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I don't like James at the moment
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Thanks Sweetie
Im wondering what hes up to with Joanne, there seemed to be something implied today when she was getting the mug ). James knows her intentions re Joe because of earlier conversations and the bet and he was just giving her the heads up that Mercedes would be out soon.I think he's enough a friend of Joanne to help her out on occasion as long as it doesn't interfere with his plans. |
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I don't like James at the moment
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Surely thats the idea, hes distancing himself from his emotions as much as he can to pretend he feels nothing for JP
Nothing to do with Jp
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I don't like him interfering with joe /mercy for Joanne.
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Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
He's a great character though. |
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Yeah he seems very disloyal so I think he might.
He's a great character though. |
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Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
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If he has a change of mind and decides he does want JP after all outing Joanne (she was also the other half of the bet) could get him in Mercy's good books and hence an "in" with the McQueens.
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I like James Nightingale as well, and I think Gregory Finnegan has portrayed him greatly in the almost 8 months he's been on our screens.
I can see why he'd be compared to Joseph Brown (Dr Browning) & Emmet J Scanlon who was Brendan, but he is so different in that for every bad flaw at least one redeeming feature rears when it comes to emotional/close family scenes, and we don't get to see much of that with the true bad boys. My favourite James-ism Gregory does is the lip quivering when delivering lines, like when he's being sarcastic/angry. All in all I hope we have more of an in-depth look into James' past, perhaps that might show us why he is on most occasions his mothers little "yes man" . And with Linda Gray coming in temporarily as his grand mumma I'm sure it'll thrust open a Pandora's box of hidden thoughts and feelings ..... Yes James has feelings (finally!). He proved that (well almost before Marnie butted in) when he almost took care of temporarily blind John Paul. Here's to an autumn & winter 2016 / 2017 James for months and years to come. |
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If Brendan returned, it would be the ruin of the character. Second stints almost never work. For Brendan to remain the beloved and iconic character he is remembered as, he needs to stay away from HO, especially while Kirkwood is in charge. And I think Emmett Scanlan knows that, and that's why we will never see him on HO again.
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Not sure why a thread about james has become a brendan love in
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Of course he went out on the balcony with the intention to die and if he had that wld have been the perfect exit. They turned him into a loser by having him thrown in prison (like a piece of rubbish) then had Cheryl going off into the sunset after killing the man she was supposed to adore after finding out what her brother had been through but she still left him to take the rap. She wouldn't even let Brendan answer the phone call that Ste made when he heard the gunshot.
I remember reading long before Brendan's exit that Emmett Scanlan wanted Brendan's exit to be epic with police helicopters, car chase etc it sounded in that interview that he wouldn't accept anything less. Well, he had the opportunity to leave this for the fans. He acted all the scenes he wanted but left the character a loser giving Walker exactly what he wanted. I kind of look at his exit as a "2 for the price of one" deal ... if you can't cope with the prison ending, just blank out the last episode from your memory and pretend he really *did* die on the balcony. Or, for the fans who couldn't cope with him dying on the balcony - yay, he didn't! ![]() I know it might be disappointing if you didn't get the ending you hoped for, but It was never going to be perfect for everyone because 1) Kirkwood was overseeing it, and 2) whether Brendan lived or died (or went on the run) it was impossible to keep everyone happy, as different fans wanted different endings. Back on topic - I'm slightly disappointed that James isn't conveying even a hint of inner turmoil over his cruelty to JP. Sorry to compare with Brendan again but this was something that Emmett excelled at - even when Brendan was being cruel, or aloof, or violent to Ste - there was always something in the way Emmett played it, little touches, some micro-expression, or the delivery of the lines, that showed his inner conflict or torment, demonstrating emotions that might not have been obvious when just looking at the written script. I've yet to see anything like this from James, so although I do think the character has improved and shows promise, there's still room for a lot more character development. Hopefully, the writers (and Kirkwood) will allow this to be explored in a satisfactory fashion.
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I like James Nightingale as well, and I think Gregory Finnegan has portrayed him greatly in the almost 8 months he's been on our screens.
