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Old 17-08-2016, 19:12
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On a side note; they cut BB short for CBB right? Was this so they could tie in to the scheduled start of EOTB? What do you think?
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:18
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The only part I'm interested in is the answer to my question which you have addressed:

'Winner of CBB 2016' is always going to have more credence, importance than 'CBB contestant 2016'
But with no explanation.

I didn't watch the last couple of CBBs, but the last one I watched was won by Katie Price. I had to look that up, because I only remembered Perez and a couple of others.

Previous winners were Gary Busey and Jim Davidson - so I really don't know where that leaves your theory.

Very often the winners have nothing more to do with the show, although some of the 'characters' from previous CBBs are invited back on to the spin off show.
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:20
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Although Bear has been throwing eggs around and pissing off the other HMs, so the whole idea of a redemption arc may be a little previous.
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:23
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Although Bear has been throwing eggs around and pissing off the other HMs, so the whole idea of a redemption arc may be a little previous.
Might be, who knows?! Just putting it out there. We'll see how it pans out. There's lots of talk of 'now I get you Bear you're not so bad' etc. Lets see.

I have gone into great detail about how being a winner is more beneficial for EOTB (which none of the other winners featured in) but I'm going to have to write you off as a lost cause at this point. I've done all I can. Maybe it's me, maybe it's you.
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:49
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I'm only taking that from what someone said upthread:



Everyone has a different theory - is there any wonder I'm confused?

And no-one, but no-one can answer my question as to why it is important that he actually is crowned winner, after all, he has already been the show.
Of course they're only theories as we're just shooting the breeze on a forum.

All we're doing is trying to give reasons why it's possible that there's stuff going on behind the scenes that are advantageous to Bear.

If nothing else, surely as a viewer you can see that he's getting preferential treatment in much the same way that Helen did.

I've lost count of how many warnings they both received
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:51
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Of course they're only theories as we're just shooting the breeze on a forum.

All we're doing is trying to give reasons why it's possible that there's stuff going on behind the scenes that are advantageous to Bear.

If nothing else, surely as a viewer you can see that he's getting preferential treatment in much the same way that Helen did.

I've lost count of how many warnings they both received
Agree, all I'm saying is keep your eyes open to the wider picture.
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Old 17-08-2016, 19:54
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As long as I'm not losing the plot, that's the main thing

I don't always explain things very well.
Well, if you're losing the plot, then so am I.
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:09
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Of course they're only theories as we're just shooting the breeze on a forum.

All we're doing is trying to give reasons why it's possible that there's stuff going on behind the scenes that are advantageous to Bear.

If nothing else, surely as a viewer you can see that he's getting preferential treatment in much the same way that Helen did.

I've lost count of how many warnings they both received
Oh, for sure!

It's clear that he is allowed to be a law unto himself. It's clear that they don't want him out. The fact that they show every little thing he does proves that beyond doubt - he is their cash cow!

My problem with this thread has only been that they want him as their winner. That makes no sense to me. He has already done his job and made the show what it is (like it or not) - but the necessity for him to win? Makes no sense.
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:16
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Oh, for sure!

It's clear that he is allowed to be a law unto himself. It's clear that they don't want him out. The fact that they show every little thing he does proves that beyond doubt - he is their cash cow!

My problem with this thread has only been that they want him as their winner. That makes no sense to me. He has already done his job and made the show what it is (like it or not) - but the necessity for him to win? Makes no sense.
But if you concede that he's being favoured, because he's helping the ratings, then doesn't it naturally follow that they want him in there for that purpose, until the very end?
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:19
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Oh, for sure!

It's clear that he is allowed to be a law unto himself. It's clear that they don't want him out. The fact that they show every little thing he does proves that beyond doubt - he is their cash cow!

My problem with this thread has only been that they want him as their winner. That makes no sense to me. He has already done his job and made the show what it is (like it or not) - but the necessity for him to win? Makes no sense.
Presumably bear winning would , for those who appreciate Bear, be a fitting denouement.
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:28
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It seems to me that the OP is worried in case people start to warm to Bear and realise that he is not a bully or the monster that some want to paint him. He's always been multi-dimensional - sometimes very funny, sometimes very annoying, and often intriguing.

The fact that he upsets the other celebs with his game-playing antics doesn't bother me as much as it does many others. As Bear said the other night, "This ain't no 'oliday camp".
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:29
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But if you concede that he's being favoured, because he's helping the ratings, then doesn't it naturally follow that they want him in there for that purpose, until the very end?
There until the end - yes.

But the whole idea of a redemption arc is that the viewers change their perception of him in order that they change their minds and vote for him. And the suggestion is that BB are behind it and coaching him off camera.

That is MASSIVE manipulation and I do not buy it.

Him bringing in the ratings until the final is all they want. If he wins, all well and good.

But there's not really anything in it to make it worth BB's while to put such massive manipulation into practise just to get a certain HM to be their crowned winner. They have never been bothered who has been chosen as the winner in the past, so why now?
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:34
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There until the end - yes.

But the whole idea of a redemption arc is that the viewers change their perception of him in order that they change their minds and vote for him. And the suggestion is that BB are behind it and coaching him off camera.

That is MASSIVE manipulation and I do not buy it.

Him bringing in the ratings until the final is all they want. If he wins, all well and good.

But there's not really anything in it to make it worth BB's while to put such massive manipulation into practise just to get a certain HM to be their crowned winner. They have never been bothered who has been chosen as the winner in the past, so why now?
But there IS massive manipulation going on though!

The editing
Changing how they nominate
VTS
Issuing him with a series of pointless warnings that he ignores

If you know and admit that they go that far ^^^ why refute that they'd go one step further?
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:46
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But there IS massive manipulation going on though!

