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Hollyoaks: The John Paul McQueen and James Nightingale Appreciation Thread
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ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“I'm prepared to be very annoyed with James (on JP's behalf) tonight, as he tries to help Joanne steal Joe from Mercedes.

I'm very curious to find out how on earth JP even begins to give James the time of day again, let alone forgive him, after everything!!”

another fight and making out session lol

I cant work out how he can fix this and get JP
Francy
24-08-2016
I'm still waiting for tonight's episode (or at least the James scenes) to pop up somewhere in the internet...but alas, no luck so far.

Not living in the UK sucks.
ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“I'm still waiting for tonight's episode (or at least the James scenes) to pop up somewhere in the internet...but alas, no luck so far.

Not living in the UK sucks.”

you are not missing much, was a bit disapointed that Mercy didnt have a go at James (still feels odd not calling him Boris) when they bumped into each other at the garage, normally she would be pretty snide to him
Francy
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“you are not missing much, was a bit disapointed that Mercy didnt have a go at James (still feels odd not calling him Boris) when they bumped into each other at the garage, normally she would be pretty snide to him”

Probably because JP isn't the focus of the episode, so we can't have continuity. You know, we must not confuse the poor, dumb viewers with too much stuff!!
ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“Probaḅy because JP isn't the focus of the episode, so we can't have continuity. You know, we must not confused the poor, dumb viewers with too much stuff!!”

no JP either, James was mostly used for being a lawyer, getting warren out seeing other clients and helping the crazy one try to get Joe,

I really wanted Mercy to have a go, and give James a reason to mess with her and Joe
margarite6666
24-08-2016
Interesting point though. Diego's sister does look like Mercedes. I thought James would know it wasn't her but it doesn't look like it. Hence he has an excuse of mistaken identity.
JP will be in it this week as Diego makes him smile. Not sure how he does that as he is busy trying to get Mercedes out.
ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“Interesting point though. Diego's sister does look like Mercedes. I thought James would know it wasn't her but it doesn't look like it. Hence he has an excuse of mistaken identity.
JP will be in it this week as Diego makes him smile. Not sure how he does that as he is busy trying to get Mercedes out.”

Maybe he tells JP hes leaving and will never return, that would make me smile

wasnt JP meant to have a crush on him at one point?
Francy
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“Maybe he tells JP hes leaving and will never return, that would make me smile

wasnt JP meant to have a crush on him at one point?”

Not really, HO tried to make it look so (like when they were implying that Sally might have a crush on JP, before revealing the truth), but actually he was mostly embarassed because Diego and Myre were constantly at it in every corner of the house 24/7, and sad because he was being constantly reminded that he had noone. He told Myra that he wanted to have with someone what she and Diego had.

Which is probably why he got with Scott...he was desperate.
ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“Not really, HO tried to make it look so (like when they were implying that Sally might have a crush on JP, before revealing the truth), but actually he was mostly embarassed because Diego and Myre were constantly at it in every corner of the house 24/7, and sad because he was being constantly reminded that he had noone. He told Myra that he wanted to have with someone what she and Diego had.

Which is probably why he got with Scott...he was desperate.”

Scott what a bad choice, why??? even JP looked horrified, plus he split up with him 3 times, they never seeemed really happy, mostly JP looking upset that he was in public with a clown

this was why i assumed he liked him

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/holl...ego-next-week/
Francy
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“Scott what a bad choice, why??? even JP looked horrified, plus he split up with him 3 times, they never seeemed really happy, mostly JP looking upset that he was in public with a clown

this was why i assumed he liked him

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/holl...ego-next-week/”

Yeah, I remember those spoilers... inflated, as always!!!

Why would Scott actually parade around the town dressed like a clown or a magician all the time!! Sigh. Tragic.
ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“Yeah, I remember those spoilers... inflated, as always!!!

Why would Scott actually parade around the town dressed like a clown or a magician all the time!! Sigh. Tragic.”

I got the feeling they were testing out of people liked the idea if the pairing, they tend to do that, have a random kiss then nothing for a while while they get feed back from it

Scott http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/08/...0-e4340-04.jpg

JP needs to be with someone he respects
Francy
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by ChelseaEllie:
“I got the feeling they were testing out of people liked the idea if the pairing, they tend to do that, have a random kiss then nothing for a while while they get feed back from it

Scott http://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/08/...0-e4340-04.jpg

JP needs to be with someone he respects”

Jesus.. I'm going to have nightmares tonight. And I don't even have a clown phobia.
ChelseaEllie
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“Jesus.. I'm going to have nightmares tonight. And I don't even have a clown phobia.”

