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Old 18-08-2016, 19:39
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What annoys me is that the anti-Bear brigade present their arguments in such a dogmatic way, usually referencing their superior intelligence at the same time. They claim to have specialist knowledge of the media and position themselves as experts who are enlightening the less media savvy and doing them a huge favour in the process.

I don't believe Bear is involved in some dastardly conspiracy with the producers. He's not trying to exploit the viewers. The edit usually favours him, but this doesn't mean they plotted it all out beforehand and wrote him a script of what to say and do.
Jeez Zarla, call me out if you're calling me out

I was in a position, many years ago, that made me aware of how much 'string pulling' goes on in the background of these types of things. People literally spend years building mutually beneficial relationships. It happens in most business arenas including politics.

I'm not a 'media insider' or have anything to do with BB or any show. I've just seen some things on my journey through life that makes me a little more aware of how these things work.

I also take an interest in the way the news and media works in general and from an historic point of view, how the public has been manipulated in the past and how we work as a society.

I think of it as looking at the bigger picture rather than accepting what is handed to me as truth. It's good to challenge things in life and seek you're own truth from several sources.

I wasn't aware that expressing my thoughts was a bad thing.
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Old 18-08-2016, 19:47
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Yes I agree. It's no longer the interesting social reaction and interesting experimental programme that it started out as. Just another Towie, Geordie Shore (insert your own trash TVShow). If I wanted to watch those shows I would. However they have infiltrated onto this show. I skipped BB and CBB for several years because of this. Thought I'd give it another go this year. But it's shit and will welcome its demise within the next few years. Shame.
Agree, in the early days it was interesting watching strangers negotiate their way around the situations they found themselves in. Eventually, conflict would occur naturally and again, it was interesting to see how different people handled these conflicts whilst trying to remain civil.
As time has gone on there is no more 'civil' it's just conflict and 'keeping it real'. You're not being real unless you're shouting, arguing and generally saying unpleasant things.
Those who try to either avoid conflict or who try to navigate the waters peacefully are either boring or 'playing a game' and are snakes, not to be trusted.

The state of things now is more a commentary on today's society and what qualifies as 'entertainment' than it is a reality show. What's also interesting is the lengths production companies will go to in order to deliver this 'entertainment'.
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:07
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Damon_Plembury You are SO right!
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:12
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Don't care what the ratings are. This is the worst CBB I have ever watched. I doubt even Bear supporters would say it's been a particularly good season. Too many fence sitters/non-entities aswell as the focus on a complete and utter prat.
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:31
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Jeez Zarla, call me out if you're calling me out

I was in a position, many years ago, that made me aware of how much 'string pulling' goes on in the background of these types of things. People literally spend years building mutually beneficial relationships. It happens in most business arenas including politics.


I think of it as looking at the bigger picture rather than accepting what is handed to me as truth. It's good to challenge things in life and seek you're own truth from several sources.

I wasn't aware that expressing my thoughts was a bad thing.
In order to look at the bigger picture, you need to consider the legal ramifications for Ch5 if they were caught in some sort of dodgy deal to make Bear the winner by getting him to follow a pre-arranged script. With all the betting that goes on, they would lose their license if a scandal like that emerged.

They simply would not risk this just to promote Bear's role in Ex on the Beach.
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:39
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In order to look at the bigger picture, you need to consider the legal ramifications for Ch5 if they were caught in some sort of dodgy deal to make Bear the winner by getting him to follow a pre-arranged script. With all the betting that goes on, they would lose their license if a scandal like that emerged.

They simply would not risk this just to promote Bear's role in Ex on the Beach.
I don't think I've seen anybody claim that they're deliberately rigging the vote.

There's a difference, at least I think, in manipulating the vote through promotion and editing and straight up rigging it. If they flat out rigged it then I think you're right they'd be in serious legal trouble.

Even Bear's fans I think would have to concede that not only does the edit favour him but that the producers have been unusually lenient in their responses to his behaviour.
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:39
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In order to look at the bigger picture, you need to consider the legal ramifications for Ch5 if they were caught in some sort of dodgy deal to make Bear the winner by getting him to follow a pre-arranged script. With all the betting that goes on, they would lose their license if a scandal like that emerged.

They simply would not risk this just to promote Bear's role in Ex on the Beach.
Again, the response to that, is it's not a scandal, it is accepted by many that there is a lot of power in editing and that a lot of reality shows are either full-on scripted (not in BB's case) or at least 'structured'

They have tremendous power in the edit and can paint pretty much any person as any character. If they wanted to, they could have had Stephen out in the second week without having to fix any phone polls.
They don't have to do anything illegal, it is just the nature of the format.

Promise me you'll at least watch Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe to get a rough idea of how you can paint two different characters with the same footage.

The fact of it is they saw Bear on a previous show and wanted him for CBB. Maybe he was even suggested from higher up in the chain as a commodity they wanted to promote. Even at that point they probably had a pretty strong idea of how they were going to play things. They would have had production meetings about it. They would have spoken to his management about how they liked his 'fiery' character.
It doesn't need to be as overt as saying 'Right Stephen, we've got you down in week 1 as having an argument with xyz'. Even on his little visits to the DR they offer 'advice', what they say and their tone is indicative of what they're after.

It's a whole can of worms and I'm tired of typing, try and watch that show I mentioned above if you can
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:40
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Promise me you'll at least watch Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe to get a rough idea of how you can paint two different characters with the same footage.
That episodes really funny. I liked the one he did for The Apprentice too with "King Charlie".

