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Old 11-09-2016, 10:48
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The Nightingales are a fantastic family and i'm glad we are getting more storylines with the fantastic James.
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Old 11-09-2016, 11:49
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The ending of Friday's E4 episode was very interesting. The Nightingales as a family obviously have more secrets being gradually revealed.
I always thought James was a complex character, and we are beginning to see why he is how he is.
It will be interesting to know if his brothers and sister know, they know that mac has a violent side, Morticia knows how to trigger it,

I wonder if he hurt Morticia, she seemed keen to trigger his violence, and if you suffered violence you wouldnt want it for someone else
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:07
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I don't think his siblings are aware. There is a 8-10 year age gap between James and Nathan surely. So if any abuse did take place, they'd have been too young to know. I think its likely that Marnie didn't know either and that James just hid it really well.

What I'm interested to know though is why. Not that there is any ever any excuse for beating your child but there must be some sort of explanation why Mac hit his eldest son but didn't lay a finger on any of his other children. Why James? I really hope it's not a paternity issue.
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:37
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I don't think his siblings are aware. There is a 8-10 year age gap between James and Nathan surely. So if any abuse did take place, they'd have been too young to know. I think its likely that Marnie didn't know either and that James just hid it really well.

What I'm interested to know though is why. Not that there is any ever any excuse for beating your child but there must be some sort of explanation why Mac hit his eldest son but didn't lay a finger on any of his other children. Why James? I really hope it's not a paternity issue.
My guess is that James as a young boy accidentally caused some sort of tragedy, and Mac has hated him since then. Mac said to him "all you ever did in your life is wreck things" before beating him up.

I can't see any other explanation...
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:39
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I don't think his siblings are aware. There is a 8-10 year age gap between James and Nathan surely. So if any abuse did take place, they'd have been too young to know. I think its likely that Marnie didn't know either and that James just hid it really well.

What I'm interested to know though is why. Not that there is any ever any excuse for beating your child but there must be some sort of explanation why Mac hit his eldest son but didn't lay a finger on any of his other children. Why James? I really hope it's not a paternity issue.
I have so many possible reasons
1) Mac thinks James ruined his life, having a baby being stuck with Morticia maybe blames him for it
2) some people fear that Mac is Homophobic
3) Something happened and Mac blames James, given the age gap another baby between James and Nathan (but they kinda did that story with Kim and her sisters)
4)To protect Morticia from Mac
5)not really Macs kid

any others you can think of?
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Old 11-09-2016, 12:48
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My guess is that James as a young boy accidentally caused some sort of tragedy, and Mac has hated him since then. Mac said to him "all you ever did in your life is wreck things" before beating him up.

I can't see any other explanation...
That's the only scenario I can think of too and one I can certainly buy. It's a lot more interesting than homophobic Mac or James not being Mac's son. That would be to predictable and not something that would excite me as a viewer. However this is HO so i won't hold my breath. 🙄

I just know that what ever it is, Gregory will pull it out the bag as he always does.
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Old 11-09-2016, 13:15
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That's the only scenario I can think of too and one I can certainly buy. It's a lot more interesting than homophobic Mac or James not being Mac's son. That would be to predictable and not something that would excite me as a viewer. However this is HO so i won't hold my breath. 🙄

I just know that what ever it is, Gregory will pull it out the bag as he always does.
maybe babysitting something happened
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Old 11-09-2016, 14:46
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That's the only scenario I can think of too and one I can certainly buy. It's a lot more interesting than homophobic Mac or James not being Mac's son. That would be to predictable and not something that would excite me as a viewer. However this is HO so i won't hold my breath. 🙄

I just know that what ever it is, Gregory will pull it out the bag as he always does.

He is brilliant such a good addition to Oaks
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Old 11-09-2016, 16:48
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He is brilliant such a good addition to Oaks
Yeah, I find Gregory natural in every scene. He has a strong screen presence and the actor certainly has the chops to take any material and just deliver. I do like sarcastic James but I always look forward to seeing a more vulnerable side to his character.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:00
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I'd be very surprised if Nathan, Ellie or Alfie know. They are just too adoring towards Mac and somewhat ambivalent, dismissive or even scornful towards James and Marnie - or at least Nathan is.

