Minor piece of news? It's referring to judges house guests which is also a big part of the series and should bring discussion but it turns into a bash Fleur thread ! Why don't you talk about Alesha?

They probably put Fleur there for promotional purposes but also because she's done the process - Alexandra/little mix/joe haven't done six chair challenge - the show has changed since their wins, they probably wanted someone current and Louisa is far to young and Fleur has been working in the industry a long time. I don't think it boils down to how many singles and albums she's had bearing in mind she's been out for just 8 months, it can take a couple of years to get the success it's a gradual process - as she says it doesn't happen over night it's all hard work and the backing of a label, which she has now - whether that keeps up for the next year or two remains to be seen.

I would have preferred her to not be doing it so soon but itl be good to see her back on the XF offering some advice and she's very humble and sweet so Itl be good - she might surprise some of you.

Glad you know me so well, such a compliment you take the time to notice. You're rather a sweet individual.

Could not agree more. Without the laughs and camaraderie that these forums provide, I doubt I would bother still watching now. Its like a group therapy session at times helping each other through when things get really shocking - Bupsi for example.

I have no problem with people who genuinely watch to see new talent and root for an individual performer. It would be nice to get the same respect back for those of us who watch for other reasons

It's a bit part promo appearance on one show out of the whole series. It's minor news. Why you seem to want to colonise the forums with Fleur threads where other people aren't allowed to express less that effusive opinions about Fleur I don't know.

I talked about Alesha too. She's slightly more qualified than Fleur, which I covered in my post, but I'm repeating it here for convenience. What else is there to discuss other than their validity (or lack of) to be judging others? Because that's what we're doing, you just don't seem to like the fact.

[/quote]They probably put Fleur there for promotional purposes but also because she's done the process - Alexandra/little mix/joe haven't done six chair challenge - the show has changed since their wins, they probably wanted someone current and Louisa is far to young and Fleur has been working in the industry a long time. I don't think it boils down to how many singles and albums she's had bearing in mind she's been out for just 8 months, it can take a couple of years to get the success it's a gradual process - as she says it doesn't happen over night it's all hard work and the backing of a label, which she has now - whether that keeps up for the next year or two remains to be seen.

I would have preferred her to not be doing it so soon but itl be good to see her back on the XF offering some advice and she's very humble and sweet so Itl be good - she might surprise some of you.[/quote]

You say 'back on the XF' as she's ever been off!


Me neither. I find it endearing in some instances (though I'm aware that word gives off patronising overtones - I don't mean it to). What I'm not keen on is this idea that some are pushing that we shouldn't be allowed to express out opinions. What's next? Any time Fleur gets mentioned in a thread a certain number of us are automatically barred from contributing because we're not considered 'sufficiently positive'? I mean, c'mon!

They probably put Fleur there for promotional purposes but also because she's done the process - Alexandra/little mix/joe haven't done six chair challenge - the show has changed since their wins, they probably wanted someone current and Louisa is far to young and Fleur has been working in the industry a long time. I don't think it boils down to how many singles and albums she's had bearing in mind she's been out for just 8 months, it can take a couple of years to get the success it's a gradual process - as she says it doesn't happen over night it's all hard work and the backing of a label, which she has now - whether that keeps up for the next year or two remains to be seen.

I would have preferred her to not be doing it so soon but itl be good to see her back on the XF offering some advice and she's very humble and sweet so Itl be good - she might surprise some of you.[/quote]

You say 'back on the XF' as she's ever been off!



Me neither. I find it endearing in some instances (though I'm aware that word gives off patronising overtones - I don't mean it to). What I'm not keen on is this idea that some are pushing that we shouldn't be allowed to express out opinions. What's next? Any time Fleur gets mentioned in a thread a certain number of us are automatically barred from contributing because we're not considered 'sufficiently positive'? I mean, c'mon![/quote]

All I can say if you have a major problem about commenting about Fleur on her discussion thread then you need to take it up with the Admin. It has nothing to do with any of us that support Fleur as it was a decision taking by the moderators who were fed up with people who have no interest in Fleur or her music coming onto the tread just to have a pop at her. It is as simple as that.

Exactly, it's a light entertainment programme that people generally take with a pinch of salt - just something you might have on if you're not going out. Some take it way too seriously and don't like others having an opinion. What's the point of a discussion forum if you can't discuss? Not all of us just nod and agree like sheep.

We've given our opinion as to what we think of Aleysha and Fleur helping at judges houses, but that's not good enough - maybe because there's nothing going on in the Fleur 'discussion' thread, they have to come over to this one to cause another argument. Personally I don't get the venom and aggressive posts by the Fleur fanboys?

