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Old 07-12-2016, 22:34
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The conversation he had with them can also be interpreted 2 ways if you remove the comma's :

"I am the future, Flash." - "I am the future Flash."

"You did this to me. You trapped me in eternity, your future self, you did this to me, Barry." - "You did this to me. You trapped me in eternity your future self you did this to me Barry."
I agree with this entirely. It's clever word play which honestly I wouldn't have picked up on but the delivery was almost made as though it were meant to be interpreted both ways.
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Old 07-12-2016, 22:38
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I think there's a lot of straw clutching here.....

Didn't some people speculate that Zoom was a version of Barry at some point too? Savitar will be Savitar, not Barry. Savitar is a character that exists in the comics, similarly to Flash, Kid Flash, Reverse Flash, Zoom (though his entire attire and backstory were changed(?)), Jay Garrick, the Rival and now Savitar.

Edit: Speaking of the Rival, surely that's not the last we've seen of him? Seems incredibly lame if that's it; so much potential wasted, in addition to an awful suit. Savitar killed him because he (the Rival) failed to kill Barry, yet Barry only got the attention of Savitar because he was deemed worthy(?). I'm not quite understanding why Savitar would have allowed the Rival to make an attempt on Barry's life, when it is Savitar that wants to fight and defeat him. Seemingly a wasted character in the Rival if you ask me.
The Arrowverse in general uses the comic characters and stories loosely so I think it could stand to reason that even though Savitar is obviously his own thing in the comics, he might be adapted a bit in the show. Just how like I think the real shred of possibility that Barry = Savitar stems from the "Out Of Time" Flash comic storyline which I beleive the show is loosely adapting, because so many of the early elements of that storyline have now been played out in the show.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:25
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In the comics speed force users can create Speed Force costumes so Saviour's Megatron suit may just be the Speed Force.
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Old 08-12-2016, 00:28
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I liked The Trickster and the way they allowed Hamill get to play the closet thing he could to a live action Joker (He was The Joker in all but name the look and the way he talked and acted)
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:25
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I don't think they mentioned it is Christmas enough times.
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Old 08-12-2016, 01:39
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I wonder if Supergirl could see Savitar?
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:53
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I don't think they mentioned it is Christmas enough times.
It was a christmas themed episode? Can't say I noticed tbh.
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Old 08-12-2016, 07:54
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I wonder if Supergirl could see Savitar?
She's not a speedster, she wouldn't.
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Old 08-12-2016, 09:29
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Loved Mark Hamill's Joker/Trickster cameo. That and drunk H.R. at Joe's party were the highlights of the episode for me.
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Old 08-12-2016, 12:17
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Episode 9 was fantastic.
I wish I could tell the cast in person.

I am of the opinion that Caitlin will be the one to suffer a fate worse than death. Perhaps she becomes uncontrollably cold even if not a killer. After all, she did use her powers to make it snow. Caitlin Snow. And she was warned that the more she uses her abilities the worse her condition will get.
She keeps using them, though...
She froze Savitar in episode 7.
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Old 09-12-2016, 00:56
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I'm going with Wally being killed off for being a whiny brat.
Iris blames Barry and betrays him, probably emotionally rather than handing him over to Savitar. This would also explain why she isn't writing the article as they no longer talk (she'll live so that's a red herring)
As for the fate worse than death...had to be Caitlin succumbing to her powers and turning into killer frost. For her that would be worse than death.

