Jeez Zarla, call me out if you're calling me out

I was in a position, many years ago, that made me aware of how much 'string pulling' goes on in the background of these types of things. People literally spend years building mutually beneficial relationships. It happens in most business arenas including politics.

I'm not a 'media insider' or have anything to do with BB or any show. I've just seen some things on my journey through life that makes me a little more aware of how these things work.

I also take an interest in the way the news and media works in general and from an historic point of view, how the public has been manipulated in the past and how we work as a society.

I think of it as looking at the bigger picture rather than accepting what is handed to me as truth. It's good to challenge things in life and seek you're own truth from several sources.

I wasn't aware that expressing my thoughts was a bad thing.

Agree, in the early days it was interesting watching strangers negotiate their way around the situations they found themselves in. Eventually, conflict would occur naturally and again, it was interesting to see how different people handled these conflicts whilst trying to remain civil.
As time has gone on there is no more 'civil' it's just conflict and 'keeping it real'. You're not being real unless you're shouting, arguing and generally saying unpleasant things.
Those who try to either avoid conflict or who try to navigate the waters peacefully are either boring or 'playing a game' and are snakes, not to be trusted.

The state of things now is more a commentary on today's society and what qualifies as 'entertainment' than it is a reality show. What's also interesting is the lengths production companies will go to in order to deliver this 'entertainment'.

Damon_Plembury You are SO right!

Don't care what the ratings are. This is the worst CBB I have ever watched. I doubt even Bear supporters would say it's been a particularly good season. Too many fence sitters/non-entities aswell as the focus on a complete and utter prat.

In order to look at the bigger picture, you need to consider the legal ramifications for Ch5 if they were caught in some sort of dodgy deal to make Bear the winner by getting him to follow a pre-arranged script. With all the betting that goes on, they would lose their license if a scandal like that emerged.

They simply would not risk this just to promote Bear's role in Ex on the Beach.

I don't think I've seen anybody claim that they're deliberately rigging the vote.

There's a difference, at least I think, in manipulating the vote through promotion and editing and straight up rigging it. If they flat out rigged it then I think you're right they'd be in serious legal trouble.

Even Bear's fans I think would have to concede that not only does the edit favour him but that the producers have been unusually lenient in their responses to his behaviour.

Again, the response to that, is it's not a scandal, it is accepted by many that there is a lot of power in editing and that a lot of reality shows are either full-on scripted (not in BB's case) or at least 'structured'

They have tremendous power in the edit and can paint pretty much any person as any character. If they wanted to, they could have had Stephen out in the second week without having to fix any phone polls.
They don't have to do anything illegal, it is just the nature of the format.

Promise me you'll at least watch Charlie Brooker's Screen Wipe to get a rough idea of how you can paint two different characters with the same footage.

The fact of it is they saw Bear on a previous show and wanted him for CBB. Maybe he was even suggested from higher up in the chain as a commodity they wanted to promote. Even at that point they probably had a pretty strong idea of how they were going to play things. They would have had production meetings about it. They would have spoken to his management about how they liked his 'fiery' character.
It doesn't need to be as overt as saying 'Right Stephen, we've got you down in week 1 as having an argument with xyz'. Even on his little visits to the DR they offer 'advice', what they say and their tone is indicative of what they're after.

It's a whole can of worms and I'm tired of typing, try and watch that show I mentioned above if you can

That episodes really funny. I liked the one he did for The Apprentice too with "King Charlie".

(points finger)"You're fu**ed!"

Are you talking about civilian or celebrity BB? In civilian BB they contesting and fighting over something.

His comment, just proves my point on how bitchy and low some get on here when you show support for Bear.

Yes yes yes agree with you 100%

I thought I was building bridges with you? No?

Let's see the viewing figures for this tomorrow and see how Damon feels.

And apparently are only paying him £12,000

Of course it's the worst, that's why viewing numbers are declining, according to the BARB website.

Yeah but how much are they making? They're definitely getting their money's worth.

They aren't declining for this one higher than the two previous summer cbbs

It's only based on about 300 actual viewers, an extra 20 or 40 viewers (in the real world) would be enough to see a big difference in ratings, it equates to hundreds of thousands.

y'all mother****ers need jesus

Testify!

http://i.imgur.com/8kaJZkZ.jpg

The only gerrymandering that the producers need to do - and boy do they do it to suit themselves - is to impose either 'vote to save' or 'vote to evict'.

As many of us have pointed out over the years, viewing figures are number one because they equal advertising revenue. Plus there's vote money.

*Massive reveal alert*

They don't put telly shows on because they love us, you know. They do it to make money.

ETA: But of course they are gradually shooting away what's left of their feet by alienating the majority of stalwart BB fans many of whom have already switched off.

According to BARB viewing figures for CBB have went from 2,349 million to 1.869 million. How is this not a decline?

Well now you've unblocked me, we can.

Who's Jesus?

From when to when is this quoting salv in the ratings thread keeps it accurate .