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Yeah Flash525 I have since read about the link between Diggle son and Legends Of Tomorrow which is good to see Flashpoint having effects across Arrowverse!
I thought it Harrison Wells rather than Dr Alchemy because it looked like he was wearing a cap rather than hood Although after watching next week preview I might be wrong! |
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I assumed it was Malfoy watching in the cap
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Which would only be probable if Malfoy was Alchemy (who knew where the Rival would be, and what he'd be doing) otherwise Malfoy being there is a little too much of a coincidence.
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Did anyone else notice the person watching Flash throw The Rival over the edge at the docks whilst they were fighting? I thought it looked like it was Harrison Wells from this new timeline!
![]() I can't wait for him to come back, he's my fave after Barry and, speaking off, Grant Gustin is as bloody perfect in this role as Melissa Benoist and Tyler Hoechlin have been over on Supergirl. He is Barry Allen, he just perfectly portrays the "pudding" that everyone likes as Felicity said. It's the lovely difference between Flash's world in Central City and Oliver's more harsher reality over in Star City. Barry has hope, Oliver's mostly lost it and so when Barry makes a mistake, he can't live with it and tries to fix it where Oliver just takes the guilt and broods! So far I've thought The Flash has had a really great return, a vast improvement on Season Two's intro episodes and a return more to the flavour of the original Season One where everything's slightly off kilter. Loved the way they addressed everything going wrong by having Barry run to talk to Felicity and then spot the little changes which had happened to their timeline too. His shock at realising it wasn't just his life as The Flash but the whole of Earth-1 which had been affected was well done. Loved seeing John Wesley Shipp, he's just a class act full stop and now we're getting a more comic book like portrayal of the relationship between Jay Garrick and Barry Allen when he warns him about the timeline never being able to be "fixed" as it was. Loved Tom Felton as Julian, is he going to be a red herring, is he going to be Dr Alchemy (please no, way too obvious), is he just going to be an annoying English CSI ![]() And, as Mike Cecchini said over on Den of Geek, who else was waiting for something horrible to happen just after Barry and Iris kissed?! Quote:
It actually isn't though. Time Travel is an element of Flash, but it isn't what Flash is about. There's only a few significant time travel stories in the comics (as far as I'm aware). Everything else he comes up against he just deals with via his speed.
Back to this week's episode though, there's been a variety of Doctor Alchemy characters in The Flash history so it's going to be cool to see which version they're going on the live action or whether they're creating a new one. Interestingly one of the producers said in a TVLine interview: Quote:
Although Barry thus has his superhero work cut out for him, don’t expect the show to get gloomy again. As the result of a sinister threat and frequent bouts of doubt and angst, Season 2’s “last 5 [or] 6 episodes were pretty dark,” Todd Helbing admits. “Zoom, in general, was dark. It even got darker than we probably anticipated. So we’re making a conscious effort to go back more toward the tone of Season 1.”
Also loved the Easter Eggs, Dawson's Creek on the TV and Soul Asylum - Runaway Train playing in the diner.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runawa...ul_Asylum_song) |
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Its a wonder Barry doesn't make himself dizzy constantly shaking his head when he speaks.
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bobblehead barry
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Even though it was a good episode it highlighted one of the problems I have with the show. Whenever a non-speedster villain creates a distraction for Barry he solves it super quick, but when he turns around somehow the villain has managed to run away, and he just stands looking perplexed.
A) With the speed in which he does things he would turn around to see them either starting to run away or just after starting. B) They will be so slow compared to him he literally just has to speedily look for them and boom, villain caught. |
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Bleh, I'm done with this show. I've only watched the first 2 episodes so far, but it's reaching Arrow level stupidity, and the way the writers just continue to throw Barry's character under the bus is a little disturbing. He's just become such a weak, selfish, whiny brat with a moral compass that's seriously out of whack, I half expect a presidential run in his near future. The way he locked up Reverse Flash was even worse than the illegal mini-Guantanamo they used to run at Star Labs, and nobody seems the least bit bothered about the fact that he straight-up erased Diggle's daughter from reality!?
But never mind what a douche Barry has become, the time travel nonsense has really highlighted how little the writers care about or understand their own plot. They just randomly apply arbitrary, nonsensical rules to the concept of time travel, and it wasn't explained at all how Barry supposedly losing his memories of the other timeline was in any way a real problem, or why this has apparently never happened before to himself or the other speedsters who have gone back and changed the past. Unless it happened during an Iris scene, I tend to just skip past those. Although I did catch the one where she proved that the memory loss can apparently be reversed with the usual Berlanti-esque motivational "hope" speech, so maybe Barry jumped the gun a little bit by going straight to "yeah, I'm gonna need you to kill my mom again", rather than looking at other options first. |
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What was he supposed to do, let reverse flash run free and ruin things for him?
Plus, only he and Felicity know Diggle had a daughter, it was just a change that couldn't be helped. |
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Well the time lines are definitely only affected on the Earth they are created on. Although we have yet to discover if our Flash changes time on another earth does that only affect that earth?
BTW I'm really not feeling the chemistry between Iris and Barry. |
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Good to see Tom Cavanagh back in play!
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Harrison Wells and Jessie being back paid dividends for this show, plus it was great that they were from the Season 2 timeline still so knew how badly Barry had messed with the timeline, loved Wells giving Barry a dressing down.
Plus it's great to see Jessie finally get her powers and her costume, would hope she sticks around for a bit but I get this feeling she's going to disappear a couple of episodes from now to protect Earth 2 instead. Also it's becoming increasingly clear that Wally is being set up to meet up with Alchemy to get his speed powers, meaning we'll have Barry, Jessie and Wally as a speed team soon? But whether Alchemy would want something from Wally in return or not is the real question, especially keeping in mind the other major villain this season. But jesus, the Barry/Iris stuff is so boring now. It just feels like total filler at this point and is just playing out the exact same beats we've seen being played out multiple times before on this show. |
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What was he supposed to do, let reverse flash run free and ruin things for him?
