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Old 30-08-2016, 20:07
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I don't like James at the moment
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:33
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Thanks Sweetie

Im wondering what hes up to with Joanne, there seemed to be something implied today when she was getting the mug
Joanne was pretty obviously thinking of Joe when she looked at the mug (mug in both senses really ). James knows her intentions re Joe because of earlier conversations and the bet and he was just giving her the heads up that Mercedes would be out soon.

I think he's enough a friend of Joanne to help her out on occasion as long as it doesn't interfere with his plans.
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:33
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I don't like James at the moment
Surely thats the idea, hes distancing himself from his emotions as much as he can to pretend he feels nothing for JP
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:34
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Surely thats the idea, hes distancing himself from his emotions as much as he can to pretend he feels nothing for JP
I don't like him interfering with joe /mercy for Joanne.

Nothing to do with Jp
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:42
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I don't like him interfering with joe /mercy for Joanne.

Nothing to do with Jp
Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:44
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Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
Yeah he seems very disloyal so I think he might.

He's a great character though.
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:53
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Yeah he seems very disloyal so I think he might.

He's a great character though.
He only got close to her cos she took his job, and then he felt bad cos she was crying, he gives her glances like you need to be committed, and said to his mum he would talk about her, so I wonder if Im reading more into it than the writers planned but I cant see him as being the type to forgive and forget cos of a crying woman, after she back stabbed him and told him to get over it
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:54
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Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
If he has a change of mind and decides he does want JP after all outing Joanne (she was also the other half of the bet) could get him in Mercy's good books and hence an "in" with the McQueens.
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Old 30-08-2016, 20:58
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If he has a change of mind and decides he does want JP after all outing Joanne (she was also the other half of the bet) could get him in Mercy's good books and hence an "in" with the McQueens.
Or outing her cos she should be committed would be good
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Old 30-08-2016, 21:12
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I like James Nightingale as well, and I think Gregory Finnegan has portrayed him greatly in the almost 8 months he's been on our screens.

I can see why he'd be compared to Joseph Brown (Dr Browning) & Emmet J Scanlon who was Brendan, but he is so different in that for every bad flaw at least one redeeming feature rears when it comes to emotional/close family scenes, and we don't get to see much of that with the true bad boys.

My favourite James-ism Gregory does is the lip quivering when delivering lines, like when he's being sarcastic/angry.

All in all I hope we have more of an in-depth look into James' past, perhaps that might show us why he is on most occasions his mothers little "yes man" . And with Linda Gray coming in temporarily as his grand mumma I'm sure it'll thrust open a Pandora's box of hidden thoughts and feelings

..... Yes James has feelings (finally!). He proved that (well almost before Marnie butted in) when he almost took care of temporarily blind John Paul.

Here's to an autumn & winter 2016 / 2017 James for months and years to come.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:07
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If Brendan returned, it would be the ruin of the character. Second stints almost never work. For Brendan to remain the beloved and iconic character he is remembered as, he needs to stay away from HO, especially while Kirkwood is in charge. And I think Emmett Scanlan knows that, and that's why we will never see him on HO again.
Yes, I agree with pretty much all of this. Much as I enjoyed watching Brendan, I would hate for the character to return, even for a short while - Kirkwood would be bound to ruin the legacy. And I'm pretty sure that Emmett has no intention of ever opening that door again.

Not sure why a thread about james has become a brendan love in
tbh, I'm not really seeing a 'love in' - but if some posters are comparing James with Brendan, then it's fair enough if others want to respond to those comparisons.

Of course he went out on the balcony with the intention to die and if he had that wld have been the perfect exit. They turned him into a loser by having him thrown in prison (like a piece of rubbish) then had Cheryl going off into the sunset after killing the man she was supposed to adore after finding out what her brother had been through but she still left him to take the rap. She wouldn't even let Brendan answer the phone call that Ste made when he heard the gunshot.
I remember reading long before Brendan's exit that Emmett Scanlan wanted Brendan's exit to be epic with police helicopters, car chase etc it sounded in that interview that he wouldn't accept anything less. Well, he had the opportunity to leave this for the fans. He acted all the scenes he wanted but left the character a loser giving Walker exactly what he wanted.
BIB well, he did get to do all of those things, didn't he? I kind of look at his exit as a "2 for the price of one" deal ... if you can't cope with the prison ending, just blank out the last episode from your memory and pretend he really *did* die on the balcony. Or, for the fans who couldn't cope with him dying on the balcony - yay, he didn't!
I know it might be disappointing if you didn't get the ending you hoped for, but It was never going to be perfect for everyone because 1) Kirkwood was overseeing it, and 2) whether Brendan lived or died (or went on the run) it was impossible to keep everyone happy, as different fans wanted different endings.

Back on topic - I'm slightly disappointed that James isn't conveying even a hint of inner turmoil over his cruelty to JP. Sorry to compare with Brendan again but this was something that Emmett excelled at - even when Brendan was being cruel, or aloof, or violent to Ste - there was always something in the way Emmett played it, little touches, some micro-expression, or the delivery of the lines, that showed his inner conflict or torment, demonstrating emotions that might not have been obvious when just looking at the written script. I've yet to see anything like this from James, so although I do think the character has improved and shows promise, there's still room for a lot more character development. Hopefully, the writers (and Kirkwood) will allow this to be explored in a satisfactory fashion.
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Old 31-08-2016, 10:38
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I like James Nightingale as well, and I think Gregory Finnegan has portrayed him greatly in the almost 8 months he's been on our screens.