Takes all sorts I suppose.

This thread really is how X Factor winners (and also-rans) become relevant or gain a following in a nutshell; by them being hammered at you on TV week in, week out, and promoted to high heaven the year after too, a cult of personality develops around certain people, and certain elements of the show itself. I don't understand it and I can't change it, that's those people's choice to enjoy it that way, but it's not my personal style or what I get out of XF.

I'm looking forward to the coming series for more threads like this - especially when we have new faces to discuss and analyse into!

For the record, I don't think any of the posters on this thread are expressing an opinion only held by one individual - we seem quite clearly to be in two camps, with two perspectives on the issue and the people involved, which leads me to think trying to dismiss certain posters' views offhand as being their own personalised mania is a little badly judged.

Just for equal opportunities sake, I'll critique Alesha as well. She had a few top 10 singles 15 years ago before her girl group was dropped from the label. She won a celebrity dancing competition. She has two solo British top 5 singles - from 8 years ago, a further 4 top 15 singles, and one top 20 album. She herself is hardly at the peak of British pop royalty that the show will no doubt make her out to be. But even she is far and away more experienced than Ms Fleur.

I personally can't wait to see how the show announces them as they enter together.

See I'm not sure what the problem is, a quick read through of this thread and I've not stopped smiling

That's why we are ALL allowed an opinion and can disagree with anyone we like

PS Hi to all fellow XFactor fans of old who just want the show to go back to being about talent and those who see it what it has become (talking about the woe on here actually helps )

PPS I do find it strange that the Fleur discussion thread is allowed to stay on the main board along the likes of Little mix discussion board (considering they are mega stars compared to the one hit wonder Fleur) Hmmmmm

If you have a problem with the Fleur discussion thread being on this part of the forum why don't you take it up with the Admin. Simple really. And Fleur will have plenty of more hits to come.

Little mix have had 5 years to become stars Fleur has had 8 months, You cant compare the two of them so why bother trying, just because you hate the girl.

Oh I do love a bit of irony, I remember the days people used to call little mix crap and branded them 'little fix' and how they will be one hit wonders, guess they proved the majority of people on here wrong, and went on to do really well, in this case you just dont know what is around the corner, Yes Fleur has had one hit, a massive hit, for a debut artist - she did better than I expected her to do, now she has to follow up with something else, which is happening in a couple months.

I don't think there is anything wrong with having previous contestants help at judges' houses, but it's quite a step down to go from having the likes of Jennifer Hudson and Mary J. Blige to Fleur (and I like Fleur for the record). Not because there's anything wrong with Fleur, but she because she's not even a year into her record contract. Even Alesha Dixon is a dubious choice considering she hasn't had a hit single for a very long time.

This is off topic but Fleur is doing just okay. She had a successful single and moderately successful album in the UK, both of which failed to chart or charted very low in all the other major music markets. Her follow up single to Sax did flop and so for the time being she is a one hit wonder.

I

doubt if they can afford the likes of MJB and Jennifer Hudson anymore. They were argueably the two best judges that have been on there.

Yeah it is a step down but then XF is struggling so they probably won't want to spend massive money for likes of Hudson and Blige

Jennifer Hudson is probably the best person they could bring in to JH (and would make a brilliant judge but think she's way out of their league) as she's been in their shoes, didn't make the final but went on to have an absolutely fantastic career.

But I suppose why waste good money on bringing in real artists to assist the judges when the decisions have already bee made and they're just playing along with the pretence that anyone other than Cowell and the producers have any say in the decision process.

Might as well go bargain basement and have ex Westlife members, those already on Cowells payroll, their mates wanting their face on tv and acts who couldn't buy a hit this decade.

To be honest, I doubt very much it's to do with how much money XF has to spend. It's much more likely that those stars did it because once upon a time XF was excellent exposure for them - that would be the pay off, not the cash, if any, in hand.

Nowadays of course being on the XF doesn't do them nearly so much of a favour. Not only are ratings down but it's a bit of a poisoned association in many respects. Maybe someone biggish would do it next to Simon. Maybe Nicole has a starry mate who will step in. But Louis? No-one takes Louis seriously. The show itself doesn't take Louis seriously. There's a reason why Louis' partners for the judges houses have always been low-rent or a random member of Westlife, and it's nothing to do with how much money XF has,

Nicole is rumoured to have Calvin Harris and Sharon - Robbie Willian's, no word of Simons