I really hope that JP and Scott are done for good

maybe Scott can run away to France in sorrow
margarite6666
25-08-2016
Just read the article about Linda Gray as Marnie's mum. I take it she will putt on a British accent as she is posh like Marnie and thinks she married beneath her. It does say she is close to James. She is only in it a week so it would be an excellent opportunity to spill the beans on secrets. I still think Mac is not James' dad which is why she likes him and Mac didn't bond with him. JP might overhear a conversation between Marnie and her mum.
KatrinaK
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“Just read the article about Linda Gray as Marnie's mum. I take it she will putt on a British accent as she is posh like Marnie and thinks she married beneath her. It does say she is close to James. She is only in it a week so it would be an excellent opportunity to spill the beans on secrets. I still think Mac is not James' dad which is why she likes him and Mac didn't bond with him. JP might overhear a conversation between Marnie and her mum.”

This is a possibility but I do think there is another secret with James or at least something that happened to James that the audience doesn't know about. I'm sure I read a article somewhere which said James has been burnt in the past. I do think it's likely that Marnies mum is aware and i am looking forward to seeing scenes between herself and James.

On another topic, I forgot about the Diego making john Paul smile spoiler so I guess we will see JP tonight. Also likely James too but his scenes are most likely to be with Joanne.
Francy
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“Just read the article about Linda Gray as Marnie's mum. I take it she will putt on a British accent as she is posh like Marnie and thinks she married beneath her. It does say she is close to James. She is only in it a week so it would be an excellent opportunity to spill the beans on secrets. I still think Mac is not James' dad which is why she likes him and Mac didn't bond with him. JP might overhear a conversation between Marnie and her mum.”

I hope that's not James' secret. It would be so boring... the "your father is not your real father" reveal has been done so many times. Besides, I'd prefer James to be Mac's son and therefore fully part of the Nightingale clan (with whom I hope he well get to interact more in the future), not being Mac's son would separate him even more from the rest of the family.
margarite6666
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“I hope that's not James' secret. It would be so boring... the "your father is not your real father" reveal has been done so many times. Besides, I'd prefer James to be Mac's son and therefore fully part of the Nightingale clan (with whom I hope he well get to interact more in the future), not being Mac's son would separate him even more from the rest of the family.”

I can't think of any other reason for the comment about Mac playing football with Nathan and Marnie and James being left out. James did say he looked after his siblings so they do care for each other.
LilMissBossy
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“I hope that's not James' secret. It would be so boring... the "your father is not your real father" reveal has been done so many times. Besides, I'd prefer James to be Mac's son and therefore fully part of the Nightingale clan (with whom I hope he well get to interact more in the future), not being Mac's son would separate him even more from the rest of the family.”

I hope so too! But we know what soaps are like....they keep recycling the same storylines over and over and over! Looks like we are getting another 'who's the daddy' with Maxine

I think James's secret has something to do with Japan and those Japanese cups / vases that JP picked up and was so firmly told to put down.
KatrinaK
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“I hope that's not James' secret. It would be so boring... the "your father is not your real father" reveal has been done so many times. Besides, I'd prefer James to be Mac's son and therefore fully part of the Nightingale clan (with whom I hope he well get to interact more in the future), not being Mac's son would separate him even more from the rest of the family.”

I agree. Apart from me not thinking or wanting this to be the big secret, I don't like the idea of Mac not being James's father. I like the thought of their relationship being strained because of issues they have as father and son. I think that angle is far more interesting than the 'I don't care for you much because you are not mine' predictability. The only way I'd be okayish with this plot is is Mac was in the dark about this. I'd like to think that despite their delicate relationship that Mac still see's James as his son and loves him all the same.

Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“I can't think of any other reason for the comment about Mac playing football with Nathan and Marnie and James being left out. James did say he looked after his siblings so they do care for each other.”

I think it's purely because Nathan is quite similar to his dad in alot of ways and that Nathan is what you call a lads lad. He is into footy and he wears his heart on his sleeve. James on the other hand, is what I can imagine wasn't a 'typical son' and because of that, Mac had difficulty bonding with him. I don't think it helped with Marnie dripping poison in his ear either.

