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Old 06-09-2016, 02:51
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What then if everyone takes this selfish action and every flippin' boundry wall and fence in the country has solid plastic spikes ? Good news for Vets and Doctors treating punctures wounds on cats' and kids' feet.

Like I said above, we now have spike, metal brackets and studs all over our building and walls to stop homeless people, skateboarding harmless kids and now cats, hardly a big threat ?
And whose fault would that be? The people who got so fed up they felt they had no other choice than to put plastic spikes on their walls and fences or the inconsiderate owners who just let their cats out to wander wherever they like?

At least it's only plastic spikes, a lot of keen gardeners and birdwatchers wouldn't hesitate to find a far more permanent way of keeping out nuisance cats.
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:38
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or the inconsiderate owners who just let their cats out to wander wherever they like?
So you're suggesting they should be taken out for walks on leads?
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:26
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So you're suggesting they should be taken out for walks on leads?
No of course not, but owners should have to do what everyone else with pets have to do, build a run or enclosure in their garden to keep them on their own property. If they don't want to do that or don't have the space, don't get a cat, same as someone with no room wouldn't get a dog. To expect to get an animal then kick it out for others to deal with is inconsiderate and selfish, you wanted it you look after it or don't complain when someone takes matters into their own hands because you won't.
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:32
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Like these?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fence-Wall-.../dp/B0046ZFBQI

I didn't know they did them, I'll be ordering some when I swap out some fence panels next spring.

Thanks
They look like a great idea, we have been plagued by cats coming in and pooing all over the place, even on our garden chairs and back door mat, might give these a go, although these days the dog chases most of them off, but at night its like poo city out there, filthy little gets.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:26
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No of course not, but owners should have to do what everyone else with pets have to do, build a run or enclosure in their garden to keep them on their own property. If they don't want to do that or don't have the space, don't get a cat, same as someone with no room wouldn't get a dog. To expect to get an animal then kick it out for others to deal with is inconsiderate and selfish, you wanted it you look after it or don't complain when someone takes matters into their own hands because you won't.
This post shows just how clueless non-pet owners are. Cats are mountain climbing, acrobatic, escape artists. My cat, in two leaps, gets on top of a seven foot high bookshelf in our house every evening to take up his favourite position to watch the world.

Cats will always find a way to wander wherever they wish, and these plastic spikes seem like a fun obstacle course to some cats. Just pick up the poop and stop moaning.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:56
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This post shows just how clueless non-pet owners are. Cats are mountain climbing, acrobatic, escape artists. My cat, in two leaps, gets on top of a seven foot high bookshelf in our house every evening to take up his favourite position to watch the world.

Cats will always find a way to wander wherever they wish, and these plastic spikes seem like a fun obstacle course to some cats. Just pick up the poop and stop moaning.
No just shows you are uninterested in keeping your cats in, I have my garden fenced as do many of my friends to keep our cats in, I also take mine out for walks on their harness in our estate they also come out in the car on their harness too.

If you want your cats to roam that is fine, they still have that right at present but you cannot say that they cant be kept in as they can you just have to want to.

Why should I have to pick up some other cats poop before I can allow my kids to play in the garden, mow the lawn, do some gardening. They are not my responsibility.
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Old 07-09-2016, 10:56
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How high are your fences and how fat are your cats ? My tom cat would handily climb over anything eight feet or less and if I tried to put a harness on him, he would probably scratch me to ribbons.

I have never in my life seen anyone walk a cat with any real success.
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Old 07-09-2016, 11:09
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How high are your fences and how fat are your cats ? My tom cat would handily climb over anything eight feet or less and if I tried to put a harness on him, he would probably scratch me to ribbons.

I have never in my life seen anyone walk a cat with any real success.
We recently rehomed a cat and for the first 4 weeks we wouldn't allow the cat out and instead put a harness and walked the cat round the garden and the local streets to get him familiarised to the area before we allowed him to roam on his own.

It can be done, not all cats are the same.
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Old 07-09-2016, 13:03
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This post shows just how clueless non-pet owners are. Cats are mountain climbing, acrobatic, escape artists. My cat, in two leaps, gets on top of a seven foot high bookshelf in our house every evening to take up his favourite position to watch the world.

Cats will always find a way to wander wherever they wish, and these plastic spikes seem like a fun obstacle course to some cats. Just pick up the poop and stop moaning.
we have had to use the spikes at my elderly parents house as the local cats decided their garden was the local toilet for several cats. They work and they don't harm the cats.

