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Old 20-08-2016, 00:38
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What did everyone think of tonight's showing?

Gripping throughout but a very slow 'quiet' feel.

The voiceover was powerful

Loved the women talking about their inner fears and blaming of themselves..
Ronnie actually gave me reason to feel for her again. It's not usually very easy

The unsatisfying outcome was genuinely a shock but in a way.. Sort of a conclusive ending. It's not always the satisfying conclusion in life.. And despite which, you can still build your life again regardless of the result. That, if anything, was the most powerful message of all
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Old 20-08-2016, 00:42
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What did everyone think of tonight's showing?

Gripping throughout but a very slow 'quiet' feel.

The voiceover was powerful

Loved the women talking about their inner fears and blaming of themselves..
Ronnie actually gave me reason to feel for her again. It's not usually very easy

The unsatisfying outcome was genuinely a shock but in a way.. Sort of a conclusive ending. It's not always the satisfying conclusion in life.. And despite which, you can still build your life again regardless of the result. That, if anything, was the most powerful message of all

I agree with everything your saying here! It was a powerful episode, instead of focusing on a dramatic trail they focused instead on the emotion of the women who had been victims of sexual abuse. A delicate subject matter but handled well by EE.
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Old 20-08-2016, 01:10
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I agree with everything your saying here! It was a powerful episode, instead of focusing on a dramatic trail they focused instead on the emotion of the women who had been victims of sexual abuse. A delicate subject matter but handled well by EE.
You're right. It was at first a questionable decision not to show the trial.

Watching it tonight just showed it was absolutely the right decision
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Old 20-08-2016, 01:11
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A very good episode.
The table scenes were wonderful.
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Old 20-08-2016, 01:13
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It's a horrible topic, but I found it quite interesting hearing each of them talking about it open and honestly. The storyline may have had its flaws in many places and seemed to have gone on for ages, but I think it's great how it's brought Linda, Shirley, Ronnie and Roxy all together. I hope this isn't the last of their scenes together. It just shows that this is all you need in a soap to make it gripping, great acting tied with clever writing. No stunts or dramatics needed.
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Old 20-08-2016, 01:16
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It's a horrible topic, but I found it quite interesting hearing each of them talking about it open and honestly. The storyline may have had its flaws in many places and seemed to have gone on for ages, but I think it's great how it's brought Linda, Shirley, Ronnie and Roxy all together. I hope this isn't the last of their scenes together. It just shows that this is all you need in a soap to make it gripping, great acting tied with clever writing. No stunts or dramatics needed.
It's actually the one thing I've always really admired about Eastenders over the other soaps.
The actual deep conversations you can get right into and genuinely don't feel like a script. Stories need time and character intervention and not just whallop & bang all the time
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Old 20-08-2016, 01:19
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I was genuinely shocked when we found out that Dean was found not guilty. I was sure that EE would play it safe and have him guilty. However I admire that they went down this route. I'm glad that the women accepted that they weren't to be blamed and I feel like the storyline has ended (I doubt Ronnie will want revenge and kill Dean).

Although I remember DTC said something like 'Dean won't go to jail but will get his comeuppance but not in the way we expect'
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Old 20-08-2016, 02:04
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DTC expected to leave earlier than he did; he never had conclusions for the 'We Need to Talk About Bobby' and Linda's Rape storylines. The only storylines he really planned was up until Live Week and then up to the summer.
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Old 20-08-2016, 02:16
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The voiceover was cringeworthy very Hollyoaks. Yet again Eastenders let their characters go unpunished for their crimes typical.
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Old 20-08-2016, 02:30
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Finally an episode to be positive about ironically. There were some lovely touches and the discussion in the kitchen was strangely uplifting in the end. They even managed some drama outside of the rape story line with Buster completely misunderstanding Shirley and ending up basically choosing Kathy.
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Old 20-08-2016, 07:49
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DTC expected to leave earlier than he did; he never had conclusions for the 'We Need to Talk About Bobby' and Linda's Rape storylines. The only storylines he really planned was up until Live Week and then up to the summer.
except this is still his work onscreen?
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Old 20-08-2016, 08:06
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The voiceover was cringeworthy very Hollyoaks. Yet again Eastenders let their characters go unpunished for their crimes typical.
What a surprise, you didn't like it.
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Old 20-08-2016, 08:42
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Although Dean didn't go to prison & won't be punished in this way it is reflecting real life that sadly most rape cases don't end in convictions. But there has still been justice for these women in the sense that Dean has nothing except a wad of cash & has been disowned by his family.

He's a pathetic little brat who's all alone whereas the women who he's hurt have each other & are surrounded by people who love & care about them.

The episode was trying to get across that no one is to blame for his actions other than him & he's got to live with that & carry that around for the rest of his life & that the women should not carry around any guilty or shame.

I think EE was brilliant last night & had a very powerful &liberating message. I hope it helped many women who've been raped to let go of any guilt or shame they've been feeling.

Yes it was controversial & I get people saying it could put women off reporting rape because they'll think what's the point I won't be believed & he won't go to prison but EE has highlighted this harsh reality & that it needs to change but they're also saying that every cloud has a silver lining. Yes he's got off but he's alone & no one gives 2 flying you know what's about him!