The editing
Changing how they nominate
VTS
Issuing him with a series of pointless warnings that he ignores

If you know and admit that they go that far ^^^ why refute that they'd go one step further?
I can see the point to all of the above - as you said in your previous post, they want him there til the end. The edit gives him exposure, changing how they nominate helps keep him in, bending the rules re warnings keeps him in. (I believe CBB is always VTS). All these things are for BB's benefit - they want him there til the end.

But their winner? They don't care, once the show's over there's nothing more in it for them. Why take a further risk for something they don't care about? If they want him on their spin off show in the future, they will hire him, makes no odds to them whether he was the winner or not.
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Old 17-08-2016, 20:57
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But there IS massive manipulation going on though!

The editing
Changing how they nominate
VTS
Issuing him with a series of pointless warnings that he ignores

If you know and admit that they go that far ^^^ why refute that they'd go one step further?
Exactly and we know there's a lot of things happening with the other housemates that we don't even get to see in favour of tantrums, sexy time and arguments. Those are the priority now.

Sorry but if someone thinks this kind of show isn't structured and planned then that's a bit naive to me.
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Old 17-08-2016, 21:03
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I can see the point to all of the above - as you said in your previous post, they want him there til the end. The edit gives him exposure, changing how they nominate helps keep him in, bending the rules re warnings keeps him in. (I believe CBB is always VTS). All these things are for BB's benefit - they want him there til the end.

But their winner? They don't care, once the show's over there's nothing more in it for them. Why take a further risk for something they don't care about? If they want him on their spin off show in the future, they will hire him, makes no odds to them whether he was the winner or not.
Now I just think you're trolling to be honest. He's already on another show they own. People are more likely to follow the winner over to EOTB. Having 'the winner' on a show gives it more value than a just contestant and they can charge more from their advertisers. It is a money thing, as mentioned to you in the first reply, the first time you asked.

'The winner' of anything, anywhere in the world is better than not being the winner. It must be something you're obviously struggling with.

"Yeah but why do they want the gold medal, surely just being in the race is enough?"

Do you normally have trouble understanding basic concepts?

The explanation will not change so it is your comprehension that needs to improve. 'I don't get it' doesn't suffice. You either need to explain in comparative detail why you don't think being the winner is more important or just accept that it is beyond you.
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Old 17-08-2016, 21:05
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I can't believe people still give channel 5 money by voting for this pile of shit they produce its madness last time I voted was bb 11 on channel 4 when I had live feed on the internet at least I saw a lot more of what went on and saw all the HMS more equally , if we decide who goes it should always be vote to evict not vote to save .
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Old 17-08-2016, 21:52
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Exactly and we know there's a lot of things happening with the other housemates that we don't even get to see in favour of tantrums, sexy time and arguments. Those are the priority now.

Sorry but if someone thinks this kind of show isn't structured and planned then that's a bit naive to me.
And we had proof of that this year so it's gone beyond mere speculation.

Chloe talking about them WhatsApping beforehand blew the lid right off that one.

Back in the day, we naively used to think BB had them on lockdown prior to launch night and nobody had a clue who else was going to be on the show.

Now we know that some of them share agents and are plotting away together to create a narrative for themselves, others are given their own rooms and bloody laptops, or hairdressers, some are let out for other engagements - it's beyond a flipping joke.

The more they undermine that kind of stuff, the less enjoyable I find it.

IDK why they don't rename the program really cos BB this ain't.

Call it Big Farce or Big Pisstake or something.

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Old 17-08-2016, 22:01
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There you go even Renne and Audley dont think bear is a bully and want to keep him in so it dosnt become a borefest - they like Bear.
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Old 17-08-2016, 22:04
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There you go even Renne and Audley dont think bear is a bully and want to keep him in so it dosnt become a borefest - they like Bear.
Her name's Aubrey
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Old 17-08-2016, 22:06
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The more they undermine that kind of stuff, the less enjoyable I find it.
The whole thing with Lewnie is a bit embarrassingly obvious, especially with the pictures of them together before going in to the house. They actually seem like they're reading off a script sometimes even though they're not. Terrible acting
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Old 17-08-2016, 22:08
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Her name's Aubrey
Yeah but imagine if Audley Harrison was back in there, he wouldn't have taken any bear shit!
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Old 17-08-2016, 22:21
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Yeah but imagine if Audley Harrison was back in there, he wouldn't have taken any bear shit!
Audley Harrison was a great housemate , good on celebrity masterchef recently as well.
Good episode for bear tonight , came over really well and charming scene with renee , katie and aubrey.
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Old 17-08-2016, 22:29
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Good episode for bear tonight , came over really well and charming scene with renee , katie and aubrey.
Yes.

It's almost as if the OP was absolutely right.

So this is the start of Bear's ''redemption''.
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Old 17-08-2016, 22:34
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Conspiracy theory alert!!!

You believe that BB want Bear to win, and are coaching him so as to get this result?

What could they possibly gain from Bear being their winner?
More viewing figures for EOTB starting very very soon. They also increase revenue with the drama storyline. If you look at voting figures for Helen and Marc years compared to the previous year they are much higher. They didn't bank on Marc being evicted but they earn loads from his eviction. Same with Jason win....the drama around that caused an influx of votes. People stated they were voting for the first time ever or in years because of what Jason was put through. I very nearly fell off my Helen Wood wagon but didn't.

I won't give them anymore of my money and I am not a conspiracy theorist. ....I usually poo poo them but after watching the sitcom bb@helenwood directed by her " good friend" who owned channel 5 and all the other BS that came out in the investigation afterwards.....no way
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