Totally this. The line is so blurred now that they're virtually the same show. And I think we can firmly lay the blame at the excessive amount of professional reality tv people who make up the cast of CBB these days.
They're not celebs in any meaningful way the word can be used. They're Joe and Joanne Average who have got lucky because they fit into a stereotype that the tv execs want in order to make cheap, lazy, pointless tv to fill the low rent cable channels that pollute our screens these days.

CBB always had a wider audience base. My mum used to watch sometimes and she's in her 70's. Nowadays, being over 25 is probably too old to watch this contrived crap

Cor...on the plus side, they may have run out of pocket money and won't have any left for finals night.

That's what I thought earlier and am still hopeful.
He has had to bailed a few times already

Can't disagree with any of this.

I would hate to be one of the housemates with this attention seeker ruining everything for the others. Why the hell doesn't Big Brother intervene and punish him properly. He is clearly unstable and needs a proper punishment for his anti social behaviour.

It's all the same to me!

I love a HM like Lewis.

The fault obviously lies with the producers.

But I think we should be asking why any decent celebs don't want to do CBB. They get better people on IACGMOOH and celebs are positively queuing up to do Strictly.

And I don't think it's a money thing - it's down to the nature of the programme and the fact that the programme is guaranteed to make you look like a pratt if at all possible.

Added to this the fact that you are now going to be sharing a house with the lowest form of celebrity, and the behaviour that is expected of them in their day job - I can see why any normal celeb would find this a grim challenge and beneath most of them.

Exactly . And the face on her when her son called Bore an ass hole .
Not a happy bunny , and almost ran to the kitchen to apologise to baby Bore . She is so enamoured/fearful of him and I can't work out why . It's not like he's a Kray descendant and she fears a cross Atlantic feud and taking to the mattresses over her dubious honour . He's a weak little boy who mends roofs and trouble raises . Big deal .
Renee is a massive disappointment and if I'm honest her stint in there has put me right off ever watching Mob Wives when it crops up . I'll be looking at her puffing her chest out and threatening people and all I'll see is her simpering over the Bore and stroking his thighs as she spoon feeds him cheap pasta .
No wonder her papa fell out with her , she's a very weak person hiding behind a myth .

Your pathetic what? Oh you mean you're pathetic

Can't disagree with any of that.

IAC is on primetime ITV and gets audiences of 7/8/9 million. That's a hell of a lot of exposure for someone wanting a career boost when compared to being on a channel with a reputation for being rather low rent being watched by a million or 2 maximum.

I also think your last paragraph is spot on. In something like IAC or SCD, there but be one or two scripted reality types and they tend to be the ones who want to escape that bubble and get more mainstream work. Its more of a mix of older celebs, new up and coming ones, reality tv types, pop stars from the nostalgia circuit and soap stars.
There is also less meddling, less manipulation, less deliberately engineered confrontation - the whole thing with IAC seems that relationships are more organic and real.
CBB is now seen is being so faked and set up that it might as well be called The Only Way Is Borehamwood.

I think you're right about CBB being the show that has become less popular, and not just for the celebs. Many more of us view IAC and Strictly ....that may be a consideration too.

He's caused total disruption, something psychologically wrong there

Someone needs to take him out the back and give him a good talking to, preferably that security guard who told him to sit in the diary room.

BiB this series should no longer be named CBB : preferred title :
Bear: The Boy who put Bore in Borehamwood

No one has had a chance to shine . It's all been the two fake romances plus the Bores playing up to camera . Even now , with the two fake romances broken up we are left with just Bore endlessly pretending to be reformed and "loving the peace" then going cuckoo again and causing chaos . The others may as well not be there because they are bit players in the Bore fest being shoved down our gullets every night .

What a surprise, Bear acting up for the GBP masses who find his crap "entertaining".... Well, l hope the Bear lovers enjoy the so-called humorous idiot, as they believe without him CBB would be too boring to watch. I for one am splitting my sides - not!

Sounds about right!

Bear is many things but hes not boring

People say if Bear wasn't in the show would be boring well surely his childish behaviour that is so repetitive is just as boring. Considering he is 26 his anticts wouldn't be tolerated in nursery let alone in a house full of adults

Yes he is though . To those of us who've endured toddlers' tantrums and teen strops and lived to tell the tale he is viewed similarly and these things being repeated on a loop cease to be of any interest or in any way novel . It just becomes boring .
I'm not watching tonight , not in any sort of protest (nobody would give a crap after all ) , but because I really can't be bothered when I know the menu .
They'll wake up happy and chat etc while preparing for the day .
They'll get a task and get excited and gung ho .
Bore will spoil the task .
Renee will get on her soap box about Bore spoiling the task .
BB will give them drink, Bore will steal some as usual and no one will pull him up for it even though they know he's doing it .
Then they'll sit around bitching about Bore and being wimps because they'll be aware that he has once more forced the highlights to be about him .
Nah , you can keep it .

I'm never awake to watch the LF, I wish I recorded it.

Exactly, there's 9 other people in there, I'm sure everyone who wasn't sleeping would've been more interesting.


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I agree, Lewis's motivational speech to Katie was priceless, He morphed into David Brent & Stephen Goode, hilarious & entertaining, I'd forgotten about that side of him

I'm not their biggest fans, but Katie has grown on me as has Renee but I would've like to hear more from them.

Not necessarily, not when production are focusing on showing Bear for the majority of the 45 mins the public see.

Not sure why you had to bring "Bear detractors" in to it

I see what you mean re Lewis, in small doses, he's good to laugh at but Bear's not for me.

Now I was with you to the BIB but can't see the point of talking. Something that had him genuinely pooing his pants and then having to hobble all the way home in them would be preferable.

He's copying that other moron Marc, showing off.

Dare I say you are easily pleased.


We don't know if any of the others are funny or witty, we only know how they react to Bear.

Lewis is unintentionally funny, like pointing and laughing at the fool.

Bear is boring, a one trick pony who's trick is well past it's mild shock by date.

Really? You don't find the 'spoil the task, wind up someone' rinse repeat boring?

It's like watching the same circus clown throwing fake water at the audience every night for four weeks.

Still each to their own, if you enjoy it, that's you business.