DS Forums

 
 

The Flash Season Three (US Pace spoilers tagged)


Reply
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 23-11-2016, 14:28
Dog_Bot
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 151
Well that was a load of shite if I'm honest. Alchemy's identity reveal was just stupid (because of who it is, and the blatantly obvious clues that have led to this). I'm not quite liking Savitar either; would be nice to find out where he's been hiding during Season 1 and 2, and where he's from (we know the future, but that's about it).

I'm also getting the feeling that Savitar isn't human; when he's speaking to Barry, or Alchemy (I can't remember who it was now) his mouth moves and shows teeth, either built into the suit, or under it; those teeth don't look remotely human, and the size of Savitar would imply there's something inhuman underneath the armour. Credit to the special effects I suppose, but that's about it. Barry (and now Wally) are going to have their work cut out for them if they ever want to beat Savitar.

And Caitlyn; that was a poor show all round. She goes evil, then suddenly can control herself when she finds her emotion again? So what, she has a darkness in her that could take over any minute? I'm confused why her powers (seemingly) make her evil; no other meta (that I know of) has a split personality due to their powers.

Not impressed with this episode at all if I'm honest, and Julian is a prick for what he did to Barry, a hypocritical prick too, considering.

But does Julian know he is Alchemy?

I'm also wondering if Alchemy is actually the glowing stone & just takes over a host body when needed.

Last episode it seemed to be talking directly to Wally & then cocooned him while Alchemy was on the floor.
Dog_Bot is offline   Reply With Quote
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 23-11-2016, 15:53
Flash525
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Gloucestershire, England
Posts: 4,798
But does Julian know he is Alchemy?
Well he knows where the costume is, so I'd say yeah!
Flash525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 00:10
James Frederick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 37,002
Well he knows where the costume is, so I'd say yeah!
Alchemy may have already took over by then.

I think Savitar is human but is half trapped in the speed force hence why it looks like tunnels when he runs.

In the comics some Speedforce uses can manifest a costume so I think that is what this is just how he wants it to look.
James Frederick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 00:26
Motthus
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 6,822
I actually really liked this episode as it was good to see Caitlin as Killer Frost but it was a pity that they returned her to being Caitlin by the end of the episode.However I get the feeling that this was just a tease of Caitlin abilities and what she will become which I think we will see more of it later in the season!

I just wonder if we will get Cisco also turning to the dark side and becoming Vibe after now knowing that it's due to Barry doing Flashpoint that his brother is dead!

It was no surprise to see that Julian was revealed as Alchemy as I think most viewers had already guessed that by this point but at least they didn't drag it out

Savitar to me just looked like a reject from a Transformers film but I still enjoyed him dragging Barry all around the city at the start of the episode.I just hope he isn't the main villain as I can't take him seriously despite being a speedster

I liked the fact that they kept Wally in the cocoon for most of the episode but that's mainly because I'm not fond of the character!

It seems after this event filled episode that Team Flash is fragile going into the 4 part crossover event although they will properly not even mention the events of this episode in the crossover episode!

Overall though a very enjoyable episode that moves the Flashpoint storyline along greatly!
Motthus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 00:57
James Frederick
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 37,002

I just wonder if we will get Cisco also turning to the dark side and becoming Vibe after now knowing that it's due to Barry doing Flashpoint that his brother is dead!
That could be the twist Cisco Vibed and saw "Killer Frost" vs "Vibe" and assumed she was the villian what if he was the villian and her the hero.
James Frederick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 14:29
Flash525
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Gloucestershire, England
Posts: 4,798
It seems after this event filled episode that Team Flash is fragile going into the 4 part crossover event although they will properly not even mention the events of this episode in the crossover episode!
I think you're right. I've seen numerous trailers for the crossover, and not one of them has shown Wally as Kid Flash. I don't think I've seen Caitlyn in any of them either, nor Ragman (from Arrow).

Also, if the current rumours are right, about the crossover starting at the end of Supergirl, then it's not really a four part episode, it's more like three, and a bit. They should have Barry and Cisco being Kara to Earth 1 at the beginning of the Supergirl episode, not the friggin' end.

Also, an alien invasion, and they don't think a couple more speedsters (Jessie & Jay) could be useful aids?
Flash525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-11-2016, 18:06
JedHawk
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 339
I get where everyone's coming from by attesting to various frustrations at the episode, so I don't mind you guys having those views.