I do also think there needs to be a reason for there being such a large age gap between James and Nathan - a large enough one for either the abuse to have stopped by the time Nathan became aware of family dynamics or James being old enough to have learnt to conceal it.

Sometimes a parent can be abusive (physically or sexually) to only one child, whilst leaving the others alone. Also, there is the fact that the eldest is the one parents make most mistakes with, including being too heavy handed discipline wise, for various reasons - including being younger themselves and not knowing how to parent. They learn by doing, so the younger children get an easier ride. Also, maybe Mac received counselling or similar after being convicted of football hooliganism to it stopped then, before Nathan was old enough to be affected.

Maybe James just wasn't the type of son he wanted/expected whereas Nathan was? That isn't just the sexuality, just things like being into, or good at Sports - that sort of thing.

I do think there could be something in the theory that Marnie 'trapped' Mac into marriage by falling pregnant - possibly deliberately or at least Mac suspected that. And he resented James as a result, ready to pick at anything he did wrong.

Or maybe mac was violent towards Marnie and James started sticking up for his Mum, so he became the main target. Awful to say, but many women do allow that to happen, they let their son take the beating once they are 'old enough' so they don't have to. And we know Marnie is prepared to let her children suffer if it is of benefit to her.

It's interesting that David Easter's 3 main roles have all had the character turn out to be violent, including a history of hitting their wife even though both Pat and Mac appeared to be nice huys at first.
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Old 11-09-2016, 18:55
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I'd be very surprised if Nathan, Ellie or Alfie know. They are just too adoring towards Mac and somewhat ambivalent, dismissive or even scornful towards James and Marnie - or at least Nathan is.

I do also think there needs to be a reason for there being such a large age gap between James and Nathan - a large enough one for either the abuse to have stopped by the time Nathan became aware of family dynamics or James being old enough to have learnt to conceal it.

Sometimes a parent can be abusive (physically or sexually) to only one child, whilst leaving the others alone. Also, there is the fact that the eldest is the one parents make most mistakes with, including being too heavy handed discipline wise, for various reasons - including being younger themselves and not knowing how to parent. They learn by doing, so the younger children get an easier ride. Also, maybe Mac received counselling or similar after being convicted of football hooliganism to it stopped then, before Nathan was old enough to be affected.

Maybe James just wasn't the type of son he wanted/expected whereas Nathan was? That isn't just the sexuality, just things like being into, or good at Sports - that sort of thing.

I do think there could be something in the theory that Marnie 'trapped' Mac into marriage by falling pregnant - possibly deliberately or at least Mac suspected that. And he resented James as a result, ready to pick at anything he did wrong.

Or maybe mac was violent towards Marnie and James started sticking up for his Mum, so he became the main target. Awful to say, but many women do allow that to happen, they let their son take the beating once they are 'old enough' so they don't have to. And we know Marnie is prepared to let her children suffer if it is of benefit to her.

It's interesting that David Easter's 3 main roles have all had the character turn out to be violent, including a history of hitting their wife even though both Pat and Mac appeared to be nice huys at first.
It's even more interesting that he's done the same in real life
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Old 11-09-2016, 19:51
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I'd be very surprised if Nathan, Ellie or Alfie know. They are just too adoring towards Mac and somewhat ambivalent, dismissive or even scornful towards James and Marnie - or at least Nathan is.

I do also think there needs to be a reason for there being such a large age gap between James and Nathan - a large enough one for either the abuse to have stopped by the time Nathan became aware of family dynamics or James being old enough to have learnt to conceal it.

Sometimes a parent can be abusive (physically or sexually) to only one child, whilst leaving the others alone. Also, there is the fact that the eldest is the one parents make most mistakes with, including being too heavy handed discipline wise, for various reasons - including being younger themselves and not knowing how to parent. They learn by doing, so the younger children get an easier ride. Also, maybe Mac received counselling or similar after being convicted of football hooliganism to it stopped then, before Nathan was old enough to be [/b]

Maybe James just wasn't the type of son he wanted/expected whereas Nathan was? That isn't just the sexuality, just things like being into, or good at Sports - that sort of thing.