Originally Posted by LilMissBossy:
“I think James's secret has something to do with Japan and those Japanese cups / vases that JP picked up and was so firmly told to put down.”

Yes, yes, THIS! It's the exact thought I had when the scene first aired.

They belonged to someone James cared about in his past. Something bad happened to the person, maybe by Jame's hand.

I'm calling it now!
Francy
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“I can't think of any other reason for the comment about Mac playing football with Nathan and Marnie and James being left out. James did say he looked after his siblings so they do care for each other.”

I didn't interpret it like that... frankly, the possibility of James not being Mac's son never occurred to me until I read it here.

I just took it as James and Mac not having much of a relationship due to having little in common, personality-wise. Sometimes people just don't get along that well and aren't close, despite being family. Also, whether it's true or not, it's common for gay sons to believe that they aren't the sons their fathers would have wanted. In that regard, James would have seen Nathan as the ideal son. And Mac was indeed closer to Nathan. Basically, what Katrina said!

However, I think Marnie must have played a big part in all of this, drawing James to her since he was very young, shaping him and molding him the way she wanted. Probably without her diabolical influence James would have been closer to his dad (and for one, he wouldn't have lived away from his family for all those years).
margarite6666
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“I agree. Apart from me not thinking or wanting this to be the big secret, I don't like the idea of Mac not being James's father. I like the thought of their relationship being strained because of issues they have as father and son. I think that angle is far more interesting than the 'I don't care for you much because you are not mine' predictability. The only way I'd be okayish with this plot is is Mac was in the dark about this. I'd like to think that despite their delicate relationship that Mac still see's James as his son and loves him all the same.


I think it's purely because Nathan is quite similar to his dad in alot of ways and that Nathan is what you call a lads lad. He is into footy and he wears his heart on his sleeve. James on the other hand, is what I can imagine wasn't a 'typical son' and because of that, Mac had difficulty bonding with him. I don't think it helped with Marnie dripping poison in his ear either.



Yes, yes, THIS! It's the exact thought I had when the scene first aired.

They belonged to someone James cared about in his past. Something bad happened to the person, maybe by Jame's hand.

I'm calling it now!”

I thought it was the Japanese version of feng shui. There was that pyramid like object hanging over the cups. As far as I know you have to lay things in a certain way. I had the feeling this is why he told JP to put the cup back. Definitely some secret to come from that. This is what makes James an interesting character. I look at Harry and see nothing. It was funny seeing Warren tell Ste that if he didn't control the drugs he would go and see Brendan. It is the thought of what his death would do to him , not to Harry that might straighten him out.
Francy
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“It was funny seeing Warren tell Ste that if he didn't control the drugs he would go and see Brendan. It is the thought of what his death would do to him , not to Harry that might straighten him out.”

Ugh, my heart... it aches!!


Harry is a useless character, played by an awful actor.

I wonder where they can go with Ste, from here... because it's clear that they don't want him stable and content, ever.
KatrinaK
25-08-2016
I find Harry completely dull and Starry do nothing for me. However after Brendan, nothing was ever going to measure up really.

I suppose the same can be said with John Paul in regards to McDean. Difference is though there has been a 10 year gap and while McDean still have their fans, enough time as passed for JP to have another 'great love'.
McGillicuddy
25-08-2016
Aww, I quite like Harry.

So apparently John Paul is in tonight's E4 ep, hope James is as well.
ChelseaEllie
25-08-2016
Originally Posted by Francy:
“I didn't interpret it like that... frankly, the possibility of James not being Mac's son never occurred to me until I read it here.

I just took it as James and Mac not having much of a relationship due to having little in common, personality-wise. Sometimes people just don't get along that well and aren't close, despite being family. Also, whether it's true or not, it's common for gay sons to believe that they aren't the sons their fathers would have wanted. In that regard, James would have seen Nathan as the ideal son. And Mac was indeed closer to Nathan. Basically, what Katrina said!

However, I think Marnie must have played a big part in all of this, drawing James to her since he was very young, shaping him and molding him the way she wanted. Probably without her diabolical influence James would have been closer to his dad (and for one, he wouldn't have lived away from his family for all those years).”

I agree with you, I would hate it to be something as dull as who is the father, and it be sally as well, but this is hiollyoaks so thats it
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