Hell it may even be her (Caitlin) to kill wally after she uses her powers to help barry, it throws her over the edge and as killer frost this results in Wallys death and iris blames barry for it as Caitlin turned because she helped him originally. She then dumps Barry and begins dating Julian. Never marries him and never writes the article.The ultimate betrayal and it's all full circle. Season ends with Barry going back in time to stop the Tsunami and get back with Iris who just found out he was the Flash thus creating another paradox that threatens time and another reason to bring Tom Back as evil Wells from S1.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:39
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Savitar with all his speed has Barry and Jay down then decides to move slow. He is like a terminator all he does is throw people around rather than kill them, except for Iris who poses no threat.
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Old 09-12-2016, 14:44
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Savitar with all his speed has Barry and Jay down then decides to move slow. He is like a terminator all he does is throw people around rather than kill them, except for Iris who poses no threat.
It's notvthatvdhe's a threat killing Iris is the way to hurt Barry the most especially as he had to watch and could do nothing about it.
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Old 09-12-2016, 20:39
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It's notvthatvdhe's a threat killing Iris is the way to hurt Barry the most especially as he had to watch and could do nothing about it.
If it is Savitar's intention to hurt Barry, rather than kill him, why did he have the Rival make an attempt on his life for?
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Old 10-12-2016, 04:43
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If it is Savitar's intention to hurt Barry, rather than kill him, why did he have the Rival make an attempt on his life for?
Maybe he knew a recently-created Speedster was no match for a seasoned Flash? Though, I don't get what is with all the testing and games, Savitor seems to be able to kill Barry whenever he wants (just like every other Speedstr, because they're all more powerful than him).
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Old 10-12-2016, 16:28
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Just had a bit of a brainwave

From this episode we know that Savitar first encountered Barry in his (Savitar's future) & was then trapped in "eternity" by Barry.

We also saw Barry jump forward 5 months & see Savitar killing Iris.

What if the Savitar we saw 5 month's from now is from before this happen's. His killing Iris is what cause's Barry to trap him in "eternity".
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Old 11-12-2016, 18:15
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Just had a bit of a brainwave

From this episode we know that Savitar first encountered Barry in his (Savitar's future) & was then trapped in "eternity" by Barry.

We also saw Barry jump forward 5 months & see Savitar killing Iris.

What if the Savitar we saw 5 month's from now is from before this happen's. His killing Iris is what cause's Barry to trap him in "eternity".
It's all possible, but I suspect when Savitar was talking about the future, he actually meant the far future, rather than just five months ahead. Undoubtedly whatever Barry & Jay thought they did by tossing that box into the speedforce isn't quite going to work out.
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Old 11-12-2016, 22:41
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I'm wondering if Savitar is really just using the future "death" of Iris to manipulate Barry in some way? Savitar obviously knew what Barry was going to do by throwing the stone into the speed force. That's as close to invincible as you can get...knowing your adversary's every move before they do.


Episode 9 was fantastic.
I wish I could tell the cast in person.

I am of the opinion that Caitlin will be the one to suffer a fate worse than death. Perhaps she becomes uncontrollably cold even if not a killer. After all, she did use her powers to make it snow. Caitlin Snow. And she was warned that the more she uses her abilities the worse her condition will get.
She keeps using them, though...
She froze Savitar in episode 7.
Maybe Caitlin is the one who betrays the team. But not as Killer Frost but rather herself. Then perhaps after she is marginalised or outright shunned from the team this will then propel her into becoming Killer Frost permanently. If so, I hope she is more like the version we saw a few episodes ago rather than the panto-version we saw on Earth 2 last year. The Earth 2 version was all cheeky one liners and Dastardly Whiplash school of villainy. This season's KF was more authentic and damaged. Frostie even managed to touch on some things that needed to be said, not quite "home truths" but not wholly off the mark either.
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Old 11-12-2016, 22:45
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I think it could be Joe who betrays them.

Just because he's the last person you would think of and the others have already hinted towards it.

Maybe he does it to get Iris back after she dies?
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Old 11-12-2016, 23:04
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Maybe he does it to get Iris back after she dies?
Joe would need to have Wally do it (time travel) for him in which case two people would betray the team. Maybe Barry confides in him about what he saw then Joe does something really foolish to prevent her death? Of course he could go the Arrow Lazarus Pit route (ugh... if so)....insipid rehash/crossover ahoy!
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Old 11-12-2016, 23:43
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Joe would need to have Wally do it (time travel) for him in which case two people would betray the team. Maybe Barry confides in him about what he saw then Joe does something really foolish to prevent her death? Of course he could go the Arrow Lazarus Pit route (ugh... if so)....insipid rehash/crossover ahoy!
Savitar could tell him he could go back and stop himself from killing her.

Maybe he even knows of a Meta who can bring the dead back (Maybe having to sacrifice someone else to do it)
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