry works, then why are all the HM's agents in on a piece of the pie?
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:32
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It's not about the win. It's about the constant and unrelenting promotion.

Are you seriously not getting this or are you just pulling our legs?
I don't think there's a lot to 'get' like you say, it's pretty straight-forward. Maybe he should have another read of the words already written and make a real effort to understand them
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:35
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It's not about the win. It's about the constant and unrelenting promotion.

Are you seriously not getting this or are you just pulling our legs?
No - the OP quite clearly says that the redemption arc is so that Bear will win.

This is the conspiracy theory that I am questioning.
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:36
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The redemption arc will happen, or be edited to look like it is.

I'm finding this CBB massively depressing.
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:37
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No - the OP quite clearly says that the redemption arc is so that Bear will win.

This is the conspiracy theory that I am questioning.
Ah, then I'm arguing something different. lol
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:38
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I believe they'd be a lot happier with someone like Bear winning, (someone who hogs all the airtime and is attention seeking and controversial), then they would be with someone that is more "normal" and doesn't go round looking for attention and is a genuinely good-natured person.



Of course they would. All publicity is good publicity type thing.
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Old 17-08-2016, 17:47
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Conspiracy theory alert!!!

You believe that BB want Bear to win, and are coaching him so as to get this result?

What could they possibly gain from Bear being their winner?
HUGE publicity for "his" new "show" which is shamelessly advertised during the adverts on big brother. THAT'S what they gain.

It's a load of old tripe. One that most people haven't fallen for.

He's disgusting.
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Old 17-08-2016, 18:21
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HUGE publicity for "his" new "show" which is shamelessly advertised during the adverts on big brother. THAT'S what they gain.

It's a load of old tripe. One that most people haven't fallen for.

He's disgusting.


I understand advertising the new show in the breaks - that makes perfect sense. A very sensible use of money and maximising the effectivity of the advertising.

But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble.

He is already the biggest player / character by a mile, he gets practically all the air time, his profile is sky high and he couldn't ask for more publicity.

So - on top of this - why is it important that he is crowned the winner? The winner is a one night only celebration, viewed by those who already know him. After that, it's nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Old 17-08-2016, 18:32
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But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble.
They don't need to throw money at BB.

They own the broadcaster.
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Old 17-08-2016, 18:38
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I understand advertising the new show in the breaks - that makes perfect sense. A very sensible use of money and maximising the effectivity of the advertising.

But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble.

He is already the biggest player / character by a mile, he gets practically all the air time, his profile is sky high and he couldn't ask for more publicity.

So - on top of this - why is it important that he is crowned the winner? The winner is a one night only celebration, viewed by those who already know him. After that, it's nothing. Absolutely nothing.
They are probably all owned by the same company.
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Old 17-08-2016, 18:40
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They don't need to throw money at BB.

They own the broadcaster.
I'm only taking that from what someone said upthread:

how about loads of £ from the idiots who produce whatever the heck that other shile of pite he's in is called?
Everyone has a different theory - is there any wonder I'm confused?

And no-one, but no-one can answer my question as to why it is important that he actually is crowned winner, after all, he has already been the show.
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Old 17-08-2016, 18:48
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I understand advertising the new show in the breaks - that makes perfect sense. A very sensible use of money and maximising the effectivity of the advertising.

But throwing money at BB with a view to helping Bear to win seems a massive waste of money and way too big a gamble.

He is already the biggest player / character by a mile, he gets practically all the air time, his profile is sky high and he couldn't ask for more publicity.

So - on top of this - why is it important that he is crowned the winner? The winner is a one night only celebration, viewed by those who already know him. After that, it's nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Menk, I'm going to try again. I'm just repeating what I've already written but I'll phrase it differently.

People are a commodity, something that makes money for companies.

Companies make money from advertising, the more viewers the more they can charge the advertisers.

If someone is not well known they are not a valuable commodity. The more interest in that person, the higher their relative value.

The reason we have seen so much of Stephen is because he was advised what his role would be before going in the house/during his stay.

This was a deliberate ploy by the producers of the show, to make people hate him and get exposure in media outlets (websites, papers etc).

A loved hero is worth more than someone who everybody hates.

The new series of EOTB has already been filmed and it features Stephen. This is a programme also owned by the same company, if they can use one show to increase his exposure it will benefit their other show too. The more viewers they get the more they can charge advertisers. They have an opportunity to take viewers from BB who don't watch EOTB and bring them over. By making the show more like the modern 'reality' format they also increase the audience on BB.

They are making the show anyway, it is not costing them any 'extra' money to feature Stephen for 70-80% of the programme.

The 'plots' for reality shows are decided well in advance, producers, directors etc all have meetings to discuss this kind of thing.

By giving him an 'arc' or journey it gives viewers something to relate to, the producers are able to manipulate how the viewers feel about him and when viewers like people they are more likely to vote for them to win.

'Winner of CBB 2016' is always going to have more credence, importance than 'CBB contestant 2016' (note: importance= value)

Basically the company that owns BB now have used the programme for their own agenda in order to promote a certain person because it benefits them financially.

I don't know what more I can do for you now Menk, if you still don't get it then you'll have to try harder.
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:02
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Menk, I'm going to try again. I'm just repeating what I've already written but I'll phrase it differently.

People are a commodity, something that makes money for companies.

Companies make money from advertising, the more viewers the more they can charge the advertisers.

If someone is not well known they are not a valuable commodity. The more interest in that person, the higher their relative value.

The reason we have seen so much of Stephen is because he was advised what his role would be before going in the house/during his stay.

This was a deliberate ploy by the producers of the show, to make people hate him and get exposure in media outlets (websites, papers etc).

A loved hero is worth more than someone who everybody hates.

The new series of EOTB has already been filmed and it features Stephen. This is a programme also owned by the same company, if they can use one show to increase his exposure it will benefit their other show too. The more viewers they get the more they can charge advertisers. They have an opportunity to take viewers from BB who don't watch EOTB and bring them over. By making the show more like the modern 'reality' format they also increase the audience on BB.

They are making the show anyway, it is not costing them any 'extra' money to feature Stephen for 70-80% of the programme.

The 'plots' for reality shows are decided well in advance, producers, directors etc all have meetings to discuss this kind of thing.

By giving him an 'arc' or journey it gives viewers something to relate to, the producers are able to manipulate how the viewers feel about him and when viewers like people they are more likely to vote for them to win.

'Winner of CBB 2016' is always going to have more credence, importance than 'CBB contestant 2016'

Basically the company that owns BB now have used the programme for their own agenda in order to promote a certain person because it benefits them financially.

I don't know what more I can do for you now Menk, if you still don't get it then you'll have to try harder.
Totally get where you're coming from, Lee_Bo, however (BIB), this viewer is not impressed by the redemption arc and will not be voting for him to win.

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Old 17-08-2016, 19:09
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Totally get where you're coming from, Lee_Bo, however (BIB), this viewer is not impressed by the redemption arc and will not be voting for him to win.
As long as I'm not losing the plot, that's the main thing

I don't always explain things very well.
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