I can see why he'd be compared to Joseph Brown (Dr Browning) & Emmet J Scanlon who was Brendan, but he is so different in that for every bad flaw at least one redeeming feature rears when it comes to emotional/close family scenes, and we don't get to see much of that with the true bad boys.

My favourite James-ism Gregory does is the lip quivering when delivering lines, like when he's being sarcastic/angry.

All in all I hope we have more of an in-depth look into James' past, perhaps that might show us why he is on most occasions his mothers little "yes man" . And with Linda Gray coming in temporarily as his grand mumma I'm sure it'll thrust open a Pandora's box of hidden thoughts and feelings

..... Yes James has feelings (finally!). He proved that (well almost before Marnie butted in) when he almost took care of temporarily blind John Paul.

Here's to an autumn & winter 2016 / 2017 James for months and years to come.

Yes for someone who is pretty cocky, he obeys his mother like a child. She stopped him letting JP move in and obviously split him with his ex too.
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Old 31-08-2016, 15:13
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Is he? I thought recent scenes with JP and Marnie have given him a fair bit of depth. I mean I know he's been machavillian for the most part so I can't blame anyone for seeing in bad light but unlike his callous mother, he does have more shades of grey. Im yet to sympathise with that witch but who knows. 😶
To me, James and his ridiculous mother are the most pantomime-villain-like characters ever seen in Hollyoaks, and thatīs saying something. The whole JP thing was, I suppose, meant to make us think James might be slightly likable after all, but Iīm not buying it.
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Old 31-08-2016, 15:30
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To me, James and his ridiculous mother are the most pantomime-villain-like characters ever seen in Hollyoaks, and thatīs saying something. The whole JP thing was, I suppose, meant to make us think James might be slightly likable after all, but Iīm not buying it.
I don't think that development was meant to make him likable but to make his character more 3D. Dont get me wrong, he's still a manipulative snake and his feelings for JP hasn't suddenly eradicated that. However now i have a bit of an understanding of why he is the way that he is (the recent scene he had with his mother). Where as with Marnie, we've only ever seen her one way, therefore making it difficult to empathise with her. That's what makes her panto for me. She's very one-dimmentional.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:07
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We do need to get him away from his mother a bit more though. Marnie's a dreadful character. James most definitely isn't though.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:45
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To me, James and his ridiculous mother are the most pantomime-villain-like characters ever seen in Hollyoaks, and thatīs saying something. The whole JP thing was, I suppose, meant to make us think James might be slightly likable after all, but Iīm not buying it.
Marnie is very panto-villain, also because the actress is terrible.

James is not.
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Old 31-08-2016, 16:56
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Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
I hope he does, I'm actually finding it really hard to like Joanne, and the fact she is trying to break Joe & Mercedes up doesn't help, as I think they have the potential to be a great couple.

James is so much better away from Marnie, he definitely cares for JP but he was manipulated by Marnie, will be interesting to see their backstory.
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:01
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I hope he does, I'm actually finding it really hard to like Joanne, and the fact she is trying to break Joe & Mercedes up doesn't help, as I think they have the potential to be a great couple.

James is so much better away from Marnie, he definitely cares for JP but he was manipulated by Marnie, will be interesting to see their backstory.
I never liked Joanne, think shes horrid and shallow and cruel
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Old 31-08-2016, 19:09
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I never liked Joanne, think shes horrid and shallow and cruel
I don't mind Joanne. I mean she's not a favourite but I do find her quite entertaining. I can imagine her going all bunny boiler over joe. 😜 I think at the very crux, she is just lonely.
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Old 31-08-2016, 20:15
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I don't mind Joanne. I mean she's not a favourite but I do find her quite entertaining. I can imagine her going all bunny boiler over joe. 😜 I think at the very crux, she is just lonely.
she can date scott and leave Joe and Mercy alone
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:24
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I don't mind Joanne. I mean she's not a favourite but I do find her quite entertaining. I can imagine her going all bunny boiler over joe. 😜 I think at the very crux, she is just lonely.
Gosh I hate her. She is so pathetic, throwing herself at every guy who smiles at her.

And now we're supposed to buy that within a few hours (!) from leaving Mercy in jail, Joe is totally into her?
Ridiculous.
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Old 01-09-2016, 10:35
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Marnie is very panto-villain, also because the actress is terrible.

James is not.
Yes, she is truly awful.

I remain to be convinced about James.
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Old 02-09-2016, 11:34
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she can date scott and leave Joe and Mercy alone
Mercy doesn't deserve happiness.
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Old 10-09-2016, 15:53
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The ending of Friday's E4 episode was very interesting. The Nightingales as a family obviously have more secrets being gradually revealed.
I always thought James was a complex character, and we are beginning to see why he is how he is.
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Old 10-09-2016, 17:05
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The ending of Friday's E4 episode was very interesting. The Nightingales as a family obviously have more secrets being gradually revealed.
I always thought James was a complex character, and we are beginning to see why he is how he is.
James is a awesome multi-faceted character and im pleased the writers are finally digging into his past so the viewers can gain some perspective. Even from his very early days i could see there was a story that needed telling with James. I really hope the writers never stop exploring him.
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