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Old 21-08-2016, 19:00
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I'm going through all the episodes of HO from January onwards to see the Nightingale family stuff I haven't seen (it's going to take a while LOL). Very interesting dynamics!!
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Old 21-08-2016, 19:13
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I'm going through all the episodes of HO from January onwards to see the Nightingale family stuff I haven't seen (it's going to take a while LOL). Very interesting dynamics!!
It really is. It's strange because Marnie and James are almost a seperate family because they a) they came into the show a little later and 2) have not been in the other nightingales orbits the best part of a decade.

I think it's clear from the earlier days that James finds it difficult to talk and bond with his siblings because he's quite different to them and plus they've spent so much time apart. It's a very odd relationship. However we are starting to see glimpses of his nurturing side now with how he's been with Ellie and Alfie. There is little between him and Nathan but I'm sure that will come through the eventually but I get the impression there may be some resentment there. Nathan got it easy and was fortunate to be raised by his father where as James drew the short straw. He had his mum take him away brainwashing him his whole life into being cold and calculating.
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Old 21-08-2016, 19:22
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It really is. It's strange because Marnie and James are almost a seperate family because they a) they came into the show a little later and 2) have not been in the other nightingales orbits the best part of a decade.

I think it's clear from the earlier days that James finds it difficult to talk and bond with his siblings because he's quite different to them and plus they've spent so much time apart. It's a very odd relationship. However we are starting to see glimpses of his nurturing side now with how he's been with Ellie and Alfie. There is little between him and Nathan but I'm sure that will come through the eventually but I get the impression there may be some resentment there. Nathan got it easy and was fortunate to be raised by his father where as James drew the short straw. He had his mum take him away brainwashing him his whole life into being cold and calculating.
Yes, and he is also convinced that his father always favoured Nathan because he was the kind of son he wanted, unlike himself.

Poor James, I wanna give him a hug! LOL
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Old 21-08-2016, 19:31
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Yes, and he is also convinced that his father always favoured Nathan because he was the kind of son he wanted, unlike himself.

Poor James, I wanna give him a hug! LOL
I know. Difference is James was the first born therefore Marnie only had him to manipulate. All of Marnies bitterness, she relayed to her son. I'm not sure what the age gap is between James and Nathan is but I'm thinking 8 years at least. By the time James was 18 and having his mother as a sidekick, I'm sure he was already scheming to get ahead. Nathan would have been around 10.
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Old 21-08-2016, 20:55
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It's always good to look at very early days James. Loved his first scene. Talk about setting the tone.😀
There was also one episode in January where Mac discovers what she and James did to tony and the hutch and he goes batshit crazy at her. I found it interesting that he said he expected it from Marnie but not from James. His face said it all.

Then there was an episode in May after JP and James first sleep together. John Paul was touching some mugs on James table to which James got very defensive about. The scene implies that it belonged to someone in James past. Presumably this links into the secret past plot. Me thinks that person died. Yep I'm still going with the morbid death theory. 😑
when was Mac having a go at them about Tony and Diane?
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Old 21-08-2016, 20:58
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Yes, and he is also convinced that his father always favoured Nathan because he was the kind of son he wanted, unlike himself.

Poor James, I wanna give him a hug! LOL
I wondered what he meant about that, I cant just be the dislike of football, because he adores Alfie and Alfie isnt a football lad either
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Old 21-08-2016, 21:15
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when was Mac having a go at them about Tony and Diane?
I can't remember which episode it was but I think it was around March time. It was when Mac discovered that Marnie and James made Tony bankrupt so he had to sell the hutch to them. He chastised them for their despicable behavior. He was really harsh to Marnie (well deserved I'd say) and she was so upset that James had to console her. Back then he was blinded to her and felt sorry for her.

Though now, I think he knows what Mac said had some truth.
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Old 21-08-2016, 21:23
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I can't remember which episode it was but I think it was around March time. It was when Mac discovered that Marnie and James made Tony bankrupt so he had to sell the hutch to them. He chastised them for their despicable behavior. He was really harsh to Marnie (well deserved I'd say) and she was so upset that James had to console her. Back then he was blinded to her and felt sorry for her.

Though now, I think he knows what Mac said had some truth.
I find Mac a very odd father, hes more interested in his gf than his kids, Nathan is the alpha male of that little group, he takes care of things, Mac is always on hols or away somewhere
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Old 21-08-2016, 22:59
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It's such a shame James and John Paul didn't have a proper introduction scene, they just kinda knew each other and we never saw how they first met. What a shame!
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Old 22-08-2016, 00:09
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It's such a shame James and John Paul didn't have a proper introduction scene, they just kinda knew each other and we never saw how they first met. What a shame!
they met when JP went to shout at them cos they were using Scott after scott tried to set fire to the hutch and they were talking about using him
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Old 22-08-2016, 01:22
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they met when JP went to shout at them cos they were using Scott after scott tried to set fire to the hutch and they were talking about using him
Bloody hell, how did I miss that?
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Old 22-08-2016, 02:02
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Bloody hell, how did I miss that?
cos it involved Scott and like me and Starry you blank it from your mind and fill your head with happy thoughts

about 11.50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_LeMfIvBLg
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:07
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I remember that scene. It's funny because back then I didn't really root for them because there was no real spark but looking back now, James looks like he is eyeing him up. They had no scenes together prior and John Paul's involvement back then was all about Scott being used, aswell as James persuing Harry so it was hard to tell.