I do think there could be something in the theory that Marnie 'trapped' Mac into marriage by falling pregnant - possibly deliberately or at least Mac suspected that. And he resented James as a result, ready to pick at anything he did wrong.

Or maybe mac was violent towards Marnie and James started sticking up for his Mum, so he became the main target. Awful to say, but many women do allow that to happen, they let their son take the beating once they are 'old enough' so they don't have to. And we know Marnie is prepared to let her children suffer if it is of benefit to her.

It's interesting that David Easter's 3 main roles have all had the character turn out to be violent, including a history of hitting their wife even though both Pat and Mac appeared to be nice huys at first.
Interesting analysis. BIB, I remember Marnie saying something like this to James a few weeks back. I do think that's part of it and it certainly wouldn't surprise me if she took a blind eye to her golden boy taking a beating for her.
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Old 11-09-2016, 20:02
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It's even more interesting that he's done the same in real life
I know that Denise Welch has alleged that but didn't know it had ever been confirmed.

It is interesting that Easter is prepared to act it out, given his personal history.
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Old 11-09-2016, 20:05
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I know that Denise Welch has alleged that but didn't know it had ever been confirmed.

It is interesting that Easter is prepared to act it out, given his personal history.
What, who?? What are we talking about?? Who has done what in real life??
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Old 11-09-2016, 20:32
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What, who?? What are we talking about?? Who has done what in real life??
David Easter who plays Mac has a history of violence, domestic and otherwise.

Allegedly
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Old 11-09-2016, 20:41
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David Easter who plays Mac has a history of violence, domestic and otherwise.

Allegedly


....... too short
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Old 11-09-2016, 21:08
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Denise Welch (actress, Loose Woman, tabloid fodder) and David Easter who plays Mac were married in the 1980s and she has alleged that he was violent towards her but it has never been proved so purely an allegation.

He was also accused of rape by another woman a few years ago, and cleared of all charges.
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Old 11-09-2016, 21:19
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I've liked James since the beginning. He is an interesting character played by a good actor. Something that is rare on HO lately!
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Old 12-09-2016, 00:09
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Denise Welch (actress, Loose Woman, tabloid fodder) and David Easter who plays Mac were married in the 1980s and she has alleged that he was violent towards her but it has never been proved so purely an allegation.

He was also accused of rape by another woman a few years ago, and cleared of all charges.
Oh my God, seriously?!
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Old 12-09-2016, 00:17
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Oh my God, seriously?!
Yes, seriously. But again, they are only allegations so might well not be true.

I had a quick Google and couldn't fine an article about Welch's allegations so they might well have been on a Loose women as they do love to talk about their spouses and ex spouses on that show. There are a few articles on line where they both talk about how bad their marriage was though and the rape case comes up as well.

But again, must emphasis that he was cleared of those charges.
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Old 13-09-2016, 10:46
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Is Marnie mum to all of them, except Alfie? And is Mac dad to all of them? I love the Nightinglaes but get confused as to who had who!?
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Old 13-09-2016, 11:24
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Is Marnie mum to all of them, except Alfie? And is Mac dad to all of them? I love the Nightinglaes but get confused as to who had who!?
Unless something is revealed later, Mac is father to all the Nightingale siblings. He had James, Nathan and Ellie with Marnie, and then he fathered Alfie with Cindy (who he cheated on Marnie with).
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Old 13-09-2016, 12:13
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Unless something is revealed later, Mac is father to all the Nightingale siblings. He had James, Nathan and Ellie with Marnie, and then he fathered Alfie with Cindy (who he cheated on Marnie with).
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:37
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Does Marnie know about Mac beating James? she told Neeta about his temper but I can't see Marnie being ok with this given how close her and James are, if she knew I doubt she'd be chasing after him like this.
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Old 13-09-2016, 13:41
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My guess is that James as a young boy accidentally caused some sort of tragedy, and Mac has hated him since then. Mac said to him "all you ever did in your life is wreck things" before beating him up.

I can't see any other explanation...
I like that theory.

I'm definitely looking forward to the upcoming scenes with James and Mac as well.
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