I did think the acting of Caitlin, Cisco, HR, Julian and to sone extent Barry was excellent this week. I really felt for the characters and I myself enjoyed many of the scenes.

Is it safe to assume that we've now seen Cisco's vibe of him and KF fighting? It doesn't have to match exactly, right?
But then, I am feeling that Cisco is leaning "to the dark side". Oh, come on, you know that's how he would have worded it!
JedHawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2016, 03:59
koantemplation
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Wolf359
Posts: 96,740
I'm two episodes behind but why have they Jar Jar Bink'd up HR?

Yes the series needed an injection of humour but not like that.
koantemplation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-11-2016, 19:37
Cadiva
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: In sunny (hah!) Yorkshire
Posts: 13,940
Finally caught up with last week's episode. Yeah, that was a bit all over the place - superb acting chops notwithstanding from various cast members.

I'm so disappointed they made Julian Alchemy. It's just ridiculously obvious and cliched and trite. There better be some bloody twist to it otherwise, utter crap.

The best thing about this episode was showing Team Flash fracturing. They're clearly going for the "break them down before building them back up" overall narrative this year but sitting it on top of Doctor Alchemy/Savitar.

I seriously can't get with Savitar, the design is dreadful, he looks like he stepped off the Transformers set and had a run in with a Predacon.

Anyways, we finally get Barry called out on Flashpoint and its effects but, being fair, every one of them said they didn't want to know about their past lives and what was different and Barry admitted from the start he was the one responsible for the timeline changing.

So instead of being punished for that, Julian's able to enact a punishment by forcing him out of his lab in return for his silence.

I didn't think there was anything in particular which was outstanding enough to make this obviously a Kevin Smith episode. Iit didn't have any particular quirky nature or something out of the norm but I guess that's perhaps expected, after all not everything can include Silent Bob!

Although, actually, having said the above, he very definitely got the emotional core of the episode right and that is one of his main strengths as a director so I take it back, emotionally it was very Kevin Smith!

One thing to take away though was the different version of Killer Frost that Danielle Panabaker created in this episode, she wasn't hammy or camp like on Earth 2, she was heart of heart, cold and twisted inside. Describing herself as broken was so apt.
Cadiva is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 11:25
Eve Elle
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: The House of Elle
Posts: 5,396
Hmm, guess all I can really say without going into spoilers is that I very much enjoyed the crossover episode.
Eve Elle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 12:15
zwixxx
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,464
^ ditto...... how awesome was that ?! :0MGthatwassoawesome:

Spoiler


and yes I know we don't need to use spoiler tags in this thread but fooey

just one thing

Spoiler


btw

Spoiler
zwixxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 14:16
zwixxx
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,464
Did no one else watch it ? Or did yawl faint due to its awesomeness.
zwixxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 16:15
Karis
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 6,299
Did no one else watch it ? Or did yawl faint due to its awesomeness.
Meh. I was left decidedly uninspired. All I could think was
Spoiler


And that the writers were probably felating each other over such a genius and action-packed storyline...

It's not awful and it's nowhere near as bad as Batman v Superman so it's still a massive +1.
Karis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 16:30
stvn758
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 17,332
That's one heck of a crossover episode.
stvn758 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 17:22
margarite6666
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,854
Meh. I was left decidedly uninspired. All I could think was
Spoiler


And that the writers were probably felating each other over such a genius and action-packed storyline...

It's not awful and it's nowhere near as bad as Batman v Superman so it's still a massive +1.
I didn't like it because the script was so trite. Since deadpool especially I get the feeling the 'funny' one liners are all the rage. I don't watch any of these shows but thought I would watch the crossovers. What I hated about the Flash bunch are the women especially Iris. She is young but acts like a drill sergeant and CEO. She also is planned up to the nines and wears high heels. It reminds me of Tippi Hedren in the Birds with pencil skirt, handbag and high heels; totally inappropriate for running. What does Iris do but spout supposed pearls of wisdom to characters. It is salad that it is 2016 and women are still portrayed as beauty and appearance first. Barry is a beanpole and is not glammerised up for the girls. The other males don't have flattering suits to show muscles. By the way I did fast forward so might have missed a mention; where is Superman?
margarite6666 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 19:08
ShotDownInFlame
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Kingston Upon Thames
Posts: 1,863
I didn't much care for it tbh.