However for me it was thier second 'date' where John Paul was blackmailed into pretending to be James's boyfriend that i really saw something. I really liked how smitten JP was after they slept together and James could really see that but it made him uncomfortable. You could tell that even then James liked him but didn't want to admit it, hence why he told him to back off later that day.

However I just knew after Wednesday and Thursday's episodes last week that they were going to gain a much stronger following. This was mostly because there was major character development for James and there was no denying thier chemistry. I've been waiting for a thread on these two for weeks. 😂
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:26
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I have been rewatching the scene in the hospital. I loved it when James said 'you have done your good deed, now get lost'. I feel that every time I see Scott. I don't think he will be back with JP because telling someone in love with you that you don't feel the same is a killer. They say a relationship does not survive a marriage proposal refusal and that is equal to that. JP always knew he would hurt him and knew they were not right for each other.

I would like to watch the early Nightingale scenes but that link on youtube above has been blocked by channel 4. Does anyone know a good link for those early scenes?
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Old 22-08-2016, 08:39
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I have been rewatching the scene in the hospital. I loved it when James said 'you have done your good deed, now get lost'. I feel that every time I see Scott. I don't think he will be back with JP because telling someone in love with you that you don't feel the same is a killer. They say a relationship does not survive a marriage proposal refusal and that is equal to that. JP always knew he would hurt him and knew they were not right for each other.
It's definitely over.

I don't think anyone has to worry about Scott and JP getting back together. Their split seemed very final and it looks like HO really has closed the book on this one. Right move. I mean they were never right for each other anyway but if this story is to move forward, removing Scott from the equation was a necessary step.

I would like to watch the early Nightingale scenes but that link on youtube above has been blocked by channel 4. Does anyone know a good link for those early scenes?
You can either download Hola or Zenmate (which is what I use) and then change your settings to America. That's what I did yesterday and it's allowing me to watch A-Z on YouTube now.
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:27
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Interesting first scene together, thank you for the link. Obviously watching it retrospect I can see the signs, like James blatantly checking John Paul out the whole time! I think if I'd seen that scene at the time I'd have started rooting for them then.
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:32
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However for me it was thier second 'date' where John Paul was blackmailed into pretending to be James's boyfriend that i really saw something.
The 'fake boyfriends with hidden actual feelings for each other' is one of my favourite tropes tbh and I loved that entire scenario!
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Old 22-08-2016, 09:55
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The 'fake boyfriends with hidden actual feelings for each other' is one of my favourite tropes tbh and I loved that entire scenario!
Yeah, even when they were just having dinner with James's colleagues, you can tell that James actually enjoyed John Paul's company and visa versa, otherwise JP wouldn't have offering himself to attend the ball.
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Old 22-08-2016, 11:29
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What I loved the most about these last few episodes was how James was automatically already acting like JP's protective/possessive boyfriend. I particularly loved the "Are you Mr McQueen's partner" "Yes! I mean, Scott is" (paraphrasing here) exchange, and James' use of "we" "We should sue Nancy", "We will fix this" "We're gonna get the best cure money can buy (paraphrasing again)", like they were a team.

So sweet. Too bad he ruined everything!!
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Old 22-08-2016, 13:48
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So I managed to install Hola on my laptop and I am dying to watch all the James and JP clips but.....I have my mum visiting from SA so cannot just sit on the laptop and ignore her Think I am going to make sure that she has an early night so that I can sit here and binge watch.

I also want to rewatch McDean from 2008 now that I can watch some of the previously blocked vids on YouTube.
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Old 22-08-2016, 15:15
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I hope John Paul's blindness isn't resolved too quickly, I really want to see James fighting his feelings for him and hopefully clashing with Marnie in the process.
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Old 22-08-2016, 16:02
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I hope John Paul's blindness isn't resolved too quickly, I really want to see James fighting his feelings for him and hopefully clashing with Marnie in the process.
Yeah agreed. We all know JP will get his sight back but I do want HO to really use this opportunity to develope them, even if they don't get together.

The saddo in me is already dreaming up scenarios. One of them if John Paul thinking he's talking to a family member about James, expressing now much he cares for him etc, not knowing that it's actually James standing there. Or HO can go the other way and have him slag of James - which would be far more painful. 😁
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Old 22-08-2016, 18:47
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I hope they get together before JP gets his sight back. It would be a good way to show that James is genuine, and that he cares about/loves JP enough to want him and stand by him despite whay happened to him. It would be too easy for him to wait for JP to be able to see again to pursue/want to be with him.

Are JP and/or James supposed to be in tonight's episode?? I'm impatient.

ETA: from the episode description, no. Bloody hell, now the long wait starts.
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Old 22-08-2016, 19:35
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I hope they get together before JP gets his sight back. It would be a good way to show that James is genuine, and that he cares about/loves JP enough to want him and stand by him despite whay happened to him. It would be too easy for him to wait for JP to be able to see again to pursue/want to be with him.

Are JP and/or James supposed to be in tonight's episode?? I'm impatient.

ETA: from the episode description, no. Bloody hell, now the long wait starts.
Oh yeah, Hollyoaks does these big gaps between storylines don't they? Ugh.
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Old 22-08-2016, 19:52
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Oh yeah, Hollyoaks does these big gaps between storylines don't they? Ugh.
Tbh, this happens on all soaps. Though kirkwood took it to a whole new level with Christian and Syed in EE. 😑

I do know we are seeing James in some scenes with Joanne this week. 🙂
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