They will get together, and be happish for about a week..then JP will realize that he still have feelings for Scott, and will cheat on James with him, to our despair. At the same time James will realize that he is not such a "massive gay" afterall, and he will start an affair with Joanne. Then, despite all the cheatings JP and James will get engaged, but then James will get scared and revert back to his original self, and turn into the new village serial killer, and then he will be killed off. End of story, in typical HO fashion.

The scary thing is that this is actually believable for HO 🙄

I think you are being far too pessimistic. The spoilers always overhyped everything. I am sure the revenge will be kicking her out. That will only be the start. JP won't counternounce being with James for a long while. When Tabitha comes he will begin to learn about his childhood from the people who inflicted adult problems onto him. James's telling JP will just sound like empty excuses. JP will be deeply hurt by his actions and won't listen. As to Scott that ship has sailed. Scott is a romantic and JP has continued to cheat on him. JP has broken up with him 3 times and has always preferred James. The writers also gave him the line about ' if it wasn't James it would be someone else'. Truer words never spoken.

I hope so. It's just Kirkwood. I really don't have much faith in him after what he did to my beloved chryed. 😑

I prefer to be pessimistic and expect the worse, hoping to be positively surprised. I have absolutely no faith in HO and Kirkwood (and yet I was fool enough to let them draw me back with this new JP/James thing), given the state the show has been in the last 2-3 years. Let's hope for the better, though. At least we know the actors are capable, so they will probably be able to elevate even mediocre material.

(also, my predictions were tongue in cheek...mostly! )

After today Im thinking that James' secret is he was beaten by Mac, his temper and violence was raised again, and we are assuming the person in the spoilers is his mum, when Mac yelled at him he backed off and looked scared

I assume it would go something like this, Morticia had a break down when Nathan and Ellie were young, and James looked after them (He already said as much) and Mac took his aggression out on James
Or he had a sibling who died before Nathan came along

Macs temper didn't even register when it came to James childhood but it too crossed my mind that he was referring to Mac and not his mum in the spoilers. I'm not sure about this angle but it is plausible mac used to take things out on James , which hardened his heart I guess. I suppose marnie took advantage of that as he grew older...? I dunno.

I don't mind this story per se but I find psychological abuse that Marnie inflicted on him as a child much more interesting than a physical one. I think that's probably because we've see similar plots play out before.

Another sibling crossed my mind too.

Hahahahahaha...this is brilliant and I can totally see this happening

Eh? What have I missed? Aren't Christian and Syed still living 'happily ever after' off screen?

Yes they are. They went through the mill, but they absolutely had a 100% happy ending.

The sibling thing came to mind cos of something said in Killjoys about the brothers knowing what its like to lose a brother, and i thought well theres a big age gap, James has to be 31-32 Nathan is 24-25 thats a big gap, so a lost sibling, and the morticia mind games are possible

Oh they are but when Kirkwood took over EE, he put them completely in the background. Seriously the black holes that we are having now with McNight have nothing on chryed. We didn't see them for months at a time and when we did, thier characterisation was so poor it was almost like looking at completely different characters/couple. The final nail in the coffin was syed cheating. I know it's soap and it happens but the way it was done was ridiculous especially when you consider all he sacrificed to be with Christian and suddenly he wasn't enough and syed was bored? Complete baloney. Thier ending was the right one but it was a hollow victory and after all the damaged that was caused to them in the past year, I was willing for them to leave myself.

Sorry for the rant. 😳 Chryed was probably my favourite couple ever. The story was beautifully told but still irritates me 5 years later how badly the characters and actors were treated towards the end of thier run. Also I got the impression that Kirkwood never really cared for them or thier fans when I read his comments. He almost sounded bitter.

This is why I don't have a huge amount of faith in McNight and my annoyance doesn't just stem from from what he did to chryed but also eastenders in general. I never saw the show in such a bad state as I did then.

I will say though he has done a good job on HO for the last 6 months so there may be hope yet.

Oh my gosh I don't even remember Syed cheating! With who? I may need to go back and rewatch the whole Chryed story....from the beginning

Are you watching Marc Elliot in Holby?

A word of advice, don't rewatch. Keep the memories just as they were with the epic job DTC and Diedrick Santer did. It's all downhill after 2010 (though 2011 was definitely lesser worse) and the last three months of thier run... I could write an essay on how bad it got.

Chryed for their first year is definitely worth a rewatch though and I say that for anyone who hasnt seen thier story yet. It's epic and full on angst. New Years Day 2010 is still imo one of the best episodes EE has produced.

Yeah I heard Marc is now in holby, though i haven't caught any episodes yet.

Under Kirkwood Chryed was so bad that I only wanted them to leave to finally put an end to the misery.

Kirkwood is also the man who created McDean, and then utterly pissed on it and its legacy with no regard to the fans. So I only expect the worst from him, he's fickle (like the HO viewers, apparently...didn't he say they had a short attention span??) and probably also a bit petty, and since he came back to HO he totally ruined it, just like he had ruined EEs before.

I wish McNight could happen with another EP, but it is what it is.

And there we have it. As much as we despise what Kirkwood did to chryed and eastenders, he has given us James and none of us would be in this thread if the man himself didn't introduce him in the first place. Likewise it's how james is currently being developed that keeps us talking. So as much as we can pick fault in him - and I could be here all day listing them - he has created something special with James. However it is early days and I've become sort of used to his character assassinations so I'm not going to live in hope. Like I said before, we've just got to enjoy the ride for as long as we can.

Coming up with interesting concepts or characters is not the most difficult part, the most difficult part is what to do with them after. Also, Kirkwood has created James, but the main reason the character works is Gregory, imo.

Anyway, yeah, we will see. I'm feeling not so positive today, don't know why!! Maybe it's the blackhole that's messing with my head!

Sorry, I forgot to answer. It we with some random character called Danny who only came to the show for this ridiculous plot.

Yeah totally about Gregory. He is such a fine actor that he is able to draw the audience in. He had me at his first scene. HO are lucky to have him as it's not easy to get the audience behind a villian type character.

I know what you mean about feeling negative. For me it's the not know how long or short they are going to develop them. Everything seems cosy now but it can all change.

I think you are right, I often try to imagine I would I like XYZ if another actor played them? And some times I think yes, Would i like JP if he was played by scott, I cant imagine it

PMSL oh the thought. 😳 😂

or would freddie be a good Ste?

Absolutely agree 100%. I mean, he has been given good material to work with but he definitely has something special that makes him so good to watch.


Oh yeah of course. Now I remember! My memory is getting so bad

Freddie isn't even a good Freddie, he could never be a good anyone!!

But Ste just has to look stoned and lustfully at young boys surely freddie could do that?

I think the actor makes a lot of the character