Sure, there was lots of "WOW THEY ACTUALLY GOT THESE 4 SHOWS TOGETHER" novelty factor a la Avengers but when you step back it really wasn't anything to write home about.

- This was effectively the Oliver and Barry show this week, ft. Cisco the Dick (quickly becoming my most hated character, what are they doing with him?!) and West Family Drama (because we haven't seen enough of that amirite?)

- Supergirl was adorable and was generally handled great but that fight between her and The Flash could have been a lot better than "Catch Me If You Can"

- Why the hell was everyone so pissed at Barry?! The only person who has a right to complain to Barry about his time meddling is Caitlyn, who - ironically - was one of 6 people NOT giving Barry hell. Why is Cisco still such a prick about it? And why did Dig get so annoyed when he still has a son? And the Legends? What the hell was their reasoning?

- So the Legends of Tomorrow did *literally nothing* except get their butts handed to them and lecture Barry about messing with the timeline - which, is clearly ridiculous given they change the timeline in some way every episode.

- Speaking of the Legends, last episode of LoT we got a sweet tease of Captain Steels new suit, but fast forward to this week and...? "SORRY NEW PEOPLE GOT LEFT BEHIND ON THE SHIP" WHAT?! WHY?? If there are aliens surely you'd want to use every person available...

- While it was cool that we got confirmation that Stein effectively created his own daughter by messing with his own timeline, I feel like that should have been saved for LOT as it was totally glossed over here "Oh hello I'm looking for my wife... OH YOU'RE MY DAUGHTER COOL GOTTA GO"

- Felicity continues to make me cringe: "Best. Team up. Ever." I bet the writers were very proud of themselves...
ShotDownInFlame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 19:51
not_the_doctor
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,314
Meh, that was pretty under-whelming, even compared to last year's mediocre crossover. Supergirl was the only real bright spot. She's just do adorable. Interesting to see how she suddenly seems more powerful on Earth 1. Any one of those shots she took during the training session would surely have sent her crashing through styrofoam concrete on her own world It seemed like it was more of a target practice session than actual training, though. And ironically, it didn't seem to pay off, as Diggle, Canaray and Speedy still couldn't hit Oliver running in a straight line with Wally on his back. And then they were nice enough to stop shooting when they actually got within range. Sharp writing.

So is this two crossovers in a row, where Oliver and Diggle would have been killed by one of their villains, if Wally hadn't raced in and pulled them out? I guess that guy had better aim than Diggle, Canary and Speedy. Maybe they should have recruited him.

The Hall of Justice was kinda neat, even if the visuals took a bit of a dive, once we saw it from the back.

Cisco just seems to take every possible opportunity to be a whiny little <beeep>, and decides an alien invasion is the right time to sow distrust among the team. Good call. He's becoming almost as annoying as Wally.

Speaking of Wally, not that I in any way want to see more of him, but I don't quite follow the logic that he isn't ready, yet nobody has any issues with Barry, the dumbest man alive, constantly making a mess of things, when pretending to be a hero.

Overall, the whole thing was just kind of a sloppy mess with a few so-so action sequences thrown in. And it felt like there were too many useless, unnecessary characters. I actually think it would have been a cool twist for them to bring along Team Cadmus from Supergirl's world. Those guys really don't like aliens, and it would have made for a more interesting team dynamic.

I didn't like it because the script was so trite. Since deadpool especially I get the feeling the 'funny' one liners are all the rage.
Nah, annoyingly quippy characters go at least as far back as Joss Whedon's TV stuff.
not_the_doctor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 20:23
Nihonga
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,520
Hmmm, you guys are really not selling me this crossover at all, lol.

I'm already a bit meh with the Flash this season - the humour saves it sometimes . As for Arrow, jeeeeez loouisee .....

Supergirl and LoT were a non-starter for me from the get-go. But I was willing to endure their crossover episodes if the crossover was any good. Sounds like I shouldn't bother.
Nihonga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 20:30
ShotDownInFlame
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Kingston Upon Thames
Posts: 1,863
Hmmm, you guys are really not selling me this crossover at all, lol.