But the women have a good support network around them & they are strong & they are getting through it. Again this is a powerful, liberating message for women. Its telling women you are strong & don't let it break you. They were in the wrong, not you, you didn't do anything to make them do this, it was all them. The women in the episode, Shirley, Linda, Roxy, Ronnie & Kathy all kept saying stuff like this because they want women to believe its true because it is. But they also wanted to be realistic with Ronnie, Kathy & Linda - all survivors of rape - saying that it takes time, you're never the same again but you can be happy again.
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Old 20-08-2016, 09:01
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Although Dean didn't go to prison & won't be punished in this way it is reflecting real life that sadly most rape cases don't end in convictions. But there has still been justice for these women in the sense that Dean has nothing except a wad of cash & has been disowned by his family.

He's a pathetic little brat who's all alone whereas the women who he's hurt have each other & are surrounded by people who love & care about them.

The episode was trying to get across that no one is to blame for his actions other than him & he's got to live with that & carry that around for the rest of his life & that the women should not carry around any guilty or shame.

I think EE was brilliant last night & had a very powerful &liberating message. I hope it helped many women who've been raped to let go of any guilt or shame they've been feeling.

Yes it was controversial & I get people saying it could put women off reporting rape because they'll think what's the point I won't be believed & he won't go to prison but EE has highlighted this harsh reality & that it needs to change but they're also saying that every cloud has a silver lining. Yes he's got off but he's alone & no one gives 2 flying you know what's about him!

But the women have a good support network around them & they are strong & they are getting through it. Again this is a powerful, liberating message for women. Its telling women you are strong & don't let it break you. They were in the wrong, not you, you didn't do anything to make them do this, it was all them. The women in the episode, Shirley, Linda, Roxy, Ronnie & Kathy all kept saying stuff like this because they want women to believe its true because it is. But they also wanted to be realistic with Ronnie, Kathy & Linda - all survivors of rape - saying that it takes time, you're never the same again but you can be happy again.
Felt like an episode of porridge
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Old 20-08-2016, 11:01
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I know it's his work, but he never really planned this far ahead. He expected someone else to find a conclusion to the stories and was then stuck with having to write himself out of the mess he would have left another EP.
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Old 20-08-2016, 12:49
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I know it's his work, but he never really planned this far ahead. He expected someone else to find a conclusion to the stories and was then stuck with having to write himself out of the mess he would have left another EP.
Someone else alluded to this in the thread earlier and I was just wondering how you know I'm definitely out of the loop of being privy to such information
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Old 20-08-2016, 13:03
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one question: was Dean charged (only) with the attempted rape of Roxy ? or with the rape of Linda as well?
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Old 20-08-2016, 13:07
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I didn't get it, as one minute we saw Roxy not answering her phone to hear the verdict, then the next, they're all upset as he got off.
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Old 20-08-2016, 14:00
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I didn't get it, as one minute we saw Roxy not answering her phone to hear the verdict, then the next, they're all upset as he got off.
Buster went to Court and came back with the verdict. I thought the whole thing was played perfectly. Aside from the fact that we were spared Matt Di Angelo's "acting" in trial scenes, instead focusing on the very strong female cast involved in the storyline, it had a lot more impact to look at the victims and their families. The eventual verdict was maybe a surprise but probably more reflective of what happens than Dean being found Guilty. Given the evidence against him, I'm not sure how the verdict was reached but I guess what is important is looking at how the characters move on. We've already seen Linda's strength - next move for Roxy (and Ronnie). Part of the exit storyline perhaps?
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Old 20-08-2016, 14:11
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I liked Ronnie's outburst from talking about Dean she suddenly shifted to her own Father and her brutal experience. Shirley & Linda both calmed down & were humbled immediately as soon the realisation hit them that she was raped by her own Father of all people.
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Old 20-08-2016, 14:25
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I liked Ronnie's outburst from talking about Dean she suddenly shifted to her own Father and her brutal experience. Shirley & Linda both calmed down & were humbled immediately as soon the realisation hit them that she was raped by her own Father of all people.
Actually that nearly felt a bit like one upmanship in the world of rape. At one point Roxy made out her rape almost wasn't as bad as Linda's because he was her boyfriend and then Ronnie came steaming in with my dad raped me which shut them all up. Poor Shirley only had to offer that her son was a rapist Sorry, sorry just a bit of light relief but it did amuse me for a moment.
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Old 20-08-2016, 15:57
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Someone else alluded to this in the thread earlier and I was just wondering how you know I'm definitely out of the loop of being privy to such information
He mentioned in an interview that he was planning to leave in the summer but it was Barbara Windsor who persuaded him to stay on to write her exit storyline
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Old 20-08-2016, 22:04
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I thought it was a good episode
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Old 20-08-2016, 22:11
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one question: was Dean charged (only) with the attempted rape of Roxy ? or with the rape of Linda as well?
just the attempted rape
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Old 20-08-2016, 23:22
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He mentioned in an interview that he was planning to leave in the summer but it was Barbara Windsor who persuaded him to stay on to write her exit storyline
Ah I see. Thank you
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