I can see why he'd be compared to Joseph Brown (Dr Browning) & Emmet J Scanlon who was Brendan, but he is so different in that for every bad flaw at least one redeeming feature rears when it comes to emotional/close family scenes, and we don't get to see much of that with the true bad boys. My favourite James-ism Gregory does is the lip quivering when delivering lines, like when he's being sarcastic/angry. All in all I hope we have more of an in-depth look into James' past, perhaps that might show us why he is on most occasions his mothers little "yes man" . And with Linda Gray coming in temporarily as his grand mumma I'm sure it'll thrust open a Pandora's box of hidden thoughts and feelings ..... Yes James has feelings (finally!). He proved that (well almost before Marnie butted in) when he almost took care of temporarily blind John Paul. Here's to an autumn & winter 2016 / 2017 James for months and years to come. Yes for someone who is pretty cocky, he obeys his mother like a child. She stopped him letting JP move in and obviously split him with his ex too. |
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Is he? I thought recent scenes with JP and Marnie have given him a fair bit of depth. I mean I know he's been machavillian for the most part so I can't blame anyone for seeing in bad light but unlike his callous mother, he does have more shades of grey. Im yet to sympathise with that witch but who knows. 😶
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To me, James and his ridiculous mother are the most pantomime-villain-like characters ever seen in Hollyoaks, and thatīs saying something. The whole JP thing was, I suppose, meant to make us think James might be slightly likable after all, but Iīm not buying it.
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We do need to get him away from his mother a bit more though. Marnie's a dreadful character. James most definitely isn't though.
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To me, James and his ridiculous mother are the most pantomime-villain-like characters ever seen in Hollyoaks, and thatīs saying something. The whole JP thing was, I suppose, meant to make us think James might be slightly likable after all, but Iīm not buying it.
James is not. |
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Im wondering if he will out her at some point, he clearly thinks shes crazy
James is so much better away from Marnie, he definitely cares for JP but he was manipulated by Marnie, will be interesting to see their backstory. |
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I hope he does, I'm actually finding it really hard to like Joanne, and the fact she is trying to break Joe & Mercedes up doesn't help, as I think they have the potential to be a great couple.
James is so much better away from Marnie, he definitely cares for JP but he was manipulated by Marnie, will be interesting to see their backstory. |
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I never liked Joanne, think shes horrid and shallow and cruel
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I don't mind Joanne. I mean she's not a favourite but I do find her quite entertaining. I can imagine her going all bunny boiler over joe. 😜 I think at the very crux, she is just lonely.
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I don't mind Joanne. I mean she's not a favourite but I do find her quite entertaining. I can imagine her going all bunny boiler over joe. 😜 I think at the very crux, she is just lonely.
And now we're supposed to buy that within a few hours (!) from leaving Mercy in jail, Joe is totally into her? Ridiculous. |
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Marnie is very panto-villain, also because the actress is terrible.
James is not. I remain to be convinced about James. |
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she can date scott and leave Joe and Mercy alone
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The ending of Friday's E4 episode was very interesting. The Nightingales as a family obviously have more secrets being gradually revealed.
I always thought James was a complex character, and we are beginning to see why he is how he is. |
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The ending of Friday's E4 episode was very interesting. The Nightingales as a family obviously have more secrets being gradually revealed.
I always thought James was a complex character, and we are beginning to see why he is how he is. |
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). James knows her intentions re Joe because of earlier conversations and the bet and he was just giving her the heads up that Mercedes would be out soon.
I kind of look at his exit as a "2 for the price of one" deal ... if you can't cope with the prison ending, just blank out the last episode from your memory and pretend he really *did* die on the balcony. Or, for the fans who couldn't cope with him dying on the balcony - yay, he didn't!
but this was something that Emmett excelled at - even when Brendan was being cruel, or aloof, or violent to Ste - there was always something in the way Emmett played it, little touches, some micro-expression, or the delivery of the lines, that showed his inner conflict or torment, demonstrating emotions that might not have been obvious when just looking at the written script. I've yet to see anything like this from James, so although I do think the character has improved and shows promise, there's still room for a lot more character development. Hopefully, the writers (and Kirkwood) will allow this to be explored in a satisfactory fashion.