I'm already a bit meh with the Flash this season - the humour saves it sometimes . As for Arrow, jeeeeez loouisee .....

Supergirl and LoT were a non-starter for me from the get-go. But I was willing to endure their crossover episodes if the crossover was any good. Sounds like I shouldn't bother.
The only thing I would try to sell you on is LoT Season 2, I can totally get why people wouldn't be keen on Season 1 (too much emphasis on the terrible storyline with Vandal Savage and the Hawks) but that is totally gotten rid of in Season 2 which is just straight up great fun like The Flash Season 1.
ShotDownInFlame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 20:45
Andrew_Ballard
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 727
cisco the disco.
Andrew_Ballard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 21:27
Nihonga
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 4,520
The only thing I would try to sell you on is LoT Season 2, I can totally get why people wouldn't be keen on Season 1 (too much emphasis on the terrible storyline with Vandal Savage and the Hawks) but that is totally gotten rid of in Season 2 which is just straight up great fun like The Flash Season 1.
Thanks, Shot

Do I need to see LoT's season 1 to understand what is going on in season 2? Or should I just wiki read their season 1 episodes and leave it at that? I'll give it go. Also, is Supergirl's season 2 better than season 1? I couldn't watch passed its season 1 premier unfortunately - it was just too awful. And going by the Supergirl US thread, it doesn't sound like I missed much on that season either.

Man alive, how I miss what we had in Flash's season 1 and Arrow's seasons 1-2.
Nihonga is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 22:05
not_the_doctor
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,314
Also, is Supergirl's season 2 better than season 1? I couldn't watch passed its season 1 premier unfortunately - it was just too awful. And going by the Supergirl US thread, it doesn't sound like I missed much on that season either.
Although they have made some improvements in season 2, if you thought season 1 was too awful to even watch, I doubt it's enough to really win you over.
not_the_doctor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 30-11-2016, 22:06
ShotDownInFlame
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Kingston Upon Thames
Posts: 1,863
Thanks, Shot

Do I need to see LoT's season 1 to understand what is going on in season 2? Or should I just wiki read their season 1 episodes and leave it at that? I'll give it go. Also, is Supergirl's season 2 better than season 1? I couldn't watch passed its season 1 premier unfortunately - it was just too awful. And going by the Supergirl US thread, it doesn't sound like I missed much on that season either.

Man alive, how I miss what we had in Flash's season 1 and Arrow's seasons 1-2.
If I recall correctly, LoT gives you a season 1 recap right at the start of Season 2 episode 1, but if not the only thing you would need to know from Legends of Tomorrow Season 1 is that
Spoiler


But yeah I feel now that the show knows how to have fun and just mess around with all the characters without being bogged down by a single character or storyline it's a much more enjoyable affair.

As for Supergirl, I'm not sure as I don't watch it, but I've heard the general consensus is that it's gotten much better since it moved to the CW for Season 2, I may have to check it out now as I thought she was one of the few bright spots of this crossover episode.
ShotDownInFlame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2016, 00:06
F1etch
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Scotland
Posts: 4,059
Not much so far for being half way through this event.
Supergirl was just a normal episode with a 60 second teaser tacked on the end that wasn't even needed as they showed the scene again on the flash
Flash was a big intro wit them fighting themselves.

As for the whole wally story. Give me strength. The story is crap, the character is crap and the actor is crap. Could really do without him. He spent the season so far whining about not having powers and once he gets them he whines about not being able to use them and how very dare his family not want him rushing head first into an alien invasion. At least barry started off with bank robbers and even he still makes mistakes so imagine what a newbie will do. Just hope that Alchemy makes flashpoint a reality and kills him off at the end of the season for this years death (S1.Eddie, S2.daddy, S3.wally)
F1etch is offline Follow this poster on Twitter   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2016, 00:33
zwixxx
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 6,464
re: Wally

way 1 - hey there wally, yes you've got a power but you need to learn how to use it otherwise you risk jumping in half cocked and making matters worse and possibly getting someone killed. Lets try simple things and work up to biggie stuff. <- the right way

way2 - no wally, no.... just NO, NO NONONONONONONONONONONONO, don't use them at all, ever, no nonononononononononononononononono. NO. You're gonna die if you use them. NO!!!!!! <- the tv show way.

(ish)
zwixxx is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 22:19.