I'm happy to remove them if you wish to go round and clean their garden every day.
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Old 07-09-2016, 14:52
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How high are your fences and how fat are your cats ? My tom cat would handily climb over anything eight feet or less and if I tried to put a harness on him, he would probably scratch me to ribbons.

I have never in my life seen anyone walk a cat with any real success.
Its not about the height per se more the angle at the top and curving the wiring around so cats cant swing their way out.

Most cats can easily climb eight feet, one I know can climb concrete like it with a run up, but she still remains in her garden.

Cats will accept most things if done often enough especially if you have them from kittens, like people saying they cant get their cats into carriers, you can train them with treats like dogs to even get in the carrier themselves. Its all about effort and most people with outdoor cats don't make as much effort with cats as they do dogs. Several of my friends cats retrieve and play fetch too.

I walk my cat easily enough we do get the odd moment where he wants to go somewhere and I say no and he will growl at me when I pick him up and move him in the other direction but the temper tantrum is soon over and he continues.

Mines a bit like this one but more curved under

http://www.localtraders.com/tradesme...r-garden-1242/
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Old 07-09-2016, 16:14
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Its not about the height per se more the angle at the top and curving the wiring around so cats cant swing their way out.

Most cats can easily climb eight feet, one I know can climb concrete like it with a run up, but she still remains in her garden.

Cats will accept most things if done often enough especially if you have them from kittens, like people saying they cant get their cats into carriers, you can train them with treats like dogs to even get in the carrier themselves. Its all about effort and most people with outdoor cats don't make as much effort with cats as they do dogs. Several of my friends cats retrieve and play fetch too.

I walk my cat easily enough we do get the odd moment where he wants to go somewhere and I say no and he will growl at me when I pick him up and move him in the other direction but the temper tantrum is soon over and he continues.

Mines a bit like this one but more curved under

http://www.localtraders.com/tradesme...r-garden-1242/
BIB - this!

I watched a programme about a cat guy called Galaxy Jackson (google him!! he is epic) and he is - for want of a better word - a cat whisper!

He is called in by owners at the end of their tethers by their our rogue cats and he tames them (tame is the wrong word but you know what I mean - makes them nice kittys!)

anyway - one particular couple had a problem with their cat that it was going into the neighbours garden and the neighbour wasnt happy about it (it had other behavioral issues too) but anyway Galaxy arrived and immediately instructed these cat owners to put a ramp/structure/fencing/chicken wire or something at the top of their fence BUT tilted inwards at a 45 degree angle - apparently cats wont jump up and get a hold on anything that is at a 45 degree angle so they did this, cannot remember what they used - cat stayed in garden and didnt bother the neighbour any longer
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Old 07-09-2016, 19:07
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BIB - this!

I watched a programme about a cat guy called Galaxy Jackson (google him!! he is epic) and he is - for want of a better word - a cat whisper!

He is called in by owners at the end of their tethers by their our rogue cats and he tames them (tame is the wrong word but you know what I mean - makes them nice kittys!)

anyway - one particular couple had a problem with their cat that it was going into the neighbours garden and the neighbour wasnt happy about it (it had other behavioral issues too) but anyway Galaxy arrived and immediately instructed these cat owners to put a ramp/structure/fencing/chicken wire or something at the top of their fence BUT tilted inwards at a 45 degree angle - apparently cats wont jump up and get a hold on anything that is at a 45 degree angle so they did this, cannot remember what they used - cat stayed in garden and didnt bother the neighbour any longer
I haven't really watched his show but I do know they encourage cat proofing and non roaming cats in a lot of the animal shows I have caught from the US
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Old 08-09-2016, 14:42
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I haven't really watched his show but I do know they encourage cat proofing and non roaming cats in a lot of the animal shows I have caught from the US
I only caught it because I was channel surfing and stumbled across it - its very interesting actually and every cat he was called in to help - he managed to help - he is one amazing guy and is really in tune with cats
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Old 08-09-2016, 14:56
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I only caught it because I was channel surfing and stumbled across it - its very interesting actually and every cat he was called in to help - he managed to help - he is one amazing guy and is really in tune with cats
Oh I just happened to see this thread - My cat from Hell - fantastic programme and LOVE Jackson and his wonderful way with cats. I suppose he was a cat behaviour therapist really. Even with the most aggressive and difficult cats - he'd immediately recognise that it might only take a small change to help, re-configuring a room slightly for example. They almost appeared to go into a trance just looking at him! Things like indoor cats loving to be able to get up high and see out, as their bad behaviour was often down to frustration.
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Old 08-09-2016, 17:44
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The outdoor cat isnt so common in the US as coyotes and other wildlife like snacking on them. In some zones you can't own one full stop. It's also illegal to keep pet rabbits in many parts of Australia.

