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Old 18-08-2016, 23:13
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That would make her a bad person.

But it wouldn't make her responsible for the cheating. He's solely responsible for that. He could just say "No, I'm in a relationship.".
Yes, of course, but she could also have said 'No, you're in a relationship.'
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Old 18-08-2016, 23:15
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Yes, of course, but she could also have said 'No, you're in a relationship.'
Yes, but, my point is she didn't do any cheating.

If she knew he had a g/f it makes her a lousy person. But it doesn't make her responsible for the cheating. The cheating is all on him. Unless you think "I couldn't help myself" is a valid excuse. He wasn't forced in to it.
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Old 18-08-2016, 23:20
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I honestly started to find Bear... bearable. He'd cracked a few giggles from me - and then they threw in the ex and I've now lost complete respect for him.
I don't like Chloe, but I certainly don't blame her.

I honestly think that in that moment, Bear knew that he'd lose a lot of voters which is why he cried in the bathroom - to act like he was sorry. We need to remember what he's admitted - he knows how to play the game! I think if he'd been caught on the outside, we would of seen a much more care free attitude, but because a lot of females are voting him, he knows he's got some making up to do.
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Old 18-08-2016, 23:21
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I can't stand either of them but, I'd say the blame is squarely in Bear's court. He gave Chloe the green light all the way, made out his relationship was nothing, etc. Yes, she sort of knew, perhaps he may or may not have been telling the truth, but she can only go on what he was saying to her ultimately, because she was attracted to him.

You could have a gorgeous, butt-naked Angelina Jolie served up for you on a table but, if you are in a serious relationship or married, a decent guy would walk away (painful as the temptation may be!) because he values his relationship. The 'other woman' is single. She's not doing anything wrong.

Yes, you could question her decency for going after a man who is already involved (I wouldn't go anywhere near them if this was the case, personally) but she is single, and if he is putting it out there that so is he, then he is the one who is fundamentally wrong. Women who are involved with men like this consistently blame the sisterhood to a greater degree rather than hold the man accountable, but the fact is, if his object of attraction doesn't put out, he'll go and find it elsewhere anyway, because that's who he is by nature. Ditto if it's a woman cheating on her boyfriend. Nobody deserves to be cheated on.
agree chloe is not at fault
and i agree its a bad thing to cheat and can't condone it but i will say going into bb and having a girlfriend of just 8 weeks im not that surprised or shocked he strayed
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Old 18-08-2016, 23:40
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oh please!, Lillie his ex!!!! is no angel ..shes like the local faeries wheel, everyone has had a ride

Lillie just wanted her 5 minutes of fame and they were not together very long

The CBB producers obviously wanted to crush bear and his chances of winning, everyone else got nothing but good visitors? ...yeah right! ..obvious much! lol
Exactly. I can't believe some of the rubbish on here as it is obviously Lillie, Bear's ex's fault. What is wrong with people

Thank goodness there is always a female around to blame when men cheat and someone like Bear can be made a victim and rehabilitated for the BB audience. Just in case his popularity was dipping
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Old 19-08-2016, 00:14
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I agree it's 50/50. She knew he had a girlfriend, so it's just as much on her as it is on him.

They're both pretty vile.
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Old 19-08-2016, 00:17
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Bear, obviously, he's the one that did the cheating.
Exactly !
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Old 19-08-2016, 00:23
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I agree with most of the post here. It's Bear's fault and even if Chloe knew he was seeing someone it's still mostly Bear's fault as he's the one in the relationship, the amount of time they were together doesn't excuse that either.
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Old 19-08-2016, 00:31
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THEY BOTH went in there to MAKE ROMANCE......as did LEWIS & MARNIE......

So bored with the showmances to earn money.......
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Old 19-08-2016, 00:33
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Bear is bewildered now that he has not got a 'bit' to fall back on........
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Old 19-08-2016, 00:48
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If you honestly think Chloe is to blame in any way shape or form you are sexist, plain and simple.

IF she knew Bear was in a relationship then you could use the "takes two to tango" defence but that is not what happened.

Plus it was Chloe who was being pestered into a showmance by Bear and not the other way round, the whole thing was his idea which she eventually went along with.

He wasn't seduced into cheating, he actively sought it out!
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:09
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I can't stand either of them but, I'd say the blame is squarely in Bear's court. He gave Chloe the green light all the way, made out his relationship was nothing, etc. Yes, she sort of knew, perhaps he may or may not have been telling the truth, but she can only go on what he was saying to her ultimately, because she was attracted to him.

You could have a gorgeous, butt-naked Angelina Jolie served up for you on a table but, if you are in a serious relationship or married, a decent guy would walk away (painful as the temptation may be!) because he values his relationship. The 'other woman' is single. She's not doing anything wrong.