Plus, only he and Felicity know Diggle had a daughter, it was just a change that couldn't be helped. No wonder the ratings for this show are nose diving. |
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The characters in this show seem to be as weak and pathetic as the writers want them to be, week-to-week. Barry, now about as likeable as season 8 dexter, caved in to having his mom killed again in no time, now wally is crying about not having super powers (as someone called alchemy is going about giving people powers), awful, make him a speedster, he's still a whiny idiot, they don't seem to care about reducing the characters to infants in order to 'make the plot work'...and more Barry/Iris 'romance' with less chemistry than table salt. Awful.
Watching the girl...magenta or whatever colour play on magneto her name was, it was awkwardly obvious I was watching someone whose superpower was waggling their arms back and forth, oooooooh. The only reason I'd have to watch next weeks episode is in case I miss something good, not because I expect to see something worth watching. |
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Harrison Wells and Jessie being back paid dividends for this show, plus it was great that they were from the Season 2 timeline still so knew how badly Barry had messed with the timeline, loved Wells giving Barry a dressing down.
Eobard didn't kill him (had no reason too), and we know that Earth 1 Wells would have been the one to set up STAR labs. This is unless (somehow) it was a duplicate Eobard that was killed by Barry, and all the events of Season 1 did somehow happen. Barry allowed Eobard to kill his mom (Season 3), which merely allowed Eobard to stop Barry from stopping himself, but the events still played out the same for (an) Eobard from that specific point. Not yet explained, obviously... Quote:
Plus it's great to see Jessie finally get her powers and her costume, would hope she sticks around for a bit but I get this feeling she's going to disappear a couple of episodes from now to protect Earth 2 instead.
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But jesus, the Barry/Iris stuff is so boring now. It just feels like total filler at this point and is just playing out the exact same beats we've seen being played out multiple times before on this show.
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So the lives of toddlers are just collateral damage for Barry's happiness. Got it.
No wonder the ratings for this show are nose diving. |
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I'm beginning to think you are trolling now because a toddlers life wasn't thrown away, it didn't exist in the new timeline because they had a son earlier instead.
So, you can think I'm trolling, if you like, but the simple fact of the matter is that this show has dropped to Arrow level stupidity. It seems the Berlanti shows can only just about muster a season or two, before the wheels come off. |
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I'm sorry but it is completely irrelevant. The only person who knew about the girl was Barry himself, it literally affected no-one and really shouldn't be a huge issue.
I can't believe you are bringing up roofie-raping someone as a comparison, you're a contemptible human being. The two things have absolutely nothing in common at all, in one as person is actually violated in a very heinous way, remember it or not they will still feel it. Diggle not having a daughter merely means she never existed, no-one feels it and no-one will be scarred for life by it. I'm done with you now, I hope the mods see your post and ban you for even comparing the two. |
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I can't believe you are bringing up roofie-raping someone as a comparison, you're a contemptible human being. The two things have absolutely nothing in common at all, in one as person is actually violated in a very heinous way.
The show even acknowledged it to a degree with Barry's own reaction, when he realized what he had done. But they failed to follow through on it, just like they did with Reverse Flash's very accurate "Who's the villain now!?" outburst. It's pretty clear that Barry falls a long way short of what can be considered a hero now. But hopefully it's something they will actually explore at some point. Barry's new lab partner certainly had some similar misgivings about his nice-guy facade. |
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Whether the person remembers it or not, erasing someone's daughter from reality is a pretty serious violation, no matter how you try to spin it. Keep in mind, the whole reason Barry agreed to let Reverse Flash kill his mom again, was because of how horrifying it was to him to lose his memories of his friends, family, etc, from the other timeline. And then he goes and does the exact same thing to Diggle, and somehow you don't think that's a violation? That it isn't a big deal?
The show even acknowledged it to a degree with Barry's own reaction, when he realized what he had done. But they failed to follow through on it, just like they did with Reverse Flash's very accurate "Who's the villain now!?" outburst. It's pretty clear that Barry falls a long way short of what can be considered a hero now. But hopefully it's something they will actually explore at some point. Barry's new lab partner certainly had some similar misgivings about his nice-guy facade. |
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Stop acting like he did it on purpose to Diggle, it was a damn accident.
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So the lives of toddlers are just collateral damage for Barry's happiness. Got it.
No wonder the ratings for this show are nose diving. |
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Ease up guys, this is just a fictional tv series, remember?
not_the_doctor; I can relate to everything you're saying, and you'll get no argument from me that the writing for Flash (and Arrow to some degree) is lacking, especially their concept of temporal mechanics. I think (when watching Flash or Legends) that we need to overlook these things and just (try to) enjoy what we can make sense of. Barry is no more guilty of the non-existence of a child than Eobard, Jay, Vandal Savage, Damien Darkh, Rip Hunter, or any of the Legends team. The moment someone changes one small element in time, there's going to be a child that isn't born. I don't see why you're singling Barry out here, he's hardly alone. The time masters themselves (Legends, Season 1) are probably the biggest culprits. In Flash, Barry does intend to go back and fix it all again - until Jay stops him, explaining that he can't keep modifying the timeline. No doubt this wont be the last time the timeline is changed either. |
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Well I'm completely bored of it now. It feels like they're going through the motions and I can't help but feel the drop in quality is massive. Bit sad, really. But because things keep changing, it feels - to me - like there's no established setting or characters.
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