Here in north London there is a massive issue of cats being badly maimed or killed by urban foxes so it definitely makes sense to keep them indoors or catproof the garden.
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Old 09-09-2016, 14:02
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The outdoor cat isnt so common in the US as coyotes and other wildlife like snacking on them. In some zones you can't own one full stop. It's also illegal to keep pet rabbits in many parts of Australia.

Here in north London there is a massive issue of cats being badly maimed or killed by urban foxes so it definitely makes sense to keep them indoors or catproof the garden.
Any really caring owner would take notice of dangers IMO I feel quite guilty at how we let our run free when we had cats.
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Old 10-09-2016, 04:10
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Any really caring owner would take notice of dangers IMO I feel quite guilty at how we let our run free when we had cats.
Ok, this is a very interesting post, urban foxes do seem to be a slight threat to frail, elderly cats or kittens and juvenile cats under a year old.

But if you look carefully online for data, there is no evidence of a higher mortality rate for urban cats who live alongside dense urban fox populations. Clearly in America and Australia, there are all manner of wildlife predator threats that don't exist in Europe.

Anecdote, my big tom cat has encountered foxes in our garden several times in the evenings, they pass each other warily, he is a big cat and very agile and the evidence suggests that streetwise cats and foxes encounter each other regularly at night and almost always ignore each other.

Foxes are essentially scavengers or predate on prey that does not fight back.
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Old 14-09-2016, 00:55
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I love cats, I've got one of my own but these spikes are awful, it's 3 rows of solid plastic spikes which must hurt - google anti-cat spikes and you will see what I mean. The dark nights are coming so as there's some greenery over the fence many cats are not going to see them until it's too late.:
They're not actually dangerous they're simply a deterrent, they wouldn't be openly on sale if they were. Cats aren't daft and they're nimble enough to find a way around them anyway, I'd stop stressing out about it honestly.

There are far worse things that can happen someones poor cat died a horrible death from poisoning probably deliberate but impossible to prove.
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Old 16-09-2016, 14:32
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They look like a great idea, we have been plagued by cats coming in and pooing all over the place, even on our garden chairs and back door mat, might give these a go, although these days the dog chases most of them off, but at night its like poo city out there, filthy little gets.
That sounds like foxes rather than cats. They poo all over the place. Cats bury theirs so I doubt they'd do it on a chair.
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:25
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The usual distinction is which side of the fences are the supports. Most fences have a front side and a backside. If front side points to you (as you would have the nice looking side pointing inwards0, then it is almost certainly your fence.

Take a photo and post link to an image eg on www.imgur.com.

In the end cats will find a way round the issue.
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Old 19-09-2016, 12:52
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Once again DS cat owners show their...unhinged side.
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Old 25-09-2016, 11:20
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Once again DS cat owners show their...unhinged side.
While once again some non cat owners are demonstrating their slippery slope to eventually becoming ball and shuttlecock keepers, no ball game signage campaigners, before the inevitable tray of antifreeze as their last chance of power and feeling good about themselves.
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Old 25-09-2016, 11:23
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That sounds like foxes rather than cats. They poo all over the place. Cats bury theirs so I doubt they'd do it on a chair.
Nope its cats, I caught one doing it on our front door mat,we have no foxes round here, no evidence of them at all, and we were plagued with cats from the neighbour who had getting on for a dozen at the time, I also saw them do it on the grass and in the middle of plants, filthy creatures.
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Old 25-09-2016, 11:24
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So you're suggesting they should be taken out for walks on leads?
A great option is a cat aviary, my friend has one, there is a tunnel from the cat flap to the aviary, and it is full of fun things for the cats to amuse themselves, great idea and makes you a responsible owner.
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Old 25-09-2016, 11:56
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That sounds like foxes rather than cats. They poo all over the place. Cats bury theirs so I doubt they'd do it on a chair.
I once watched while one climbed up to my window box to squat and my neighbour (maybe the same cat?) had her belfast sink planter fouled repeatedly.
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