Yes, you could question her decency for going after a man who is already involved (I wouldn't go anywhere near them if this was the case, personally) but she is single, and if he is putting it out there that so is he, then he is the one who is fundamentally wrong. Women who are involved with men like this consistently blame the sisterhood to a greater degree rather than hold the man accountable, but the fact is, if his object of attraction doesn't put out, he'll go and find it elsewhere anyway, because that's who he is by nature. Ditto if it's a woman cheating on her boyfriend. Nobody deserves to be cheated on.
Great post, nicely said. I agree completely (not that you need my approval I just mean... well, you know what I mean ).
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:10
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I agree it's 50/50. She knew he had a girlfriend, so it's just as much on her as it is on him.

They're both pretty vile.
The question was 'cheating' - only one person was cheating, that's Bear. Who was Chloe cheating on?
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:13
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The question was 'cheating' - only one person was cheating, that's Bear. Who was Chloe cheating on?
But he couldn't cheat without her cooperation. So she's complicit in the action.
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:14
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If you honestly think Chloe is to blame in any way shape or form you are sexist, plain and simple.

IF she knew Bear was in a relationship then you could use the "takes two to tango" defence but that is not what happened.

Plus it was Chloe who was being pestered into a showmance by Bear and not the other way round, the whole thing was his idea which she eventually went along with.

He wasn't seduced into cheating, he actively sought it out!
Chloe did not 'romance' him.....she shoved her tits out, and smiled sweetly when she got a response, from the only one that responded.....and he only responded because she was the only option....
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:15
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If you honestly think Chloe is to blame in any way shape or form you are sexist, plain and simple.

IF she knew Bear was in a relationship then you could use the "takes two to tango" defence but that is not what happened.

Plus it was Chloe who was being pestered into a showmance by Bear and not the other way round, the whole thing was his idea which she eventually went along with.

He wasn't seduced into cheating, he actively sought it out!
He was clearly in the wrong, no question about it. However, Chloe is an adult and is responsible for her own actions. If she knowingly coupled up with a man who was not single, then she is also in the wrong, although less culpable than Bear, since the person they were both hurting was someone he was supposed to care about. It's a moot point, though, since there's a fair old chance that the whole thing was contrived, nay, pre-arranged.
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:18
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Chloe did not 'romance' him.....she shoved her tits out, and smiled sweetly when she got a response, from the only one that responded.....and he only responded because she was the only option....
Oh, there was no romance involved. It was a coupling of convenience.
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:25
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But he couldn't cheat without her cooperation. So she's complicit in the action.
But she didn't cheat. Was it the decent thing to do if she knew he was 'taken' - no. She still wasn't cheating on anybody though, he was. He knew he was with somebody else, nobody forced him to go after Chloe.
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Old 19-08-2016, 01:54
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Did we even know that Bear had a girlfriend when he went with Chloe? I certainly didn't and as I remember zilch backlash on here I'm assuming no one else did either. So how do we know that Chloe knew It seems to me, and this is from Bear's mouth, that he wanted to end his relationship his girlfriend and realised that getting with someone in the House would facilitate that and then along came Chloe.

It's completely obnoxious and highly unfair to blame anyone but Bear for all his relationship issues. He is playing his heart out to win this show and having a showmance was part of that and Chloe is just a pawn in all of that like everyone else.
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Old 19-08-2016, 14:49
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But he couldn't cheat without her cooperation. So she's complicit in the action.
If she didn't know; that's one situation. If she did, or in a similar theoretical situation; then I don't & never have seen the difference between cheating and complicity in cheating. Mrs Doasyouwouldbedoneby & all that, the rest is hairsplitting in my (non-sexist) humble opinion.

However:

He was clearly in the wrong, no question about it. However, Chloe is an adult and is responsible for her own actions. If she knowingly coupled up with a man who was not single, then she is also in the wrong, although less culpable than Bear, since the person they were both hurting was someone he was supposed to care about. It's a moot point, though, since there's a fair old chance that the whole thing was contrived, nay, pre-arranged.
in this instance, mostly the above with a hefty dose of who knows & who cares.
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Old 19-08-2016, 14:54
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If it hadn't been Chloe it would have been someone else.....Marnie was spoken for or she would no doubt have been his first choice.... He couldn't help himself... Lillie is best out of it !!!......
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Old 19-08-2016, 14:54
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100% Bear, he was the one in a relationship.
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Old 19-08-2016, 14:56
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To be fair you have to take a bit of responsibility yourself when you are known for dating reality stars who are known for putting it about.
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Old 19-08-2016, 14:57
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I would say it was 50/50. It takes two to tango after all
Has Chloe cheated on her boyfriend too????
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Old 19-08-2016, 14:58
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Bears fault.
He was attached, she wasn't.
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