(points finger)"You're fu**ed!"
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:41
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Agree, in the early days it was interesting watching strangers negotiate their way around the situations they found themselves in. Eventually, conflict would occur naturally and again, it was interesting to see how different people handled these conflicts whilst trying to remain civil.
As time has gone on there is no more 'civil' it's just conflict and 'keeping it real'. You're not being real unless you're shouting, arguing and generally saying unpleasant things.
Those who try to either avoid conflict or who try to navigate the waters peacefully are either boring or 'playing a game' and are snakes, not to be trusted.

The state of things now is more a commentary on today's society and what qualifies as 'entertainment' than it is a reality show. What's also interesting is the lengths production companies will go to in order to deliver this 'entertainment'.
Are you talking about civilian or celebrity BB? In civilian BB they contesting and fighting over something.
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Old 18-08-2016, 20:53
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That's spiteful. If you enjoy being mean, you should check out Datalounge.
His comment, just proves my point on how bitchy and low some get on here when you show support for Bear.
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Old 18-08-2016, 21:57
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This stock saying of '.... has done nothing' or '....theyre boring'

Were watching a 'supposed' reality TV show

Were a group of people co exist.

Editing 24 hours down to one hour a day means two things.

Those making the most noise will get the screen time

Those being real and honest will be deemed 'boring' because they will get NO Screentime.

So what you are left with in the highlights is one hour of fake, obnoxious, scripted crap that people think is entertaining.

What normal person acts the way Bear does?

The danger here is that people will now associate that behaviour with honesty and realness, when in fact bear is the most FALSE and FAKE one in there

The loudest is never the most honest

Somehow being nasty, obnoxious, loud, irritating and aggressive is being haled over honesty, likability, friendliness and humorous.

it is 10000000% reflection on the people who watch and vote. We are now a society of obnoxious, loud, vulgar, vain and petty people who thrive off fakeness and negativity.

Evidently Sam and Ricky have had their own storylines in the house, theres just no way they couldn't


Theirs have been real, and natural. But that whats BB is all about. It doesn't need to be all cannons blazing every night.

Give me natural, real and gentle over fake, false and LOUD any day

This show is starting to give me a headache
Yes yes yes agree with you 100%
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Old 18-08-2016, 21:57
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His comment, just proves my point on how bitchy and low some get on here when you show support for Bear.
I thought I was building bridges with you? No?
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Old 18-08-2016, 21:58
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Let's see the viewing figures for this tomorrow and see how Damon feels.
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:05
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Again, the response to that, is it's not a scandal, it is accepted by many that there is a lot of power in editing and that a lot of reality shows are either full-on scripted (not in BB's case) or at least 'structured'

They have tremendous power in the edit and can paint pretty much any person as any character. If they wanted to, they could have had Stephen out in the second week without having to fix any phone polls.
They don't have to do anything illegal, it is just the nature of the format.

Promise me you'll at least watch Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe to get a rough idea of how you can paint two different characters with the same footage.
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The fact of it is they saw Bear on a previous show and wanted him for CBB. Maybe he was even suggested from higher up in the chain as a commodity they wanted to promote. Even at that point they probably had a pretty strong idea of how they were going to play things. They would have had production meetings about it. They would have spoken to his management about how they liked his 'fiery' character.
It doesn't need to be as overt as saying 'Right Stephen, we've got you down in week 1 as having an argument with xyz'. Even on his little visits to the DR they offer 'advice', what they say and their tone is indicative of what they're after.

It's a whole can of worms and I'm tired of typing, try and watch that show I mentioned above if you can
And apparently are only paying him £12,000
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:05
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Don't care what the ratings are. This is the worst CBB I have ever watched. I doubt even Bear supporters would say it's been a particularly good season. Too many fence sitters/non-entities aswell as the focus on a complete and utter prat.
Of course it's the worst, that's why viewing numbers are declining, according to the BARB website.
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:06
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And apparently are only paying him £12,000
Yeah but how much are they making? They're definitely getting their money's worth.
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:07
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Of course it's the worst, that's why viewing numbers are declining, according to the BARB website.
They aren't declining for this one higher than the two previous summer cbbs
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:10
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They aren't declining for this one higher than the two previous summer cbbs
It's only based on about 300 actual viewers, an extra 20 or 40 viewers (in the real world) would be enough to see a big difference in ratings, it equates to hundreds of thousands.
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:22
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y'all mother****ers need jesus
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:27
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y'all mother****ers need jesus
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:28
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The only gerrymandering that the producers need to do - and boy do they do it to suit themselves - is to impose either 'vote to save' or 'vote to evict'.

As many of us have pointed out over the years, viewing figures are number one because they equal advertising revenue. Plus there's vote money.

*Massive reveal alert*

They don't put telly shows on because they love us, you know. They do it to make money.

ETA: But of course they are gradually shooting away what's left of their feet by alienating the majority of stalwart BB fans many of whom have already switched off.
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:30
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They aren't declining for this one higher than the two previous summer cbbs
According to BARB viewing figures for CBB have went from 2,349 million to 1.869 million. How is this not a decline?
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:30
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I thought I was building bridges with you? No?
Well now you've unblocked me, we can.
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:31
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y'all mother****ers need jesus
Who's Jesus?
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Old 18-08-2016, 22:31
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According to BARB viewing figures for CBB have went from 2,349 million to 1.869 million. How is this not a decline?
From when to when is this quoting salv in the ratings thread keeps it accurate .
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